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Very similar to what Colossus said earlier and this is NOTHING but pre-programmed societal "group think" ingrained into your skull. Listen, let's face facts here...MOST women won't even get married even one time within our generation. The marriage rates are decreasing every year, women don't even see marriage as they used to in prior generations as some "must-have," today it's more of a "want to do before I die" type of thing.
I bet there are a lot of girls these days who are more interested in the wedding than the actual marriage. They want the ceremony, the dress, the party, the being center of attention. Look at the popularity of programs about trying on wedding dresses and about putting together weddings and receptions. I'd wager a good many women are more interested in having their day than participatiing in a give and take marriage.
 

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This mostly sounds like a case of comparing apples to oranges.

If you are in a country other than the U.S. and the culture in that country supports and enforces marriage for life, a woman is shamed for cheating and acting promiscuous, where a woman honors her husband and the sacrifices he makes, then marriage might be an equitable institution that a man could enter into.

In the U.S., with divorce laws as they are and the entitled attitude of most American women, be forewarned: you are gambling and the deck is stacked against you.

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You know what saddens me though guys? The only group of people I see on the forefront coming against us MGTOWs are other MEN. Other men who believe that our choices of not participating in a failed system is selfish and self-centered, despite the RAW numbers we continue to show them in terms of the low quality.

I also know women who are currently getting alimony, and they have flat out stated they would NEVER re-marry because doing so means they would lose the alimony. I don't see these same men shaming those women for not re-marrying when they could, to loosen all prior ties to the ex-husband. Matter of fact, I don't see men shaming un-married women at ALL for deciding not to marry.

You see, a woman can decide to opt out of whatever she wants based on society based "norms," such as opting out of being a quality woman, opting out of giving sex to her lover, opting out of having children because her career is more important, opting out of getting married because she prefers the single life, opting out of having integrity and instead deciding to use men for free dates and entertainment, etc. And you NEVER see these Men stand up and tell those women that their choices are wrong, selfish or self-centered.

In a nutshell, a woman can do WHATEVER the fvck she wants. She can even SCREW a guy over. And there's no society based backlash, these MEN attacking MGTOWs are silent, etc, etc.

But when a man decides to go his "own way," then damn it, we have to be shamed, scorned, mocked, our sexuality is questioned, they say we must just "hate our mother," they say we must just have been "hurt" and need to get over it, and all of this psycho babble bullshyt.

It's not that women have ENSLAVED MEN, we have enslaved ourselves. We have the option to say NO to a failed system such as marriage, but we often say YES because we are peer pressured, mocked, and shamed into doing so.
 

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In a nutshell, a woman can do WHATEVER the fvck she wants. She can even SCREW a guy over. And there's no society based backlash, these MEN attacking MGTOWs are silent, etc, etc.
Apparently, in your country, it is now illegal to throw rocks at people.
You know what saddens me though guys? The only group of people I see on the forefront coming against us MGTOWs are other MEN.
That's because Men going their own way are no better than Feminists opting to stay single or go gay. Quitters will never get sympathy. Sitting around in a huff, b1tching and complaining is not going to make the problem go away. No matter how far you go away, the problem will still be there when you get back.

Let's be completely honest here, you just want somebody to tell you that what you are doing is right, you are smart, and things will work out for you if you can only stay away from dun dun duhhhhhhh, marriage and meaningful relationships. What is it that feminists all do when they get together? Oh right, pat each other on the back, say ' you go girl!', 'I don't need a man!', 'I'm strong and INDEPENDENT!'. How is what you are doing any different from what they are doing? You both deserve each other. My advice to you, get a dog... pretty soon you'll have a nation of cat ladys and dog men.

You think you guys are the first to have this happen? Take a look at Japan, they are going to be fvked well before 2050 and ripe for a hostile takeover. Full of a bunch of MGTOWs and idiot feminists that only talk to each other at Host and Hostess bars. Yeah that plan worked.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vHHpjjKzZTU

http://www.youtube.com/watch?annota...tFUkvYPJdWr&src_vid=vHHpjjKzZTU&v=lrgCjeXrmD4

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iPhr6N-c8as

All these Asian women left unfvcked, unloved, unhappy and crying out for male attention, and you are going to go your own way... pathetic.
 
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Ahh yes, now I see whats going on here. You have a bunch of lazy, unsuccessful guys who are b1tching about a problem that's easily fixable to cover up for their mostly sh1tty lives. The solution is there at the push of a button.. but what happens when you take it and fix your life, what then? You'll have no excuse why you are still unsuccessful in other areas. I'm done with this thread.

I have a friend who does this very thing every single day.

"All women are EVIL!"

Translation: "I'm too lazy to go look for good women"

"All men are RAPISTS!"

Translation: "I don't wanna change my life for a man, I'm so smart and educated!"

"Men are afraid of a successful lady!"

Translation: "I wasted my life in school and I'm too ashamed to admit it"

"I have a thyroid problem!"

Translation: "I want to continue to eat chocolate, frosted flakes, cake, cookies and chips... life is unfair"

"Women only want handsome men!"

Translation: "I'm lazy and call of duty is more interesting than the gym"

"All men are dogs!"

Translation: "I'm too stupid to find a decent man"

"Men have no self control!"

Translation: "I have no self control!"

"I'm strong and independent, I don't need anyone!"

Translation: "I'm lonely and somewhat successful in other areas of my life"

"There are no jobs! I'm not a blue collar person"

Translation: "I want an easy ride, life is hard, I'm lazy and I think too highly of myself.. I have a very fragile ego that would be shattered if someone looked down upon me"

"Anyone pull off an LTR without marriage?"

Translation: "I want to avoid children, fvck random women for the rest of my life and I need you guys to help me back this up"




Whaaa WHaaaa WHAAAA WHAA WHHAAA...

Justified laziness or Justified hedonism... these are all excuses for not doing what it takes to get what you really want. The answer is no, no one pulls off an LTR without marriage. The answer is simple and you don't take it because you are lazy. Why don't people sham women as much as men? Men are supposed to be the leaders, people look up to us, women look to us for the answer... if you are living a hedonic lifestyle, women are going to follow suit. Also we are on a PUA board... basically a bunch of pre-betas who have learned a few tricks and are out of control... of course you are going to get a circle jerk of support, all these guys are in the same boat.

What happens when a woman disagrees with feminism and offers a tangible solution? The group shouts her down and backs it up with science and stats. Pats each other on the back and reassures each other that they are justified in their mutual misery with nonsensical solutions. Sound familiar? Do you ever wonder why all feminists are b1tchy, ugly, butch, childless, single and fat?

Call it what it is: Inability to take responsibility and use restraint and willpower. A bunch of self entitled babies who aren't willing to take steps to fix anything. You see a problem and shout at it. Sh1t or get off the pot fellas.
 
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LiveFree,

For the last time (apparently you aren't reading my posts) I said nothing about opting out of "meaningful" relationships. I said until the marriage/divorce laws change, men should NOT engage a marriage contract and should use alternative relationship structures. That's what I said.

You do not need to be married to be in "love," and if you think that you MUST be married to have a loving and fulfilling relationship, then you are sadly mistaken.

And I am not unsuccessful. I have an MBA and 3 bachelor's degrees that I strategically got all of the tuition paid for at a net ZERO cost, with even a positive overflow of $2,500. I work in Finance, drive a great looking car, I stay in a nice apartment complex with all of the bells/whistles (I opted out of buying a house) and the majority of women I come across say that I'm attractive.

I don't know Danger but from his previous posts, he appears to be doing well in life as well. Also Augustus_McCrae is doing well from his posts.

So we aren't a bunch of unsuccessful losers crying, LiveFree you just throw out any kind of comment to distract the conversation. All we are asking for is for the Court Systems to create more efficient laws. Nobody is saying don't be in love, don't have fulfilling relationships, etc.
 

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LiveFree,

For the last time (apparently you aren't reading my posts) I said nothing about opting out of "meaningful" relationships. I said until the marriage/divorce laws change, men should NOT engage a marriage contract and should use alternative relationship structures. That's what I said.

You do not need to be married to be in "love," and if you think that you MUST be married to have a loving and fulfilling relationship, then you are sadly mistaken.

And I am not unsuccessful. I have an MBA and 3 bachelor's degrees that I strategically got all of the tuition paid for at a net ZERO cost, with even a positive overflow of $2,500. I work in Finance, drive a great looking car, I stay in a nice apartment complex with all of the bells/whistles (I opted out of buying a house) and the majority of women I come across say that I'm attractive.

I don't know Danger but from his previous posts, he appears to be doing well in life as well. Also Augustus_McCrae is doing well from his posts.

So we aren't a bunch of unsuccessful losers crying, LiveFree you just throw out any kind of comment to distract the conversation. All we are asking for is for the Court Systems to create more efficient laws. Nobody is saying don't be in love, don't have fulfilling relationships, etc.
Tenacity, I've read all of your posts on several threads here and find it hard to believe that you are anywhere close to "under educated".

I enjoy your perspective on many topics. You keep posting and I'll keep reading!
 

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Don't worry about LiveFree. He constantly posts $hit in the other sections which are quickly debunked.
Keep telling yourself that boys.
I said until the marriage/divorce laws change, men should NOT engage a marriage contract and should use alternative relationship structures. That's what I said.
Yeah I read it the first time and I still think its bullocks.
All we are asking for is for the Court Systems to create more efficient laws. Nobody is saying don't be in love, don't have fulfilling relationships, etc.
Hell will freeze over long before that happens. Its an excuse nothing more, you will be long dead or past your prime before any of these rules swing. While you're at it wish for world peace and a million dollars for every family in America..

LiveFree you just throw out any kind of comment to distract the conversation.
Yes that must be it.

This thread should be titled: Everybody who needs an excuse to get by, get in here now and post it so we can all feel better about ourselves.
 

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And yet you have been unable to refute anything I say, and then you start posting about me personally.
List your points and I shall refute them. Then I'll continue posting about you and Tenacity personally because your main point is BS and I'm not looking to post popular opinions or get people's sympathy.

Quit being an arrogant circle jerking support group. If you don't like it, go whine to an op or put me on ignore. If what I say offends you, mission accomplished. You guys just don't want to take responsibility for your actions. Tell any woman upfront that you don't believe in marriage or children just before you fck her and lets see where that gets you. You guys are like dogs chasing their tails... I honestly hope you all remain un-married and childless just like you've stated.

If you don't agree with me, I guess what you are doing is clearly working out for you and helps me prove my point.

You continue to stay in America, fvck the low quality women the system creates, ***** and complain about it and pat each other on the back, then say marriage and children are out of the question. You know what, you are right, with the current plan having children would be a nightmare and getting married would just result in an episode of Jerry Springer. The fact of that matter is:

America is fcked. Debunk that.

In your opinion the end game for PUA is MGTOW. MGTOW's don't create nations, nor do Feminists. Going independent is not helping/reforming anything, its just another form of quitting.
 
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Tenacity, I've read all of your posts on several threads here and find it hard to believe that you are anywhere close to "under educated".

I enjoy your perspective on many topics. You keep posting and I'll keep reading!
Thanks!

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Tenacity,

Don't worry about LiveFree. He constantly posts $hit in the other sections which are quickly debunked.

When he loses, he calls names and switches to a different argument.

In short, he knows that Men have few rights in the West, but he doesn't care. He would rather call you names then to agree with the concept.
Correct, let me address LiveFree once again....


LiveFree

You continue to stay in America, fvck the low quality women the system creates, ***** and complain about it and pat each other on the back, then say marriage and children are out of the question. You know what, you are right, with the current plan having children would be a nightmare and getting married would just result in an episode of Jerry Springer. The fact of that matter is:

America is fcked. Debunk that.

In your opinion the end game for PUA is MGTOW. MGTOW's don't create nations, nor do Feminists. Going independent is not helping/reforming anything, its just another form of quitting.
Bringing a foreign woman to AMERICA isn't a solution Live Free. It's like taking a clean piece of meat and throwing it on the floor, now it's "dirty".

What's fvcking us all up is BAD GOVERNMENT POLICY. This entire MGTOW thing are men who can critically think and think independently, realizing that bad government policy has made it very risky to enter a "serious legal" relationship with a woman in America (no matter if she is already here, snuck across the border here, or I FedEx her a.ss here).

Bad Government Policy has created this far left liberal agenda where:

- Women aren't held accountable for SHYT, women can make up any claim they want on you and you are guilty in the Court AND Society, until proven innocent. And even IF you are proven innocent, Society might STILL label you with whatever she originally labeled you.

- Women can make babies with bums and collect residual government payments, never with anybody questioning her morality in creating children under those circumstances and with men that she KNEW couldn't be providers nor good Fathers.

- While not a policy, society is setup now to where a woman can be 450lbs and walk around as if she's Paula Patton.

- Women can receive child support payments that are over and above the needs of the child and there's no AUDIT done to confirm all of the payments are spent on the child in some fashion (expenses or investment accounts).

- Women are awarded alimony and rape men in divorce when it's CLEAR that a woman can go out and obtain a degree today (they have more degrees than men collectively) and support herself.

Bad Government Policy and Bad Regulation, that's the problem. LiveFree you have no solution. Quite honestly, MGTOW has no solution. All MGTOW does is opt out of the relationship structures that cause the most risk. That doesn't solve the problem of Bad Government Policy. I'm MGTOW, but I want to do something to create a more fair and balanced regulatory structure.

You think I DON'T want to settle down? Have a loving relationship? Live happily ever after? Of course I do! But is that shyt even probable? Hell no!
 

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Quit being a pu$$Y and telling other men how to live when you couldn't even pickup western women regardless of their slut level.
Now I am 100% convinced, you are idiots.
Since you are so stupid and missed it in the beginning of the thread. I AM IN A SUCCESSFUL LTR WITH A HOT WOMAN WHO KNOWS I WILL NOT GET MARRIED.
My wife thinks your LTR is a slut. Not that you care, but just so you know, only a slut would enter into that kind of arrangement.
 

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Dude all women are sluts. Some are just direct with it, but most are indirect. I don't think it's anything wrong with being a slut, it's human nature lol.
 

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So are we going to get into insults now? Did I hurt your little feelings by beating the $hit out of your terrible argument?


And your wife is a leftover from the men of her culture who didn't want her. And having spent enough time in the East, I don't doubt she took many multiple c0cks and had to marry a foreigner who had no idea how much of a h0r she was. That often happens with that sort of situation.

Why would anyone take LiveFreeofseX seriously? It's been long obvious the dude is a weak clown who couldn't cut it in the West and had to pack up and get out of dodge to find himself not an Asian woman but an Asian house pet.

The same dude who is so content and has it so good living in pvssy paradise that he needs to try and convince other dudes to do the same as he did so he can have a security blanket of "proof" and a tool to get back at the Western women who rejected him constantly by telling them "look at how many guys are packing up daily and leaving the West! They don't want you mean Western chicks!"

As if he shed every aspect of the West from himself as seen in the same eyes of the type of Asian chicks who are specifically hunting for desperate Westerners in the first place for their own "prize" and or because their own men cast them aside.

But I'm sure those same Asian women they get NEVER wonder why their "high value Western catches of men" had to have fled their country with the same old excuse of "they didn't want any women in the West". I wouldn't be surprised if those same women quietly despise those same men they take for that "I've got a Western man" card.
 

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So are we going to get into insults now? Did I hurt your little feelings by beating the $hit out of your terrible argument?
Is that an insult? I would've thought it would be a compliment in America.

Dude all women are sluts. Some are just direct with it, but most are indirect. I don't think it's anything wrong with being a slut, it's human nature lol.

I suppose you must think all men are dogs and rapists too? Apparently, American women agree with you according to the prevalence of 'SlutWalks' among your general population. You are a sick man Tenacity, you more than anyone needs to get out of America now.

I can't believe you are so deluded as to think this is somehow a good thing... If this attitude continues on its present course there isn't going to be a red pill past this generation. Perhaps that is a good thing, you are all out of control. Just like the feminists, you deserve the court system you are in, you deserve feminism and finally you deserve the fate of your country... in your cases, enjoy the decline, its not gonna get much better than this.

Americans, I love how you guys subsist on assumptions and hearsay. Would it pain you so much to leave and find out how the world really works. I am so happy you all disagree with me, the idiots of the forum are making themselves known to all. I can't believe the competition is stupid enough to wipe itself out.

And your wife is a leftover from the men of her culture who didn't want her. And having spent enough time in the East, I don't doubt she took many multiple c0cks and had to marry a foreigner who had no idea how much of a h0r she was. That often happens with that sort of situation.
You mad bro? According to you guys women are all sluts... would this not be a positive in your culture? I sooo hate to disappoint but my wife was 22/virgin/ and out from the rice fields... what about yours? Smart and educated? Richy and wealthy? Fed with a silver spoon or did she have to work her way up through Burger King to get brainwashed in an American Looniversity? Man she must be a real winner if she opts into a relationship without marriage. Her old man must be so proud of the two of you. Sounds like really good 'wife' material mate.. oh but wait, that's right, you don't want to be married... so what exactly are her duties then Danger? What is it that your woman is useful for beyond the bedroom? Besides being a full time cvm dumpster, what does she provide for you?

Tenacity, Danger,411 we are all where we are supposed to be in life and your attitudes towards women, foreign and domestic, show me exactly where you are at.
 
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Tenacity, Danger,411 we are all where we are supposed to be in life and your attitudes towards women, foreign and domestic, show me exactly where you are at.
Then where am I at? I just posted a thread about my major decisions going forward. I have honestly looked into the situation enough, done a lot of research, debating, ranting.....the decision is that Marriage/Children is just not for me. Maybe it works for you, but it won't for me.
 

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Maybe it works for you, but it won't for me.
Yeah I can see that dude. Good luck with the future its going to be one hell of a hard road... and I do mean that sincerely, good luck. I would not wish your fate on any man.

PM me if you change your mind, maybe I can help.
 

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Is that an insult? I would've thought it would be a compliment in America.




I suppose you must think all men are dogs and rapists too? Apparently, American women agree with you according to the prevalence of 'SlutWalks' among your general population. You are a sick man Tenacity, you more than anyone needs to get out of America now.

I can't believe you are so deluded as to think this is somehow a good thing... If this attitude continues on its present course there isn't going to be a red pill past this generation. Perhaps that is a good thing, you are all out of control. Just like the feminists, you deserve the court system you are in, you deserve feminism and finally you deserve the fate of your country... in your cases, enjoy the decline, its not gonna get much better than this.

Americans, I love how you guys subsist on assumptions and hearsay. Would it pain you so much to leave and find out how the world really works. I am so happy you all disagree with me, the idiots of the forum are making themselves known to all. I can't believe the competition is stupid enough to wipe itself out.



You mad bro? According to you guys women are all sluts... would this not be a positive in your culture? I sooo hate to disappoint but my wife was 22/virgin/ and out from the rice fields... what about yours? Smart and educated? Richy and wealthy? Fed with a silver spoon or did she have to work her way up through Burger King to get brainwashed in an American Looniversity? Man she must be a real winner if she opts into a relationship without marriage. Her old man must be so proud of the two of you. Sounds like really good 'wife' material mate.. oh but wait, that's right, you don't want to be married... so what exactly are her duties then Danger? What is it that your woman is useful for beyond the bedroom? Besides being a full time cvm dumpster, what does she provide for you?

Tenacity, Danger,411 we are all where we are supposed to be in life and your attitudes towards women, foreign and domestic, show me exactly where you are at.
Exactly. There are some of us who make the cut in the West and some of us who couldn't cut it and had to run to where things were "easier" for them as if no other man who chooses to succeed in the West couldn't or wouldn't be a better catch to those same Asian chicks whom you think see you as a 'prize'.

I have yet to ever see a dude who looked like he could easily get women in the West run over to the East because things were to be "handed" to him there. Dudes look like social outcasts, weirdos, not attractive etc. Are you that deluded to think other men who've visited other countries don't pick up chicks while not going to their countries to pick up, yet realize no matter what chicks are chicks no matter where they're from and it's simply not worth re-arrainging their entire lives SPECIFICALLY for a chick even if she's from "perfect land"?

You aren't fooling the rest of us Live'free'. You're simply looking for comfort from other men to 'prove' to yourself you made the 'right decision' and to 'punish' women who couldn't give a rats azz if you left. Trying to get a group hug of 'real men' who leave and have some take away 'trump card' as if the same women who they "didn't want" actually give a damn about them.

The Western women are dating, etc. men in the West and aren't posting let alone worried about some dude who deludes himself to think they are going to be begging for him and his ex-pats to run back to the West so they can worship them.

Your "value" is only as good as NOT being in the West. Because that same 'perfect' chick you know damn well if you brought her back to the West would notice much better options for her than you.

I'd guess your perfect foreign bride and 'dating' agency needs all the support it can get.

If it was so easy to get these perfect women for men such as yourself they wouldn't NEED your help. They'd be able to go anywhere and do it themselves.
 

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DissidentRight Tyler • 17 days ago

Ironically, us men who refuse to get married and have kids are the people who society most desperately needs to get married and have kids
(daughters, ideally), so we can start raising a generation of non-insane women.

Anyway, if you confine your search to traditional Christian women who take their religion seriously, there's a decent chance you'll find someone who won't screw you.
Change traditional to foreign

If it was so easy to get these perfect women for men such as yourself they wouldn't NEED your help. They'd be able to go anywhere and do it themselves.
If I accidentally stumble upon the cure for cancer, should I keep it to myself or share it with others for free?

What would you do? I would share it. Whether you opt to take the cure or not at least the blueprint for the vaccine is available.

Once we get over cancer we can get back to being a productive civilization.

Whether you believe me or not, at least you know it MIGHT be out there for you.

I would certainly appreciate that kind of help, maybe someone else will appreciate mine.

If it saves just one person, then I've done my job... there are more people reading this thread than you guys.

Exactly. There are some of us who make the cut in the West and some of us who couldn't cut it and had to run to where things were "easier"
Why would anyone make it harder on themselves? Why does this site exist if things are so 'easy' for you... I guess you were a natural before you learned game and therefore you exist here for what reason? By your logic, if you were a janitor making $10/hr and I handed you a million dollars, you would throw it away because it was too easy to obtain. That's some smart thinking right there.
 

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Live Free,

Idk man, you just seem to keep throwing out comments and statements without any substance to them. It's hard to even respond to what you are saying because when I THINK I understand "your point," you throw me off.

I suppose you must think all men are dogs and rapists too? Apparently, American women agree with you according to the prevalence of 'SlutWalks' among your general population. You are a sick man Tenacity, you more than anyone needs to get out of America now.

Idk about rapists, but most men today ARE losers though, that I do agree with. And while I have issues with America, it's still the superpower (or one of them) right now in terms of business and free markets, where do you propose I move to?


Good luck with the future its going to be one hell of a hard road... and I do mean that sincerely, good luck. I would not wish your fate on any man.

PM me if you change your mind, maybe I can help.
Lol, see, you are losing me again. So my happiness is tied into being married? To a foreign woman? And if I don't get married to a foreign woman, I can't be happy and fulfilled? What if I'm ALREADY happy and fulfilled? Or, are you saying the happiness and fulfillment I have isn't truly happiness and fulfillment? And when I marry a foreign woman I will achieve this utopia of joy and peace? Try to answer these questions directly.....
 

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LiveFreeX said:
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If I accidentally stumble upon the cure for cancer, should I keep it to myself or share it with others for free?.


What would you do? I would share it. Whether you opt to take the cure or not at least the blueprint for the vaccine is available.

Once we get over cancer we can get back to being a productive civilization.

Whether you believe me or not, at least you know it MIGHT be out there for you.

I would certainly appreciate that kind of help, maybe someone else will appreciate mine.

If it saves just one person, then I've done my job... there are more people reading this thread than you guys.
Cure for "cancer"? LMAO Dude now you're going into full blown drama queen mode.

Yes the "cure" for this terrible debilitating "cancer" is to run out of the West and grab it in a rice paddy. :crackup:

And you are the same dude who wanted to hide in Siberia?


LiveFreeX said:
Why would anyone make it harder on themselves? Why does this site exist if things are so 'easy' for you... I guess you were a natural before you learned game and therefore you exist here for what reason? By your logic, if you were a janitor making $10/hr and I handed you a million dollars, you would throw it away because it was too easy to obtain. That's some smart thinking right there.
Nah. It's much "easier" than working on yourself for yourself and being socially competant and free.

Leaving the place you grew up, your own culture, family, friends, employment FOR A WOMAN.

Learning a new language. FOR A WOMAN.

Getting a new job, learning new laws, finding a place to live, trying to communicate and on and on....FOR A WOMAN.

NOT having ANY social skills or working on yourself but expecting the East to bow down to your "western" needs. FOR YOUR NEED TO HAVE A WOMAN.

Expecting to have an entire culture just "accept you for you" You don't have to learn their ways, their families, their societies just be the same fvck up from the West and they'll mold everything to your needs. LMAO :crackup:


Are you even in the East? Are you even married to some Asian chick? Or are you simply a delusional basement dweller in the West who loses himself in reading all the "perfect" things in books, online, and on forums thinking: Hey! I've got a good way to get back at women who've rejected me! Let me "help" other "men" so we all have a group hug and I'll set up some "dating/marriage" fraud agency to make myself some cash off the expense of the same men I'm "helping"!

Try and have success in the West and then talk to dudes about how you went overseas throwing everything away just to find a woman to marry you.

Winston Wu that you? LMAO
 
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