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Master Don Juan
Wait a minute, aren’t you married?
"The Coffee Shop Girl You Never Spoke To"
You've replayed it a hundred times. She stood three feet away, scrolling her phone. You had an opening. You composed the perfect line — after she was gone.
For all you know, she's married now. To some guy who said something. Anything.
Openers are cheap. Almost any sentence works when it's delivered within three seconds. The expensive part is the standing there, drafting and deleting, while the window quietly closes.
The "22 Rules" stripped out my hesitation. What to open with, how to keep it alive, and the one habit that costs guys more women than anything else: waiting for perfect.
Gonna wing for my incel bud im SF tonight
- Thread starter Hamurabimbi
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"She's Out of Your League"
You've said it a hundred times. Maybe a thousand. And every time you say it, you train your brain to freeze the next time she walks into the room.
Leagues are a myth invented by guys who are scared of women.
She's a person. She has bad breath in the morning. She picks songs she can't sing in the shower. She overthinks her own texts.
Walk over. Say something. The league dissolves the second you open your mouth.
Hamurabimbi
Master Don Juan
GF.
I’m not trying to pick up girls. Just help my buddy out.
hang out. Drink. Listen to music. Talk to people.
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Master Don Juan
Lol...point taken.
How can you be an effective wing man? You give your buddy pointers, do you talk to the other girls he's with just to help him out? Lol being a wing man sounds fun. I should try it sometime, I always go solo.
Hamurabimbi
Master Don Juan
Like with the solo girl dancing by me. I’d have either tried to get him to dance/talk yo her. Or I would have and drawn him into the conversation and then fade.
"Why Women Dump the Guys Who Try the Hardest"
You paid for dinner. You drove. You said "whatever you want is fine" every single time. All the effort, no expectations.
And she left anyway — probably for a guy who makes her pick up the pizza.
Painful. Also predictable. Her mind quietly concludes that anything requiring zero effort from her is worth exactly zero. You became a free sample, and free samples get taken for granted.
The 22 Rules flip the dynamic. Small shifts that get her investing effort, money, and time in you — until SHE'S the one afraid of losing YOU.
Sgthaytham
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That's too much too soon for him.
Walk around a bar/club. Go up to random groups (men and women) ask them if they're having a good night, clink your drinks with them, walk off... Go around to another group... Then sit down with the incel and just have fun, laugh, joke around.
If either of you have caught someone's eye, they'll come over. Take it from there.
redskinsfan92
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Noisy clubs with dancing might be too overwhelming for him at this point.
BackInTheGame78
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He isn't ready for that.
You don't go from incel who probably has no social skills, hence why he is an incel, to a place where you need to have exceptional social skills and expect to succeed.
It was a good thought but he needs baby steps at this point.
You don't go from incel who probably has no social skills, hence why he is an incel, to a place where you need to have exceptional social skills and expect to succeed.
It was a good thought but he needs baby steps at this point.
MatureDJ
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Well, what do you expect in SF?
Hamurabimbi
Master Don Juan
Yeah. Par for the course.Well, what do you expect in SF?
"How I Made Sure No Woman Ever Friend-Zoned Me Again"
She calls you when her car breaks down. When she needs help moving. When some guy she's actually dating treats her badly.
You're the listener. The reliable one. The guy who would treat her so much better, if she'd just open her eyes.
She won't. You trained her to see you as the low-effort option — the friend who requires zero risk and zero investment. Every favor dug the hole deeper.
The "22 Rules" break the pattern. You'll stop auditioning for a role she already cast and become the man she chases instead. It starts with Rule 1.
Hamurabimbi
Master Don Juan
Completely.
Hamurabimbi
Master Don Juan
I think his only hope is to Social Circle.
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Master Don Juan
If you love the guy, you should take him to a park or a wide area of people for a mini bootcamp and socialize.
Hamurabimbi
Master Don Juan
I have been trying to help this guy for years. Nothing works. I have one more idea though.
Hamurabimbi
Master Don Juan
going to try again. I'm out of airspeed, altitude and ideas. Any suggestions?
We're going out in The City tonight.
Valencia St. Great place.
"You Can't Argue a Woman Into Liking You"
You made your case like a lawyer. Stable job. Good guy. Ready for something real. All true. All irrelevant.
She weighed your points, nodded along, felt nothing — then fell hard for some tattooed bartender with a motorcycle and a gambling problem.
Logic is where attraction goes to die. The "22 Rules" work a level deeper, on the subconscious switches that decide within minutes whether you register as a MAN or as part of the furniture.
Stop presenting evidence. Start flipping switches.
BackInTheGame78
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He has to want to change and be willing to take action to do it. Nothing YOU do will matter until he wants it more than you do.
Hamurabimbi
Master Don Juan
He sat facing the wall of the club. I met a girl. Shsred a drink & got her name while he stared off. Into space. .
Gamisch
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Yeah that's a shame really...I still like the effort you put into this.
Bigger underlying issues that we men dont communicate and talk about these problems. In war and love it's s every man for himself. Women are more understanding amongst each other, that's why we as men all know you might have to run game on her fatty friend as well. If your male friend catches a ONS , it's a handshake and see you tomorrow buddy!
Is there a bigger problem at play? Does he actually want to talk to women but for some reason is unable to do it? Recently broken up?
Pierce Manhammer
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Ahh Valencia, my days of yore…
It wasn’t the shyte show it can be now in the late 90’s.
It wasn’t the shyte show it can be now in the late 90’s.
Pierce Manhammer
Moderator
You’re a good man for trying.
Have you considered talking to female friend and seeing if you can set something up for him with a friend? Like just someone that’ll agree to be talk to him and asses him from the female side? Just to get him some courage?
Have you considered talking to female friend and seeing if you can set something up for him with a friend? Like just someone that’ll agree to be talk to him and asses him from the female side? Just to get him some courage?
"How I Made Sure No Woman Ever Friend-Zoned Me Again"
She calls you when her car breaks down. When she needs help moving. When some guy she's actually dating treats her badly.
You're the listener. The reliable one. The guy who would treat her so much better, if she'd just open her eyes.
She won't. You trained her to see you as the low-effort option — the friend who requires zero risk and zero investment. Every favor dug the hole deeper.
The "22 Rules" break the pattern. You'll stop auditioning for a role she already cast and become the man she chases instead. It starts with Rule 1.