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Here are some thoughts on potential liabilities even if you have an ironclad prenup. Bear in mind, I'm not a lawyer, but I painfully learned ($60,000 in
lawyer fees) some of the realities of divorce during the multi-year ordeal I suffered through.

Just by nature of being married, you are placing yourself under the rules regarding marriage in your state. You cannot legally get away from this woman without permission of the state. Think about that for a moment and internalize the reality of that.

Now, imagine that she's pissed off and bitter (a woman being pissed off and bitter? never happens...). And she decides to challenge everything, to
drag out the divorce as long as possible, and on top of that, to make false allegations against you (as my ex did). What type of allegations you may
ask?

The worst one my ex made was "misappropriation of marital funds". Which in layman's terms means this: She said I took $100,000 of marital assets
and used them for something that was not in support of the marriage. There was absolutely no evidence of this (because I didn't do it) but I still had to engage my lawyer about this (understand that every phone call and email with your lawyer costs money. My lawyer charged $250 an hour) so I could defend myself. One of the ways to defend yourself against this is to produce documentation that shows where the money went. One way to do that is to hire a "forensic accountant" to do the work. I don't have any idea how much that costs, but I would imagine it's huge bucks. So, with the guidance of my lawyer (again, the clock is ticking. $$$). I produced the paperwork myself to save money. And trust me, this was hours and hours of pain and grief. The judge ruled that I didn't do it, but it cost me thousands of dollars and hour and hours of agony to defend myself against it.

Here's another potential instance that I don't know if a prenup covers: My ex intentionally unemployed herself during the later years of the marriage so
she could potentially get more alimony. So, guys, how do you prove that your ex has intentionally unemployed herself? You have to consult with your
lawyer (again, $$$). Then You have to hire an employment specialist (again, $$$) to interview your ex and give her a battery of tests. That employment specialist then produces documentation that's used as evidence at Trial (yes, I had to pay to have the employment specialist at trial. again, $$$) to help prove that your ex is capable of earning a certain level of salary. This is known as "Imputed income". The judge ruled that my ex was capable of making 30K a year.

These two instances are only a part of what I endured during the divorce process.

So, how many of you even knew about this and knew that a pissed off ex could do this to you? I had never heard of "misappropriation of marital funds" or "imputed income". How many other weapons of mass destruction are available to a pissed off ex? See, the thing is, You don't even know, you have no idea... And understand, the system has these weapons of mass destruction built in to support this type of reckless, destructive behavior from a woman.

Imagine a scenario like this: You are caught in the steel gears of a massive, brutal money making machine that your ex (who now hates your guts) controls the lever of. She can pull the lever back and forth as many times as she wants and it just keeps grinding you up... That's what it feels like guys.

So again: Marriage anyone???

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Danger said:
Great question. The risks of divorce rape will always be present. however, if she has never been milked, you have increased odds of a successful marriage.



Pre-nups do not address third parties. So she is pretty much guaranteed custody of the children and full monetary benefits as a result. So the one positive to getting married (raising kids), is linked directly to the largest disaster possible. Child-support rape.
Correct, and unfortunately child-support rape is a just as real of a possibility outside of a legal marriage. Just avoiding marriage does not offer you immunity in the event of children.




Danger said:
The possibility for a positive outcome absolutely exists. The anti-marriage crew does not dispute that.

What is in dispute is the return on those risks. In other words, what are the real benefits versus the risks? Not even close to high enough to justify it in my viewpoint.
Fair enough. Matter of opinion.




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The data I gave back was not opinions, there were observations that your studies only showed benefits for women and society. The benefits to men were in no way able to show causality, just linkage. And anyone from this site should know that women will select healthier men for marriage, NOT that marriage makes a man healthier.

If you want to see the benefits of NOT marrying, just compare your divorced friends to your never married friends. You will without a doubt see the same general theme of destitution for the divorced and prosperity for the never married. Very, VERY few men get through divorce unscathed.
That's not really a logical comparison. There is no control. A better way to do it would be to look at X number of married vs never married men in the same age group, since we are essentially asking who is happier. Looking at divorced men (poor outcome) vs never married men (null because they never entered the marital equation) doesn't really tell us anything useful, because it's a given that a never married man probably has a higher level of happiness than a man recently divorced.

Your observations that there are no direct benefits to men are, again, a matter of opinion. True that these social studies cant really show direct causality, but I have still yet to see any data that shows correlation OR causality with regards to health and social benefits in never married men.

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I am going to outline for you in simple format one last time why your ARGUMENTS (not your opinions) are weak:

1. The stats you gave us (2 links to CDC/Census Bureau divorce stats) only tell us what we already know---divorce is high and women typically initiate it. They don't bolster your stance that never marrying leads to a superior outcome.

2. You propose that the odds of a negative outcome (divorce and the possibility of divorce rape) are so high that they negate any potential benefits of marriage, and that all said benefits can be attained without marrying.

The first part of your thesis is your OPINION (because first marriages have a <50% divorce rate, meaning greater than 50/50 odds of success, and you cant really prove what percentage of divorces result in divorce "rape", as it were. All you have are anecdotes.)

Here is where the sauce gets really weak:

Your solution, never marrying and enjoying an endless stream of young women, replaceable at the first sign of duress, is incredibly shortsighted because not only is it unrealistic, it does not absolve you of all the risks you hate about marriage.

Allow me to elaborate:

As I stated previously, eventually you are going to meet a girl (or girls) you really, really like. When this happens, human nature takes over and you will naturally start making each other a bigger part of your lives. If you have shared property (whether you own it or you both own it), there can be legal issues. If you have a child together, you are just as much on the hook as if you were married!

So you can come back and say you will never do any such thing with a female---and maybe you wont---but this is incredibly unrealistic. I have yet to meet a female who would remain a permanent gf without an eventual increase in commitment, be it living together, or a pet, or a child, or even just something more meaningful than going over to your house twice a week to bang you. Say you decide to go back to school and she works while you are a student. Or say you help her pay off her car while she has an illness. There are a million different scenarios where your live become intertwined. So while you may not be on the hook as deeply as if you were married, all relationships eventually progress to a point where you will be assuming some of the risks of being a married couple.


Here are the take home messages:

Marriage has risks, there is no way around that. However, so do relationships in general. There are ways to mitigate these risks, but they can never all be eliminated or predicted. That's just life.

If you choose not to marry, totally fine. You do eliminate some risk of a nasty divorce. BUT---unless you manage to go though your entire life managing to never escalate beyond having a simple, entry-level girlfriend (incredibly unrealistic), you will eventually be assuming some, if not many, of the risks you so hate about marriage.

So what are the benefits of marriage then? Well, let's assume that the benefits I listed and substantiated earlier in the thread can all be had by simply cohabitating (at which point you assume marital risks anyways, negating your solution). If that is true, then marriage simply becomes a philosophical choice. There may be religious reasons, perhaps some legal reasons (military service, etc), or you may think like me that when you marry someone, the primary reason is to make them your family. This is purely a viewpoint, not any sort of fact or necessity. It's more of a symbolic commitment, and frankly could be done without a marriage license. But since this thread is about risks and benefits, we should all know by now that by living as if you were married to a woman poses many (and in some cases all) of the risks of actually being married. So, if you want to eliminate all risk, then just never have anything beyond a casual bang relationship (and let us know how that pans out).


Oh, and I'll make one prediction to go on record: I bet you, Tenacity, will be married within 5 years. If not I'll buy you a case of beer.


...and I'm out. :rockon:
 

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that yes marrying raises your health or happiness.

I'll satisfy that for you: If you marry a woman from a 1st world country with a proper healthcare system (Canada, Japan, Australia, Britian, Brazil) etc etc. You get coverage, period. Seeing as you guys are all trapped in that privatized system, I would bet getting access to one of these systems would bring both better health and overall happiness. Marrying into several European countries will allow you or your children to obtain free education and certainly better education that the US can offer.

Finally marrying a woman from a different country offers you opportunities in said country which would not be available to you in your own country. Access to Jobs/ Affordable Real Estate/Better Economy/Superior Quality of Life/Softer attitude towards masculinity/Safer and more orderly country.

All of the above would bring better health and happiness and as an American, you are only privileged to that which is inside the border of the USA (a borderline 3rd world country). Dual Citizenship, try getting it without marriage.
 

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I could suggest one just emigrate to those countries without getting married.
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If that was as easy as you say then the entire 3rd world would be living in the 1st. If this is an American problem, the solution is quite simple, change the country and seek a solution elsewhere. It seems the same message you are repeating over and over is 'marriage is bad for men, we are powerless to do anything about it so lets not try and instead live as societal deviants'. Do you honestly believe that all men in the world suffer from your American problems? Look around, married immigrant families are buying America lock, stock and barrel while you are looking for a new woman to fvk. Young Americans are running off to fight ISIS while Muslim families buy up houses and have 10 children each. A China man is the new owner of a prominent NYC hotel chain... what have you accomplished by staying single? I honestly wonder how many of you are from single parent households. More to the point, I wonder how many of you have created single parent households. Marriage and children IS working for other men.

Without the symbol of marriage there can be no family, no unity and no solidarity. Say what you will, disagree if you want, your country is a perfect example of what happens when people give up and live for 'the short term'. One thing I think we can all agree on, America's time is short.
 

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Also, these just crossed my mind. Benefits:

Single beta's and even single players will follow a strong married man. No man will truly trust or follow a 'player', most betas and white knights HATE jerks but they will follow a married jerk's advice to the letter. You will get automatic respect from any man who is married or 'in the same boat'. When I speak, I need only mention my wife and automatically females soften and fall all over themselves to help me. Women are more interested in sleeping with, dating and pleasing married men, it is a sign of a high status male. Also women will listen to and follow the words of a strong married man more quickly than she will a single guy. Women are very rarely 'threatened' by a married man, so you can do stuff that would make a single player's jaw drop in awe. I've gotten adult women to take their dresses off in the middle of class to compare legs, creating that kind of rapport doesn't come without game+marriage. You should see what I can make women do and what women will send me over the net. I can call them ugly to their faces and they laugh and sometimes agree, there is no air of b1tchiness or resentment. I've had tons of women send me sexy pictures and ask 'what can I change to make me more pretty?'. Look at BB's threads, he can't beat the 'female friends' off fast enough. Married men are in positions of power over women, something single 'never married' players could never fully grasp. Marriage is the highest ambition of EVERY woman on the planet. Do YOU think you can influence America's women from a single standpoint? I've crushed and converted more than a few Western girl's feminist bullsh1t just by introducing them to my ultra-feminine wife and telling them what they need to do differently. Traditional couples will always have power over the 'lost'.

Almost all of my successful friend's are married or in LTRs, several have kids. Almost all of my highly unsuccessful friend's are unmarried, save for one... he has an ugly ass American gf. Married men are more apt to trust each other and, I feel, prefer each other's company over hanging around with single guys. A lot of single guys have yet to 'get it', there is something to passing through a difficult situation with other men that brings them closer together. I would be more apt to trust a married man to cover my back in times of war than I would a single man.

Both a best friend from home and I got into sosuave and game at about the same time 10 or so years ago. He was a zealot and had access to all the major sites. He followed the Mystery Method to the letter and sarged more women than I can count. Going on 4 years now he has been married to a so-so girl with a winning personality. He had a sh1tty job prior to meeting her and bounced back and forth between factory gigs for awhile. After meeting her he cleaned his life up and is now a nurse making decent money. Another supreme player and major drug dealer I knew back in high school married a young teacher. They had a kid and I guess it sobered him up quite a bit because he joined the OPP, now he's a detective or something in the drug enforcement squad. Another bouncer I know that slayed women left, right and center, settled down with a nice girl, had 3 kids and opened his own agency where he makes 10 times the amount he made working the nightclubs. You need to believe things will get better, or why work, why live... why even bother existing?

Finally, IMO, marrying and having children shows gratitude to our soldiers, past, present and future and their efforts to protect us and our way of life. Not marrying, not having children and leading an unproductive life is most certainly a spit in the face to every man who died trying to protect us and what they fought for.

I would go so far as to wonder if success can even be achieved without marriage. Nearly every man who ever did anything great in History was married in some way.. some to multiple wives. I would bet even the great POOK is probably married right now with kids.

If not he should PM me and I can hook that up for him. Married men want to help other men, the more married men we have, the better the outlook for the future is. People aren't getting married anymore and can you seriously tell me America's men & women are in a better position now than they were 50 years ago?

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Men follow leaders, whether single or not.
Find me a president who wasn't married.

Find me a king that never took a queen.


The real point is that most anyone in a 1st world country doesn't care to move to $hit-holes.
I agree, I would never move to America.
 

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The best thing to come out of my marriage is my 2 daughters. I can't imagine my life without them at this point.

Even though my marriage ultimately failed and the divorce was horrible, I can never say that having children with my ex was wrong. It was the rightest thing I've ever done.

Nowadays, there's no longer a stigma with regard to having children out of marriage. So if I wanted to have kids, I wouldn't balk at it, I would just do it within a deeply committed relationship.

However, I'm glad I've already got my daughters and that the divorce occured after they were legal age. I cannot even imagine going through divorce with underage children...

-Augustus-
 

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Yep, you're absolutely right about the first half...

They want to "get" married. They don't want to "be" married.
They definitely want to have kids and then they want the child support and their husband's testicles along with the check.
A few women will be like that, not every woman takes the husband to the cleaners.
 

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We've already seen that marriage as a priority has taken a severe decline in recent decades. Right now, my guess is that this decline will continue before it gets better.

Also, remember the stats that state only about 40% of men have reproduced. For the remaining 60%, was marriage the top priority for all of them? I'm sure a lot of them had more pressing concerns, like survival. Maybe marriage was a priority for some of them, but they were cut out of the loop anyway - maybe through wars, rejection, or an early death.
More people are waiting to get married until they are older, nevertheless a marriage does happen for the majority of people around the world. If people are waiting until their 40's to get married and remarried the reproduction rate for women dramatically goes down. Marriage is still a top priority for most people in the world and will continue to be. Having personal views against marriage is perfectly fine, don't deny that marriage is what the norm has been for cultures for thousands of years.
 

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A few women will be like that, not every woman takes the husband to the cleaners.

No...only the ones who file for divorce.
 

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Tenacity said:
There's no "right woman".

The "right woman," "the one," and "the soulmate" are fictional characters, marketing ploys designed to bring revenue to particular industries. Marriage and Divorce are to Judges, Attorneys, Churches and Hallmark.....like Santa Claus/Christmas and the Easter Bunny/Easter are to Retail Stores.
Tell that to the hundreds of millions married couple throughout our thousands years of history who had a great life with marriage. Being afraid with a negative opinion ingrained into your head is a terrible thing.
 

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Only a small percentage does compared to the women that don't.

Really? I am curious how you know this. My experience has been far far different....and I have actually been through it and have 7-10 friends who have as well.
 

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Danger said:
There are few divorced men who thought they DID NOT choose the right woman when they were marrying.

I have a guy I work with, a good friends really. His wife cheated on him, would not STOP cheating on him when caught, went for psychiatric help but STILL won possession of the kids.

The result? My friend has to pay ridiculous child-support and alimony, all because she cheated and managed to get the children despite her mental problems.

But it gets better. His oldest is going to college and his other daughter is about to go. She wants to be an artist but he said to get a degree which pays and has a return on investment. The ex brought him to court AND.....he is now forced to pay for his daughter's college.

When did paying for college become the full duty of the father? What happened to kids taking out student loans or funding their own education? He funded his own. I funded my own. But NOW the daughter has the right to a full-ride and the ex has the right to file for it, all at the expense of the ex-husband.....when all he wanted was for her to get a degree in something she likes but also makes money, and he still would have paid for it.


Marriage? You would have to be a total pumpkin-head to buy into that garbage.

Marriage has been the foundation of civilized cultures for thousands of years, only a small percentage of people have problems with it today. Marriage is something that almost everybody has though about and normally does at some point. Marriage is required in some cultures for class status in the hierarchy. One friend compared to the millions of happily married couples and you are scared of marriage thinking a divorce will happen to you? They should've made a better choice if they did not think she was the right woman.
 

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Really? I am curious how you know this. My experience has been far far different....and I have actually been through it and have 7-10 friends who have as well.
7-10 friends including you does not account for the millions of strong marriages around the world. Who knows how you and your friends conducted yourselves in the marriage, many factors determine failed marriages when you look at it broadly, still the number of stable marriages are far greater than failed marriages that includes remarried couples who have a stable marriage after a failed marriage.
 

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This thread is a great discussion, I hope it continues and that they sticky this thread because it's a good debate on both sides of the pro and con "get married" argument.


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The reason for this is because if you are going to have kids with a woman they are probably going to want some kind commitment. Secondly, from a personal perspective, I have not decided where I see myself settling and any LTR willing to compromise her own future in order to follow me round the world probably deserves some kind of "security" out the arrangement.
Very similar to what Colossus said earlier and this is NOTHING but pre-programmed societal "group think" ingrained into your skull. Listen, let's face facts here...MOST women won't even get married even one time within our generation. The marriage rates are decreasing every year, women don't even see marriage as they used to in prior generations as some "must-have," today it's more of a "want to do before I die" type of thing.

This notion that you can't have another relationship structure besides marriage for a committed LTR is ludicrous. You guys are afraid you are going to "lose out on a great girl who loves you" when a GREAT GIRL who loves you will LOVE YOU in damn near any type of relationship structure. Does the notion of "love" begin once you enter a marriage contract? Or are you "in love" from a result of spending time and building rapport with each other?



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I would also have no issues paying a fair level of child support (they are my kids after all) as long as it came with being able to see my kids a reasonable amount.
I agree with you, but "fair" is what the current system here in the US is NOT. At any moment the woman can make your life a living hell requiring you to pay out of the a.ss for "child support" where 70% of the payments do NOTHING to support the child....while also fighting to keep you from even seeing the child more than 2-4 times a month. That's the system. At ANY MOMENT the woman can make up her mind and go downtown to the Family Court to fvck your shyt up. Is that fair? Is that balanced?
 

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Tenacity-

I am going to outline for you in simple format one last time why your ARGUMENTS (not your opinions) are weak:

1. The stats you gave us (2 links to CDC/Census Bureau divorce stats) only tell us what we already know---divorce is high and women typically initiate it. They don't bolster your stance that never marrying leads to a superior outcome.
Lol, dude those stats and my commentary based on them IS all the information you need. I gave you the Commercial Loan Underwriting example, I'll repeat it once again. If you are looking to invest in a group of businesses within a market where the default rate is SKY HIGH and you are seeing other investors left and right losing their principal investment...would it be prudent to initiate a loan approval? Yes or No? Wouldn't it be prudent to put that MARKET on your Restricted List UNTIL the market climate changes? Yes or No?

The simple FACT that the marriage market is shyt right now in terms of the general quantity of women that are marriage material in the first place, with a divorce system that's shyt right now in terms of an inefficient process designed to line the pockets of Divorce Attorneys and Judges, with a line of financially screwed, suicidal and already laying in a coffin from having committed suicide MEN...that's ENOUGH damn information for any PRUDENT person to say hold up, maybe this is NOT a prudent investment to make (getting married).

And maybe, it's best to opt for an alternative relationship structure such as the one I propose, which is the No Cohabitation (she has her place - I have mine) structure for an LTR.

If we decide to have kids, we will try to work this out with a joint agreement outside of the Courts, if not, then your "financial screwing" is at least limited to the child support and only for the remainder of the 16-18 years of the child's early life. Not FOREVER in terms of alimony or having to hand over 50% of your assets in terms of a divorce. As I said earlier, you could get screwed with child support but still SURVIVE....it will be hard to survive with a financial screwing of divorce AND child support.

Also with the child support system, there's WAYS you can risk manage that area. You should choose a woman within the No Cohabitation structure I proposed who makes "about" or "more" money than you make, and make sure you get an Attorney that gets you joint custody. That way, the child support payments can be more "balanced" even though they still won't be technically "fair".



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2. You propose that the odds of a negative outcome (divorce and the possibility of divorce rape) are so high that they negate any potential benefits of marriage, and that all said benefits can be attained without marrying.

The first part of your thesis is your OPINION (because first marriages have a <50% divorce rate, meaning greater than 50/50 odds of success, and you cant really prove what percentage of divorces result in divorce "rape", as it were. All you have are anecdotes.)
You want to only focus on the first marriage divorce rates at around 41% on average based on the stats, but marriage is an "institution" in and of itself and second, third, plus marriages should be included in the total. But again....let's just focus on first marriages then okay?

You have about a 50% FAILURE RATE. Colossus, here's a question, would you make an investment in something that required a significant amount of your time, energy and ASSETS....where there was a 50% chance you could lose significantly, and if within the 50% chance you "succeed" you might not be totally satisfied with the results 50% of the time OR for the other 50% of the time you might come to realize that the "benefits" you received could have been obtained WITHOUT participating in the risk in the first place?

Lol, you know what getting married today is like for the successful man? It's like having land with a shyt load of gold underneath, which technically means you own the gold because you own the land it's buried under. Say one day you wake up and say, "Hmmm...I want some gold!" But instead of going into your backyard and just "digging up the gold," you instead go on the financial markets and "invest" in gold as a commodity and subject yourself to the ups, downs, etc. of the market's gold prices. By investing in the market, seeing as though gold is very volatile, you risk losing your ENTIRE investment...for a "benefit/commodity"...that you ALREADY HAD lol.


Colossus

As I stated previously, eventually you are going to meet a girl (or girls) you really, really like. When this happens, human nature takes over and you will naturally start making each other a bigger part of your lives.
Well, "human nature" also gives me the urge to eat Snicker bars all day, eat french fries, and eat baby back ribs, even though they are HORRIBLE for my nutrition. However, have you ever heard of something called, I don't know...self control and discipline lol? You develop your morals, standards and values and you STICK to them. You don't fold.


Colossus

Oh, and I'll make one prediction to go on record: I bet you, Tenacity, will be married within 5 years. If not I'll buy you a case of beer.
Well, I don't drink anymore lol, so instead of the beer can I get a 5lb tub of Gold Standard?

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MOST AMERICAN women won't even get married even one time within our generation. The marriage rates are decreasing every year, women don't even see marriage as they used to in prior generations as some "must-have," today it's more of a "want to do before I die" type of thing.

This notion that you can't have another relationship structure besides marriage for a committed LTR is ludicrous. You guys are afraid you are going to "lose out on a great girl who loves you" when a GREAT GIRL who loves you will LOVE YOU in damn near any type of relationship structure. Does the notion of "love" begin once you enter a marriage contract? Or are you "in love" from a result of spending time and building rapport with each other?
Marriage shows ownership and women want nothing more in life then to know they are owned and cared for. Its a sign of respect in society and without it, there is no way to legitimize the relationship. No SANE woman wants to be reminded that she is nothing but a cheap wh0re, to be used ONLY for sexual pleasure, she wants to show that she is going to be birthing a child with a man who intends to keep her. My wife is also my best-friend and how un-greatful and disrespectful would it be for me to show my appreciation for all she does by not putting a little handcuff around her finger that says to others, she belongs to a man [other than her father]. Women do actually enjoy being 'sex/slaves' but they just want a little credit for their hard work and be in someMAN's care. It's the only thing that separates a prostitute from a woman. Imagine you have a daughter and the guy who is banging her tells you that she is just a short term relationship. I would bury that fcker six feet under. Not marrying her is disrespectful not only to her but to her entire family (and all the men that made her existence possible). She brings great shame to a father that spent his ENTIRE life pouring in resources to see his child succeed. In essence, the contract of marriage is really a contract between two families that says you won't 'run off with the goods'. I'll give you an example: When I started really giving it to my wife and she started telling people we were 'a thing', I got a visit from her brother. He brought with him a large curved knife and just wanted to make it known that I would be bringing great shame upon the family (in her village) if I didn't have the best intentions. Of course, I already wanted to marry her at that point but still, who wants to be the sister or father of a wh0re? Who wants to look a 'playa' in the face as he 'legally' steals from your family? What does that say about you? You are POWERLESS as a man to change things... familial disrespect in the 3rd world can very often result in death.

My wife proudly informs people that I was her 1st and only boyfriend before I married her. Other women always want to know how she had 'the fairytale' relationship, it starts with a man who is in command of himself and his mate. Successful, traditional relationships are the virus that will kill feminism. Women WANT to take care of their men, you have to be step up and show that you are her master and commander.

Can you imagine a woman making you meals and waiting on you hand and foot without being in a legitimate relationship? Would your mother or wife do that for anyone but family? Everyone likes to be appreciated for what they do. Women want to be a part of families, its in their nature. She WANTS to be YOUR b1tch. She'll spend her entire life dreaming of the day her father can exchange ownership of her with another man and the rest of that time imagining a life where she serves your children.


Dodge what point Danger? Your problem is you think that America is some shining jewel for everyone to live up to? Americans are so brainwashed to think their country is the best place on Earth, that likely they'll never leave. Having lived there, and been to over 20 states myself, I can attest to the place being an absolute piece of sh1t compared to most other civilized 1st world countries. And a large percentage of people from the rest of the world DO travel outside their borders despite having universal healthcare at home.... if they didn't, there wouldn't even BE an America (a British colony). If things were so wonderful there, Tenacity wouldn't have any stats to quote.
 
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