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Wait a minute, aren’t you married?
"How I Made Sure No Woman Ever Friend-Zoned Me Again"
She calls you when her car breaks down. When she needs help moving. When some guy she's actually dating treats her badly.
You're the listener. The reliable one. The guy who would treat her so much better, if she'd just open her eyes.
She won't. You trained her to see you as the low-effort option — the friend who requires zero risk and zero investment. Every favor dug the hole deeper.
The "22 Rules" break the pattern. You'll stop auditioning for a role she already cast and become the man she chases instead. It starts with Rule 1.
Gonna wing for my incel bud im SF tonight
- Thread starter Hamurabimbi
- Start date
"So, What Do You Do for Fun?"
She asks it casually, mid-sip. And you feel the floor open up, because the honest answer is work, gym, and a couple shows you're half-watching.
Women rarely say this out loud, but a man with a life is attractive before he says a word. The guy who spent Saturday deep-sea fishing and came back with photos and a story — he walks in already interesting.
The "22 Rules" pushed me to build a life worth talking about. Turns out the fastest way to be interesting to women is to be interested in your own life first.
Hamurabimbi
Master Don Juan
GF.
I’m not trying to pick up girls. Just help my buddy out.
hang out. Drink. Listen to music. Talk to people.
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Master Don Juan
Lol...point taken.
How can you be an effective wing man? You give your buddy pointers, do you talk to the other girls he's with just to help him out? Lol being a wing man sounds fun. I should try it sometime, I always go solo.
Hamurabimbi
Master Don Juan
Like with the solo girl dancing by me. I’d have either tried to get him to dance/talk yo her. Or I would have and drawn him into the conversation and then fade.
"She Wants a Man, Not a Boy"
You asked her if she wanted to grab coffee. Then you asked if the time worked. Then you asked if the place was okay. Then you asked if she'd prefer tea.
Four questions. Four chances for her to say no. Four signals that you're terrified of making a decision.
Plan it. Pick the place. Pick the time. Tell her where to meet you. She'll either show up or she won't.
Either way, you look like a man instead of a scared little boy.
Sgthaytham
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That's too much too soon for him.
Walk around a bar/club. Go up to random groups (men and women) ask them if they're having a good night, clink your drinks with them, walk off... Go around to another group... Then sit down with the incel and just have fun, laugh, joke around.
If either of you have caught someone's eye, they'll come over. Take it from there.
redskinsfan92
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Noisy clubs with dancing might be too overwhelming for him at this point.
BackInTheGame78
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He isn't ready for that.
You don't go from incel who probably has no social skills, hence why he is an incel, to a place where you need to have exceptional social skills and expect to succeed.
It was a good thought but he needs baby steps at this point.
You don't go from incel who probably has no social skills, hence why he is an incel, to a place where you need to have exceptional social skills and expect to succeed.
It was a good thought but he needs baby steps at this point.
MatureDJ
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Well, what do you expect in SF?
Hamurabimbi
Master Don Juan
Yeah. Par for the course.Well, what do you expect in SF?
“The 22 Rules That Flip the Script With Women… And How You Can Use Them Tonight”
Most guys accidentally kill attraction before they even speak. They assume they need a bigger bank account, a better physique, or smoother lines. They miss the point.
Female desire operates on a specific set of psychological triggers. Break them, and you're invisible. Follow them, and you become magnetic.
I learned this the hard way. Years of freezing up. Getting friend-zoned. Watching other guys walk away with the girl I wanted. Then I discovered a set of 22 simple rules that rewired my entire approach.
Hamurabimbi
Master Don Juan
Completely.
Hamurabimbi
Master Don Juan
I think his only hope is to Social Circle.
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Master Don Juan
If you love the guy, you should take him to a park or a wide area of people for a mini bootcamp and socialize.
Hamurabimbi
Master Don Juan
I have been trying to help this guy for years. Nothing works. I have one more idea though.
Hamurabimbi
Master Don Juan
going to try again. I'm out of airspeed, altitude and ideas. Any suggestions?
We're going out in The City tonight.
Valencia St. Great place.
"Nervous Around Beautiful Women? There's a Rule for That"
I could talk to any woman I wasn't attracted to. Charming, funny, relaxed. Then a gorgeous woman looked my way and I'd become a sweating, babbling mess.
The fix took me years to find and ten minutes to learn. Nervousness and excitement are the same physical state — pounding heart, adrenaline, flushed face. Your brain just picks the label. And you can pick a better one.
Rule 16 shows you how. You feel the nerves, relabel them as excitement, and let that energy pour out as enthusiasm. Women notice the guy radiating it. They always do.
BackInTheGame78
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He has to want to change and be willing to take action to do it. Nothing YOU do will matter until he wants it more than you do.
Hamurabimbi
Master Don Juan
He sat facing the wall of the club. I met a girl. Shsred a drink & got her name while he stared off. Into space. .
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Yeah that's a shame really...I still like the effort you put into this.
Bigger underlying issues that we men dont communicate and talk about these problems. In war and love it's s every man for himself. Women are more understanding amongst each other, that's why we as men all know you might have to run game on her fatty friend as well. If your male friend catches a ONS , it's a handshake and see you tomorrow buddy!
Is there a bigger problem at play? Does he actually want to talk to women but for some reason is unable to do it? Recently broken up?
Pierce Manhammer
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Ahh Valencia, my days of yore…
It wasn’t the shyte show it can be now in the late 90’s.
It wasn’t the shyte show it can be now in the late 90’s.
Pierce Manhammer
Moderator
You’re a good man for trying.
Have you considered talking to female friend and seeing if you can set something up for him with a friend? Like just someone that’ll agree to be talk to him and asses him from the female side? Just to get him some courage?
Have you considered talking to female friend and seeing if you can set something up for him with a friend? Like just someone that’ll agree to be talk to him and asses him from the female side? Just to get him some courage?
"You Can't Argue a Woman Into Liking You"
You made your case like a lawyer. Stable job. Good guy. Ready for something real. All true. All irrelevant.
She weighed your points, nodded along, felt nothing — then fell hard for some tattooed bartender with a motorcycle and a gambling problem.
Logic is where attraction goes to die. The "22 Rules" work a level deeper, on the subconscious switches that decide within minutes whether you register as a MAN or as part of the furniture.
Stop presenting evidence. Start flipping switches.