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Wait a minute, aren’t you married?
"The Kiss of Death Mistake"
You replay the conversation at 2 a.m. She texted back fast yesterday. Today, nothing. Was that smile friendly or flirty? What did the shoulder touch mean?
Every hour you spend decoding her signals drains your confidence and hands her the controls. Women can sense that insecurity from across the room — and it repels them.
One of the "22 Rules" kills the obsession on the spot: assume she likes you, and act accordingly. Sounds too simple. Works anyway.
Her interest tends to rise to meet your expectations. Psychologists call it a self-fulfilling prophecy.
Gonna wing for my incel bud im SF tonight
- Thread starter Hamurabimbi
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"I just moved here from Florida."
That sentence contains at least five follow-up questions she WANTS you to ask. Where in Florida? What brought you here? How long have you been in the area? What do you miss? How does it compare to here?
She handed them to you on a silver platter. And you said, "Oh cool. I come here every week. I love this band. Ummm... pretty crowded tonight."
She smiled politely. Nodded. And never texted you back.
I was that guy for years. Talking too much. Listening too little. Panicking about my next sentence while she was literally feeding me the answers.
Then I found 22 rules that fixed the whole thing. Rule number one: shut up and listen. She'll tell you exactly what to say.
Hamurabimbi
Master Don Juan
GF.
I’m not trying to pick up girls. Just help my buddy out.
hang out. Drink. Listen to music. Talk to people.
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Lol...point taken.
How can you be an effective wing man? You give your buddy pointers, do you talk to the other girls he's with just to help him out? Lol being a wing man sounds fun. I should try it sometime, I always go solo.
Hamurabimbi
Master Don Juan
Like with the solo girl dancing by me. I’d have either tried to get him to dance/talk yo her. Or I would have and drawn him into the conversation and then fade.
"I'm Not Looking for Anything Serious Right Now"
When a woman says it, guys hear a confession. A heads-up. A scheduling conflict.
Here's the translation: I don't feel anything. Right now. With you.
Watch what happens when a man triggers actual attraction. The busy career, the recent breakup, the "not in a place to date" — all of it evaporates instantly. The same woman who was guarding her freedom is suddenly free every night.
The "22 Rules" explain why. When the right switches flip, her timeline rearranges itself around you.
Sgthaytham
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That's too much too soon for him.
Walk around a bar/club. Go up to random groups (men and women) ask them if they're having a good night, clink your drinks with them, walk off... Go around to another group... Then sit down with the incel and just have fun, laugh, joke around.
If either of you have caught someone's eye, they'll come over. Take it from there.
redskinsfan92
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Noisy clubs with dancing might be too overwhelming for him at this point.
BackInTheGame78
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He isn't ready for that.
You don't go from incel who probably has no social skills, hence why he is an incel, to a place where you need to have exceptional social skills and expect to succeed.
It was a good thought but he needs baby steps at this point.
You don't go from incel who probably has no social skills, hence why he is an incel, to a place where you need to have exceptional social skills and expect to succeed.
It was a good thought but he needs baby steps at this point.
MatureDJ
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Well, what do you expect in SF?
Hamurabimbi
Master Don Juan
Yeah. Par for the course.Well, what do you expect in SF?
"The Coffee Shop Girl You Never Spoke To"
You've replayed it a hundred times. She stood three feet away, scrolling her phone. You had an opening. You composed the perfect line — after she was gone.
For all you know, she's married now. To some guy who said something. Anything.
Openers are cheap. Almost any sentence works when it's delivered within three seconds. The expensive part is the standing there, drafting and deleting, while the window quietly closes.
The "22 Rules" stripped out my hesitation. What to open with, how to keep it alive, and the one habit that costs guys more women than anything else: waiting for perfect.
Hamurabimbi
Master Don Juan
Completely.
Hamurabimbi
Master Don Juan
I think his only hope is to Social Circle.
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If you love the guy, you should take him to a park or a wide area of people for a mini bootcamp and socialize.
Hamurabimbi
Master Don Juan
I have been trying to help this guy for years. Nothing works. I have one more idea though.
Hamurabimbi
Master Don Juan
going to try again. I'm out of airspeed, altitude and ideas. Any suggestions?
We're going out in The City tonight.
Valencia St. Great place.
"She Wants a Man, Not a Boy"
You asked her if she wanted to grab coffee. Then you asked if the time worked. Then you asked if the place was okay. Then you asked if she'd prefer tea.
Four questions. Four chances for her to say no. Four signals that you're terrified of making a decision.
Plan it. Pick the place. Pick the time. Tell her where to meet you. She'll either show up or she won't.
Either way, you look like a man instead of a scared little boy.
BackInTheGame78
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He has to want to change and be willing to take action to do it. Nothing YOU do will matter until he wants it more than you do.
Hamurabimbi
Master Don Juan
He sat facing the wall of the club. I met a girl. Shsred a drink & got her name while he stared off. Into space. .
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Yeah that's a shame really...I still like the effort you put into this.
Bigger underlying issues that we men dont communicate and talk about these problems. In war and love it's s every man for himself. Women are more understanding amongst each other, that's why we as men all know you might have to run game on her fatty friend as well. If your male friend catches a ONS , it's a handshake and see you tomorrow buddy!
Is there a bigger problem at play? Does he actually want to talk to women but for some reason is unable to do it? Recently broken up?
Pierce Manhammer
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Ahh Valencia, my days of yore…
It wasn’t the shyte show it can be now in the late 90’s.
It wasn’t the shyte show it can be now in the late 90’s.
Pierce Manhammer
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You’re a good man for trying.
Have you considered talking to female friend and seeing if you can set something up for him with a friend? Like just someone that’ll agree to be talk to him and asses him from the female side? Just to get him some courage?
Have you considered talking to female friend and seeing if you can set something up for him with a friend? Like just someone that’ll agree to be talk to him and asses him from the female side? Just to get him some courage?
"She Liked You in March. It's October Now."
Attraction runs on a clock.
She flirted for weeks. Touched your arm. Found reasons to be alone with you. And you were careful. Respectful. Waiting for the right moment.
The moment had a shelf life. It expired around month two, and by the time you asked her out, she'd quietly filed you under "little brother."
One of the hardest lessons inside the 22 Rules: women rarely wait. Interest either grows or it decays, and nothing decays it faster than a man who never moves.
Make the move while she's still inventing reasons to be near you.