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The hard truth many of you need to hear: 8 reasons you aren’t successful with women.

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4.) Your breath smells like it’s a little man in your mouth taking a poo this is the number one overlooked thing in dating. You get close to a woman and your breath smells anything other than minty fresh GAME OVER. Brush twice daily, get your tounge
Dental health has been an obsession of mine since I was 12 and had a dream that my teeth were rotten and falling out. Let me back up your tongue comment. In addition to brushing, use your brush and scrape your tongue; go back as far as possible. Floss every night before bed. Buy mouthwash. Get your teeth cleaned once or twice a year. I carry a small container of sugar-free mints with me wherever I go too. When I worked in an office, I kept a toothbrush and toothpaste at my desk and brushed after lunch and certainly before a date.

For whiter teeth, don't waste your money on whitestrips. I rinse with one part hydrogen peroxide (3%) and one part water each night. HP is what they put in Crest whitestrips and it costs about $1 for a bottle at the pharmacy. And this way you get all the teeth, not just the front. It also promotes good dental health. Just be sure to buy the 3% version and dilute with at least one part water. The taste is a little weird, so if you don't like it just mix with mouthwash.
 

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tldr: be good looking.

I'm glad the community has moved on from believing in fairy tales lol
 

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With the exception of #5, that is what it boils down to.
I think unless you are legit super autistic and have ZERO social skills, it's not really an issue if she thinks you're hot. She'll make allowances and even laugh at things which, if said by an ugly guy, would make her weirded out etc - That's been my experience, at least. In particular with my gameless (but very handsome) friends
 

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Dental health has been an obsession of mine since I was 12 and had a dream that my teeth were rotten and falling out. Let me back up your tongue comment. In addition to brushing, use your brush and scrape your tongue; go back as far as possible. Floss every night before bed. Buy mouthwash. Get your teeth cleaned once or twice a year. I carry a small container of sugar-free mints with me wherever I go too. When I worked in an office, I kept a toothbrush and toothpaste at my desk and brushed after lunch and certainly before a date.

For whiter teeth, don't waste your money on whitestrips. I rinse with one part hydrogen peroxide (3%) and one part water each night. HP is what they put in Crest whitestrips and it costs about $1 for a bottle at the pharmacy. And this way you get all the teeth, not just the front. It also promotes good dental health. Just be sure to buy the 3% version and dilute with at least one part water. The taste is a little weird, so if you don't like it just mix with mouthwash.
When I'm on old if you see a girl who looks hb8 but only has 2 pics and not smiling I quickly move on. Means likely bad teeth.
 

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It's very interesting how the same guys that tell you to go gym to get "bigger" will still insist height doesn't matter
Most guys don't know much to begin with. Corey Wayne says 3%. I think its lower lol.
8 great steps to greatness is in itself is a the issue.
Its like my saying. " in heaven there is no religion". The paradox.
And still you have guys gobbling the stuff up.
It cant be a problem if its not in the mind.
 

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I've read that blacks have the worst results/are the least desirable in the dating market, at least in the US. Black women rank last, but black men don't fare much better.

The online dating data pretty much lines up with what I've seen in social circles and nightlife: blacks have the worst dating results of all the races.
It may differ by region, but I’m 100% sure men from India/Pakistan have it the worst. It’s extremely hard for them to pull outside their race.

And in my experience here in the northeast a successful, fit, well dressed handsome Black guy can pull just about as well as a white guy, maybe even more because a large amount of hot black girls won’t date white guys. It’s also a lot of mixed girls here and they seem to prefer black men.

I do know in different parts of the country this isn’t true.
 
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It may differ by region, but I’m 100% sure men from India/Pakistan have it the worst. It’s extremely hard for them to pull outside their race.
And soon they won't be able to date "in" their race either

Feminism is going to hit that culture like a nuclear bomb

Arranged marriages will decline and the women will westernize

There will be a huge surge of Indian incels in the next 20 years
 

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Most guys don't know much to begin with. Corey Wayne says 3%. I think its lower lol.
8 great steps to greatness is in itself is a the issue.
Its like my saying. " in heaven there is no religion". The paradox.
And still you have guys gobbling the stuff up.
It cant be a problem if its not in the mind.
I like Corey Wayne but I also like the truth

The 3% are the ones with options and looks

My wife thinks Corey is attractive, so there it is
 

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I like Corey Wayne but I also like the truth

The 3% are the ones with options and looks

My wife thinks Corey is attractive, so there it is
Corey is attractive for other reasons other then his face.
 

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Profoundly incorrect statement.

14.5% of US men are 6 feet or over. That's 1.5/10.

I'm 5'8 and pull tons of tail. OLD too. More than I care to deal with right now. Even dated a hot 6'0 redhead for a while until she went bat **** crazy. Pushed hard to get back with me about two years later, lol. Ahhh, no thank you.

Unless you're a f*ucking smurf, don't worry about height.
And even then those guys clean up too. My 5'4" uncle about 2" over average down below has no issue. Its all about confidence and some social proof.
 

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And even then those guys clean up too. My 5'4" uncle about 2" over average down below has no issue. Its all about confidence and some social proof.
Alot of tall women love the funny and secure "short" guy. Hes fun and feels good to be around him.
 

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1.) You are over weight. Being a fat guy puts you right at the bottom. It’s one of the worst things you can be.
I agree you're better off not being fat, but I couldn't help but think of this article:

https://www.girlsaskguys.com/sexual-behavior/a22977-girls-on-tinder-do-smash-a-lot

which is currently being discussed in this thread:

https://www.sosuave.net/forum/threa...ia-tinder-while-less-than-50-men-have.264445/

In it, they not similarities among the top men who are getting most of the sex. They are supposedly "Muscular, well-endowed relaxed and (surprise!) a little beerbelly?".

I don't think the beerbelly is doing the attracting, but here's my theory: These guys were masculine and husky in high school, then when they got a little older they put on a little weight - hence the beer belly. But they still had the Chad-like face, the strong inner game from previous positive experiences with females, and of course the large penis.
 

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With the exception of #5, that is what it boils down to.
Number 5 is literally the difference between every guy who struggles with OLD and night clubs and guys who have social circles/social connections with access to countless women.

It's not just about attraction. That's just a small part of it. It's also about access to resources.

If I know a guy who has access to 50 hb 10's, that's the guy I'm going to network with. And I have the skills to do it.

Put it this way - guys who struggle with attraction think it's all about attraction.

But attractive guys ask one question - "Where are all the women at?"

They are not thinking about their clothes, their style, or whatever it is most guys on this forum stress about.

When I go out, the only 2 things on my mind are 1) Target rich environment and 2) Logistics
 

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How about 8 reasons women can improve upon to be more successful.

1. Don’t have any kids out of wedlock. Definitely don’t have multiple kids by multiple guys.

2. Don’t cover yourself in tattoos. If you want a tattoo, fine, get it in a place it can be covered up sometimes. If a woman has more than 2 tattoos that screams red flag to me.

3. Bring something more to the table than just your vagina. And no, we don’t care how many degrees you have, what do you bring to the table as a potential girl that would make me want to marry you?

4. if you can knock guys for their height, we can knock you for your weight. Get your fat ass in the gym.

5. Don’t be trying to date me when you aren’t over your ex or are an alpha widow. Take some time to get yourself together and think about what you really want in a partner. Enough with the branch swinging.

6. if you have a high body count, own it, don’t try to become a “reborn virgin” and expect me to wait to have sex with you while you freely gave it away to hundreds of other guys. Or just don’t be a slvt in the first place.

7. learn some manners. I can’t tell you how many hot women I see that smack or chew with their mouth open or just are repulsive when it comes to basic manners.

8. Be reasonable with your standards. Take a long look at yourself in the mirror and be honest with yourself. If you’re a 6 then you don’t deserve to date an 8 or 9, I’m sorry. It’s the same with guys, learn to play by the rules we have to play by.
 

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Why you aren’t doing well on OLD/Bars/Social Circle:

1.) You are over weight
. Being a fat guy puts you right at the bottom. It’s one of the worst things you can be. While there are some chicks who dig fat guys you are severely limiting yourself by being overweight and or having a large stomach. They automatically assume you have a little wiener and are gonna lay on top of them with all your weight and crush them and sweat bacon grease all over them. The thought of sex with you is repulsive.

2.) You dress like sh*t. You can be the top engineer, a home owner, graduated top in your class yea yea, none of that sh*t matters if you dress like a hobo in your down time. Invest in some clothes, nice ones. If you are super casual make sure you sneakers look new/newish, dress shoes are polished. Always iron. Most importantly, more important than designers or brand names, make sure your clothes fit well. The tailor is your friend. All dress pants and jackets should be tailored but you can also do the same for jeans.

3.) You look/smell dirty. Dirty fingernails, chapped lips, bags under your eyes. You just look like you don’t have good personal hygiene. Be a little more metro sexual. Once a month go get a manicure. It’s $20 and feels great. Shower daily. Invest in cologne. I have a 30 bottle cologne collection and can give you safe blind buys if anyone wants.

4.) Your breath smells like it’s a little man in your mouth taking a poo this is the number one overlooked thing in dating. You get close to a woman and your breath smells anything other than minty fresh GAME OVER. Brush twice daily, get your tounge

5,) You have no social skills and say dumb sh*t all the time. There is always that guy who in the social group has to share his controversial view points and go on and on about them. Wants to talk about the “radical left” and why “Marxism is good”.. and how trump is making America great again.
Keep that sh*t to yourself. You are entitled to your own opinion but that **** isn’t gonna get you laid. Just keep things light and funny.

And it wouldn’t be a cola thread without the controversial section:

Things you can’t do anything about and just have to compensate for:

6.) You are below 5’8.
I’m sorry. There is a large female population who just isnt going to date you. It sucks, being under 5’8 doesn’t make you less of a man. The strongest kid I know is a 5’5 ex college wrestler. He would slam any 6’2 guy on his neck and ground and pound him till he is in a coma. But it’s just the reality of the dating game.

7.) You are anything other than black or white. It is what it is man, the number one sought after man is white. Even me as a black guy have accepted there is a good amount of women who wouldn’t date me, no matter what I say.. Brown/Asian/Dark Latinos are going to have an even larger segment of the population who just won’t date you. I apologize, is what it is.

8.) You have an ugly face. Again unfortunate, some facial features you just can’t fix. Doesn’t mean you can’t get girls, you just are limited and probably won’t do well on OLD. You have to rely more on personality and status.
I'd like to think this is mostly self-evident, and goes without saying, but I would be wrong. Well done.

I would emphasize not sweating anything you can't change, but just accepting that who we are determines who we're with, but that who we are isn't 100% physical. Everyone can improve, always.
 

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Number 5 is literally the difference between every guy who struggles with OLD and night clubs and guys who have social circles/social connections with access to countless women.

It's not just about attraction. That's just a small part of it. It's also about access to resources.

If I know a guy who has access to 50 hb 10's, that's the guy I'm going to network with. And I have the skills to do it.

Put it this way - guys who struggle with attraction think it's all about attraction.

But attractive guys ask one question - "Where are all the women at?"

They are not thinking about their clothes, their style, or whatever it is most guys on this forum stress about.

When I go out, the only 2 things on my mind are 1) Target rich environment and 2) Logistics
Regarding clothes, I get knocked on here about my attire. You guys call me a brand name hog because I wear flashy Ralph Lauren shirts, pants, Hilfiger shirts, pants, jeans etc and you men claim I should wear a basic shirt and jeans, not the flashy brand name stuff like a college student wears. I dress like a guy does in college. What is wrong with going on a date with a 39 year old dressing like that?
 

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Regarding clothes, I get knocked on here about my attire. You guys call me a brand name hog because I wear flashy Ralph Lauren shirts, pants, Hilfiger shirts, pants, jeans etc and you men claim I should wear a basic shirt and jeans, not the flashy brand name stuff like a college student wears. I dress like a guy does in college. What is wrong with going on a date with a 39 year old dressing like that?
Nothing. Make sure the clothes are ironed and tailored.
 

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Nothing. Make sure the clothes are ironed and tailored.
Well yes they're ironed, mom does that and the clothes fit nice. I like buying those slim fit shirts polo sport sells. Size medium but slim fit.

I guess if your super Tyrone or super chad you can just wear a basic t shirt.
 
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