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Wait a minute, aren’t you married?
Why "Whatever You Want" Keeps You Single
She says the movie looks dumb; you suddenly agree. She tests you with a little attitude; you apologize for nothing.
You think you're being easy to get along with. She reads something else entirely: a man with no edges. Nothing to hold on to. No friction, no tension, no reason to wonder what he really thinks.
The "22 Rules" taught me to push back — playfully, calmly, without needing her approval. Strange things happened after that.
Gonna wing for my incel bud im SF tonight
- Thread starter Hamurabimbi
- Start date
"Why Women Dump the Guys Who Try the Hardest"
You paid for dinner. You drove. You said "whatever you want is fine" every single time. All the effort, no expectations.
And she left anyway — probably for a guy who makes her pick up the pizza.
Painful. Also predictable. Her mind quietly concludes that anything requiring zero effort from her is worth exactly zero. You became a free sample, and free samples get taken for granted.
The 22 Rules flip the dynamic. Small shifts that get her investing effort, money, and time in you — until SHE'S the one afraid of losing YOU.
Hamurabimbi
Master Don Juan
GF.
I’m not trying to pick up girls. Just help my buddy out.
hang out. Drink. Listen to music. Talk to people.
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Lol...point taken.
How can you be an effective wing man? You give your buddy pointers, do you talk to the other girls he's with just to help him out? Lol being a wing man sounds fun. I should try it sometime, I always go solo.
Hamurabimbi
Master Don Juan
Like with the solo girl dancing by me. I’d have either tried to get him to dance/talk yo her. Or I would have and drawn him into the conversation and then fade.
"So, What Do You Do for Fun?"
She asks it casually, mid-sip. And you feel the floor open up, because the honest answer is work, gym, and a couple shows you're half-watching.
Women rarely say this out loud, but a man with a life is attractive before he says a word. The guy who spent Saturday deep-sea fishing and came back with photos and a story — he walks in already interesting.
The "22 Rules" pushed me to build a life worth talking about. Turns out the fastest way to be interesting to women is to be interested in your own life first.
Sgthaytham
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That's too much too soon for him.
Walk around a bar/club. Go up to random groups (men and women) ask them if they're having a good night, clink your drinks with them, walk off... Go around to another group... Then sit down with the incel and just have fun, laugh, joke around.
If either of you have caught someone's eye, they'll come over. Take it from there.
redskinsfan92
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Noisy clubs with dancing might be too overwhelming for him at this point.
BackInTheGame78
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He isn't ready for that.
You don't go from incel who probably has no social skills, hence why he is an incel, to a place where you need to have exceptional social skills and expect to succeed.
It was a good thought but he needs baby steps at this point.
You don't go from incel who probably has no social skills, hence why he is an incel, to a place where you need to have exceptional social skills and expect to succeed.
It was a good thought but he needs baby steps at this point.
MatureDJ
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Well, what do you expect in SF?
Hamurabimbi
Master Don Juan
Yeah. Par for the course.Well, what do you expect in SF?
"She Liked You in March. It's October Now."
Attraction runs on a clock.
She flirted for weeks. Touched your arm. Found reasons to be alone with you. And you were careful. Respectful. Waiting for the right moment.
The moment had a shelf life. It expired around month two, and by the time you asked her out, she'd quietly filed you under "little brother."
One of the hardest lessons inside the 22 Rules: women rarely wait. Interest either grows or it decays, and nothing decays it faster than a man who never moves.
Make the move while she's still inventing reasons to be near you.
Hamurabimbi
Master Don Juan
Completely.
Hamurabimbi
Master Don Juan
I think his only hope is to Social Circle.
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If you love the guy, you should take him to a park or a wide area of people for a mini bootcamp and socialize.
Hamurabimbi
Master Don Juan
I have been trying to help this guy for years. Nothing works. I have one more idea though.
Hamurabimbi
Master Don Juan
going to try again. I'm out of airspeed, altitude and ideas. Any suggestions?
We're going out in The City tonight.
Valencia St. Great place.
"I'm Not Looking for Anything Serious Right Now"
When a woman says it, guys hear a confession. A heads-up. A scheduling conflict.
Here's the translation: I don't feel anything. Right now. With you.
Watch what happens when a man triggers actual attraction. The busy career, the recent breakup, the "not in a place to date" — all of it evaporates instantly. The same woman who was guarding her freedom is suddenly free every night.
The "22 Rules" explain why. When the right switches flip, her timeline rearranges itself around you.
BackInTheGame78
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He has to want to change and be willing to take action to do it. Nothing YOU do will matter until he wants it more than you do.
Hamurabimbi
Master Don Juan
He sat facing the wall of the club. I met a girl. Shsred a drink & got her name while he stared off. Into space. .
Gamisch
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Yeah that's a shame really...I still like the effort you put into this.
Bigger underlying issues that we men dont communicate and talk about these problems. In war and love it's s every man for himself. Women are more understanding amongst each other, that's why we as men all know you might have to run game on her fatty friend as well. If your male friend catches a ONS , it's a handshake and see you tomorrow buddy!
Is there a bigger problem at play? Does he actually want to talk to women but for some reason is unable to do it? Recently broken up?
Pierce Manhammer
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Ahh Valencia, my days of yore…
It wasn’t the shyte show it can be now in the late 90’s.
It wasn’t the shyte show it can be now in the late 90’s.
Pierce Manhammer
Moderator
You’re a good man for trying.
Have you considered talking to female friend and seeing if you can set something up for him with a friend? Like just someone that’ll agree to be talk to him and asses him from the female side? Just to get him some courage?
Have you considered talking to female friend and seeing if you can set something up for him with a friend? Like just someone that’ll agree to be talk to him and asses him from the female side? Just to get him some courage?
"I'm Not Looking for Anything Serious Right Now"
When a woman says it, guys hear a confession. A heads-up. A scheduling conflict.
Here's the translation: I don't feel anything. Right now. With you.
Watch what happens when a man triggers actual attraction. The busy career, the recent breakup, the "not in a place to date" — all of it evaporates instantly. The same woman who was guarding her freedom is suddenly free every night.
The "22 Rules" explain why. When the right switches flip, her timeline rearranges itself around you.