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I've read that blacks have the worst results/are the least desirable in the dating market, at least in the US. Black women rank last, but black men don't fare much better.

The online dating data pretty much lines up with what I've seen in social circles and nightlife: blacks have the worst dating results of all the races.
Depends on if they are alpha or beta.

the alpha black guys get tons of hot women. Just look at NFL players like RG3.

as for height, if you have money it can compensate for lack of height. It can also compensate for being fat.
 

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Blacks (men and women both) enjoy the lowest response rates in online dating, which is consistent with dating patterns I've seen IRL.

https://qz.com/149342/the-uncomfortable-racial-preferences-revealed-by-online-dating/


Lol who gives af what some chart says. Ask any women what they want and they will say they want some nice guy, yet they get moist when surrounded by bad boys. Like it or not urban black dudes represent a subset of "bad boys" , hell even urkel's(black male intellectuals) are "bad boys " as they go against the status quo and are black. That being said the number of women phucking black guys is much higher than you can imagine, it's just taboo and must women are not going to honestly or openly express that they are interested or have had sex with a black man. An app is vastly different than day to day approach, 4/10 white guy loses every time to a 7/10 black guy with a mouth piece argue all you want. Theres an underworld you can't fathom, but of course women are honest.
 

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I'm at the Gym to get leaner and ripped. Women have unusual taste, what is so attractive about a bulky meathead who has no mobility in his body. Like ripped shredded look all day
Male strippers are between a larger NFL defensive back or NBA point guard body size and body fat level. They stay at this size, because it nets them the most money.

A former built dad light gut on formerly nice body is not bad for them either, but if you want to cover your bases, I gave you the formula.
 

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Also, women lie on OLD too. Most 5-7 and up don't seem that. They fudge their heights up too btw just like the weight.
In my experience, women lie by downplaying their height if they're tall, except for the ones that love being tall. But most who are 5'7 actually write 5'6 or 5'5. I once dated a Russian girl who said that she didn't think I'd like her because she was 5'11 and felt "lanky" and "awkward." And her hands were shaking when she made a move to touch me.

As for previous posters who mentioned that guys should lie to compensate for height, I do the opposite. I round down. I find that women HATE to discover that you're not the height listed because they complain about that to me about other dates. And their first reaction to me when they meet me is, "wow you are way taller than I thought." Yeah because I didn't lie. You have to keep in mind that listing your REAL height also helps weed out the ones that care too much about height.

Height, just like all other attributes, matter to an extent. But unless you're on either end of the spectrum of extremes, you should not direct your focus on these things. I'm speaking as a guy who cared too much about race and height and used that as an excuse for every failure. And when I changed my outlook, I pulled all different kinds of women. So are you saying that women as a whole all "changed their minds" about race and height? No, it was my outlook that changed. And as a result, I took responsibility for my failures while continuing to improve myself and making myself more attractive to women. Not every woman will like us, but we don't need them all to, we just need the right ones.
 

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Recently, I've had a few women compliment me on my jawline. I'm like, "What? My jawline?" I've had this pop up in some OLD and IRL conversations. I'm 5'8, so maybe the jawline thing is buying me a few extra inches of height, haha. Not sure why this is a turn-on for them. Something in their girly DNA, I guess.

A HUGE advantage I have over other men is I have excellent communication and conversation skills. Let's face it, most men are real drips and boring as f*uck. And it's getting worse. Young "men" have almost completely lost the ability to engage in and hold a decent conversation due to over-use of technology and overall lack of passion for anything, so I've witnessed anyway.

Communication and conversation skills are something I've always had to some degree but honed to a superior level over the decades. Truth be told, I do a lot of public and "motivational" speaking, but on dates I have the uncanny ability to keep a conversation going even with the shyest of wall-flowers. I literally have it down to a science. I tell good stories, ask questions, show interest, use humor, make sure she has fun, challenge her a bit, tease her a bit--and it all adds up to a very high lay count, if that's what I'm after. This is something EVERYONE can affect on their own behalf.

I'll admit that I do have some physical advantages; some genetic and some due to very hard work in the gym and outdoor activity. BUT I'm convinced it's the personality/charisma/and aforementioned communication/conversation skills that get me laid a lot (often with women much younger than me).

Not trying to brag here, just saying lack of height (me) and being over 45 can be overcome by accentuating other positive attributes.

Jaw is Law. Good jaw and good eyes saved me from being an incel.
 
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Let's face it black guys thirst more irl and win the numbers game, that's the reason

The woman walking through NYC that went viral springs to mind

The only time whites approach that extensively is incels on PUA training camps
Yea some do, but there are guys of every race who spam approach. I personally don't do that, I like to see a signal first. I can't get with all the black guys this, black guys that talk because we're not all the same lol. Just like someone earlier said black men don't do good with latinas, well I do. I can't speak for the entire race though, all of us don't look the same. A woman might think I'm sexy af and think the next black guy is hideous, and vice versa
 

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Just like someone earlier said black men don't do good with latinas, well I do. I can't speak for the entire race though, all of us don't look the same.
That's funny because I'm in NY and from what I've seen, most black men clean up with Latinas. It's so common for me to see couples that are black man + Latina.
 

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That's funny because I'm in NY and from what I've seen, most black men clean up with Latinas. It's so common for me to see couples that are black man + Latina.
Same here in Cali... I think people confuse that though and think those women just love ANY black guy, but they usually have a type or look they go for, just because we don't see it doesn't mean they don't. I see latinas looking at me all the time, but I have a friend who's black that feels like he NEVER sees them checking him out. It's case by case depending on how you look
 

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The Meetup events in this area when I looked online and the meetup members profiles who attend them, well most of them looked like men and ladies who are at least 60 years of age. Even I won't touch 60 year olds man. Wouldn't that look bad dancing with a bunch of 65 year old hags at a meetup event?

Is there a website like meetup that caters to 18 to 23 year olds like this?
Not sure dude. You say you live around really old people. I'm in Bridgeport, 160,000 people, near Stamford, 140,000 people, and Norwalk, 89,000 people. 45 minute train ride and I'm in NYC with 9,000,000 people. You need to move, but you refuse. The problem isn't the location, the problem is the dude looking at you when you look into the mirror (hint - you.). I've hooked up and set dates with plenty of ladies from Meetup; all younger than me. I've posted picks in previous threads. You need to fix you, then you'll get your d ick wet.
 
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Let's face it black guys thirst more irl and win the numbers game, that's the reason

The woman walking through NYC that went viral springs to mind

The only time whites approach that extensively is incels on PUA training camps
The parallel you draw is way too accurate. And it certainly doesn't speak well to the status of either black men or most pua's.

The question is whether or not black men actually do "win" the numbers game or whether they simply develop a reputation that prrecedes them as relentlessly thirsty and therefore as potentially dangerous sexual predators (not too different from the stereotype of pua's by way of coincidence).

Lol who gives af what some chart says. Ask any women what they want and they will say they want some nice guy, yet they get moist when surrounded by bad boys. Like it or not urban black dudes represent a subset of "bad boys" , hell even urkel's(black male intellectuals) are "bad boys " as they go against the status quo and are black. That being said the number of women phucking black guys is much higher than you can imagine, it's just taboo and must women are not going to honestly or openly express that they are interested or have had sex with a black man. An app is vastly different than day to day approach, 4/10 white guy loses every time to a 7/10 black guy with a mouth piece argue all you want. Theres an underworld you can't fathom, but of course women are honest.
Wishful thinking. It's sad how they brainwash kids in college and through media these days.
 
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Im 6" barefoot 202lbs striking my ideal muscle bodyweight to height ratio, goodlooking, masculine, gym goers, great /body / azz, looks 10 years younger, i can have pretty much anyone i want.. I remain single althought i got hit by gb 7 and up from 3 different women on daily basis.. Banging a 9 anytime i want.. Spin plate is not my forte.. Love My sanity so much. I expect my girl that has value over her pretty face, cos a nine means nothing to me without value she brings in the LTR. I notice lots of average mens and incels snooping at me and copying what i do, even the way i seat, walks etc.

Improved yourself men.. Its way to go.
 
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I want to explore this race thing logically. Looking at the table below, it seems crazy to me that Blacks, Asians and Indians have the same low stats which doesn't seem consistent with what people see in real life. And I think I've figured out why:

When you ASK most women what they WANT- they are basically picturing a white guy. Someone that looks like Ryan Gosling or something. And this is what is effecting the results. It's women's warped expectations of reality at play again

In the real world, this isn't a problem. It's first come, first serve


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I want to explore this race thing logically. Looking at the table below, it seems crazy to me that Blacks, Asians and Indians have the same low stats which doesn't seem consistent with what people see in real life. And I think I've figured out why:

When you ASK most women what they WANT- they are basically picturing a white guy. Someone that looks like Ryan Gosling or something. And this is what is effecting the results. It's women's warped expectations of reality at play again

In the real world, this isn't a problem. It's first come, first serve


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Since when do females not have a warped sense of reality?
 
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When you ASK most women what they WANT- they are basically picturing a white guy. Someone that looks like Ryan Gosling or something. And this is what is effecting the results. It's women's warped expectations of reality at play again
Part of it also may be that this race dating survey data is anywhere from 5 to 15 years out of date. Cultural habits are changing so quickly you can't really rely on a survey that's more than a year or two old.

With that said, I don't see much of an uptick in blacks' dating opportunities outside their race. In cold approaches in particular, black men get shut out hard, except in the specific situations I've mentioned.

The Ryan Gosling example is a strange one: he looks like a rat: long face, little beady eyes, asymmetrical face. It's hard to envision him as an examplar of good looks.

How tf did this turn into a racepill thread...
Cola started off with a post with a claim that is misleading at best, and a baldfaced lie at worst and I merely pointed it out, which has led to defensiveness and name calling and at best, a couple of anecdotes (100% unsubstantiated) to the contrary.
 
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We got people on here who say on old keep the messages very short just a few words. Unless you're a super chad or tyrone this wont work for most men. When I write well thought out messages and point stuff out and ask questions a out what's in their profile the reply rate goes up. Even with taller women.
IRL, yes, the higher the woman's interest level, the less she wants to talk. The more she talks, the greater the chances of her "fvcking it up." Brief conversations minimize this possibility. The key for a highly attracted woman is to set up logistics and a sex/intimacy opportunity.

I find lots of European women love to chit chat: I think they enjoy sharpening their English and generally are deeper, more interesting women. They don't mind long talks. They enjoy them. American women are more practical and cut right to the chase.
 

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captainsemiobvious said:
Cola started off with a post with a claim that is misleading at best, and a baldfaced lie at worst and I merely pointed it out, which has led to defensiveness and name calling and at best, a couple of anecdotes (100% unsubstantiated) to the contrary.
What claim was that? Also, which state are you in? If you are in the northeast I’ll meet you in person and if I don’t get overwhelmingly more female attention I’ll pay fo the whole night.
 
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