"She's Out of Your League"

You've said it a hundred times. Maybe a thousand. And every time you say it, you train your brain to freeze the next time she walks into the room.

Leagues are a myth invented by guys who are scared of women.

She's a person. She has bad breath in the morning. She picks songs she can't sing in the shower. She overthinks her own texts.

Walk over. Say something. The league dissolves the second you open your mouth.

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Maybe it's because I'm not as needy as you are.
Dude...you've been hand-delivered a woman more than a decade younger than you who is basically offering herself on a platter to you...and you disqualify her because you want to dance...

Like, what are we doing here? Is this SoSuave or SoSalsa?
 

"The Coffee Shop Girl You Never Spoke To"

You've replayed it a hundred times. She stood three feet away, scrolling her phone. You had an opening. You composed the perfect line — after she was gone.

For all you know, she's married now. To some guy who said something. Anything.

Openers are cheap. Almost any sentence works when it's delivered within three seconds. The expensive part is the standing there, drafting and deleting, while the window quietly closes.

The "22 Rules" stripped out my hesitation. What to open with, how to keep it alive, and the one habit that costs guys more women than anything else: waiting for perfect.

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I’m beginning to believe Plinco has Narcissistic Personality Disorder or Borderline Personality Disorder. It fits when reading his posts.
Could be but also could be since his divorce some sort of fear of intimacy including sexual intimacy.

I mean no disrespect @Plinco but your reasoning sounds like a bunch of excuses and very poor ones. A lot of assumptions and you had never even met her and barely talked with her!

I didn't view her texts as "too mature" in fact they were quite playful and flirty!

I also didn't view her as "coming on too strong," this is avoidance on your part but why?

What are you afraid of? Do you even know?
 
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Could be but also could be since his divorce some sort of fear of intimacy including sexual intimacy.

I mean no disrespect @Plinco but your reasoning sounds like a bunch of excuses and very poor ones. A lot of assumptions and you had never even met her!

I didn't view her texts as "too mature" in fact they were quite playful and flirty!

I also didn't view her as "coming on too strong," this is avoidance on your part but why?

What are you afraid of? Do you even know?
One of the traits of Borderline Personality Disorder is a distorted sense of reality. We all agree this girl wants him but he doesn't see it that way and it’s driving us up a wall. We’ve all been following his journey and he’s been consistently detached from reality. Case closed you guys.
 

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We all agree this girl wants him but he doesn't see it that way
^I think he does see it, that's the problem! He sees it but he fears it, he is afraid of it. He talks a good game but when faced with the reality of it versus the fantasy, he looks for BS excuses to avoid it.

I mean seriously, to reject a compliant woman, 12 years younger, attractive (a 6 is decently attractive to most men) pretty much a sure thing because she wanted to have a drink instead of going dancing?

Really dude? Come on now. :rolleyes:
 
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"The Coffee Shop Girl You Never Spoke To"

You've replayed it a hundred times. She stood three feet away, scrolling her phone. You had an opening. You composed the perfect line — after she was gone.

For all you know, she's married now. To some guy who said something. Anything.

Openers are cheap. Almost any sentence works when it's delivered within three seconds. The expensive part is the standing there, drafting and deleting, while the window quietly closes.

The "22 Rules" stripped out my hesitation. What to open with, how to keep it alive, and the one habit that costs guys more women than anything else: waiting for perfect.

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For me she's somewhat attractive but through this conversation I feel like I'm being treated like an object.
This part here makes me believe he does have BPD. The conversation seemed fine and he somehow thinks he’s being treated like an object? Wtf? He’s delusional.
 
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He talks a good game but when faced with the reality of it versus the fantasy, he looks for BS excuses to avoid it.
Exactly what I said earlier about distorted reality of people with BPD. When faced with reality of it versus fantasy…. He doesn’t live in reality.
 

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^I think he does see it, that's the problem! He sees it but he fears it, he is afraid of it. He talks a good game but when faced with the reality of it versus the fantasy, he looks for BS excuses to avoid it.
If that's true, then why did I have no problem getting intimate with this girl?


Maybe it's because I have to like the girl first. Right?

I mean seriously, to reject a compliant woman, 12 years younger, attractive (a 6 is decently attractive to most men) pretty much a sure thing because she wanted to have a drink instead of going dancing?

Really dude? Come on now. :rolleyes:
That doesn't make her entitled to have me. Everyone has their preferences and I generally like my women a lot younger than her.


I’m beginning to believe Plinco has Narcissistic Personality Disorder or Borderline Personality Disorder. It fits when reading his posts.

Imagine having inner game so tight that it spins some of you people's hamster wheels. Has it occurred to you (or any of you) that I'm not as needy as you are and labeling me is your ego defense at work?
 

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@Plinco I didn't see the earlier thread about banging a girl half your age for 10 seconds at her family's home (no judgment about that you're entitled to prefer young girls as long as they're of legal age).

However with this girl, your reasoning/excuses were quite bizarre given you had never met her or barely spoke with her.

Like her wanting a drink instead of dancing? You gotta know that was a silly excuse along with the others (i.e. sounding "too mature?). Dude you are 42, and she didn't even, her messages were flirty and playful like a young girl.

Ok you didn't find her pictures attractive enough, she was a 6? That's fair but initially you showed interest in meeting her, you even double texted about getting together!

Why do that if you didn't find her pictures attractive?

I dunno it just seemed in this instance like you were ruining away (avoiding) versus wanting to move towards by at least meeting the girl, something low key and light.

Pictures don't always tell the whole story, you might have met and found her more attractive in person and her energy intriguing. Especially considering you're not exactly swimming with options.

It just seemed like you avoided when it became real (after showing interest when it was fantasy), that's why I posted what I did.

Just sounds really off to me, that's all but good luck!
 
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"How I Made Sure No Woman Ever Friend-Zoned Me Again"

She calls you when her car breaks down. When she needs help moving. When some guy she's actually dating treats her badly.

You're the listener. The reliable one. The guy who would treat her so much better, if she'd just open her eyes.

She won't. You trained her to see you as the low-effort option — the friend who requires zero risk and zero investment. Every favor dug the hole deeper.

The "22 Rules" break the pattern. You'll stop auditioning for a role she already cast and become the man she chases instead. It starts with Rule 1.

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@Plinco I didn't see the earlier thread about banging a girl half your age for 10 seconds at her family's home (no judgment about that you're entitled to prefer young girls as long as they're of legal age).

However with this girl, your reasoning/excuses were quite bizarre given you had never met her or barely spoke with her.

Like her wanting a drink instead of dancing? You gotta know that was a silly excuse along with the others (i.e. sounding "too mature?). Dude you are 42, and she didn't even, her messages were flirty and playful like a young girl.

Ok you didn't find her pictures attractive enough, she was a 6? That's fair but initially you showed interest in meeting her, you even double texted about getting together!

Why do that if you didn't find her pictures attractive?

I dunno it just seemed in this instance like you were ruining away (avoiding) versus wanting to move towards by at least meeting the girl, something low key and light.

Pictures don't always tell the whole story, you might have met and found her more attractive in person and her energy intriguing. Especially considering you're not exactly swimming with options.

It just seemed like you avoided when it became real (after showing interest when it was fantasy), that's why I posted what I did.

Just sounds really off to me, that's all but good luck!

Example of why I find it so easy to meet women on OLD, this is what they deal with routinely. Also probably explains why they thank me for being "normal" so often :lol:
 
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Imagine having inner game so tight that it spins some of you people's hamster wheels. Has it occurred to you (or any of you) that I'm not as needy as you are and labeling me is your ego defense at work?
I’ve unfortunately grown up around people with Borderline Personality Disorder and have learned how to spot it. It took me longer with you since this was online. Again, accusing BPH and I of being needy? Delusional.
 
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I’ve unfortunately grown up around people with Borderline Personality Disorder and have learned how to spot it. It took me longer with you since this was online. Again, accusing BPH and I of being needy? Delusional.
Even professional psychiatrists are not supposed to diagnose someone from afar, let alone from an internet forum. This is also not the first time you've slandered me to discredit me, or covertly tried to convince me to do something that was against my interest. I've hardly called you out on it because I don't take you (and most of the people here) seriously.

I know a thing or two about BPH that you don't. Since I've face timed with him, I've seen that he has some issues going on that you wouldn't easily see here. Yes, he has a neediness problem.
 

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@Plinco I didn't see the earlier thread about banging a girl half your age for 10 seconds at her family's home (no judgment about that you're entitled to prefer young girls as long as they're of legal age).

However with this girl, your reasoning/excuses were quite bizarre given you had never met her or barely spoke with her.

Like her wanting a drink instead of dancing? You gotta know that was a silly excuse along with the others (i.e. sounding "too mature?). Dude you are 42, and she didn't even, her messages were flirty and playful like a young girl.

Ok you didn't find her pictures attractive enough, she was a 6? That's fair but initially you showed interest in meeting her, you even double texted about getting together!

Why do that if you didn't find her pictures attractive?

I dunno it just seemed in this instance like you were ruining away (avoiding) versus wanting to move towards by at least meeting the girl, something low key and light.

I was on the cusp of wanting to bang this girl, but I've seen enough evidence that it wasn't worth it for me to go for it.

Pictures don't always tell the whole story, you might have met and found her more attractive in person and her energy intriguing. Especially considering you're not exactly swimming with options.
What makes you think I don't have options ;)
 

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I know a thing or two about BPH that you don't. Since I've face timed with him, I've seen that he has some issues going on that you wouldn't easily see here. Yes, he has a neediness problem.
I've tried to be patient with you when it comes to giving advice, but if you're gonna be like that and make jabs without even tagging me or replying, ok, let's talk about it...

What makes you think I don't have options ;)
You don't.

Before you "slept" with the one girl at her mom's house for 10 seconds, you hadn't been with a woman for more than a year. You are the most difficult client I've worked with, and I've worked with you significantly longer than anybody else.

You know why? The same reason this stupid a** thread has gone on for 11 pages (and continues); you do not listen.

People who have what you (supposedly) want, who you're asking for help, are giving you advice, and you routinely do not take it. Why that is, I do not know.

You throw around this "young at heart" bullsh** as if that's some magical excuse for being incompetent. Then, when you start making improvements and seeing success and women start wanting you, you're deciding they aren't worth your time because they'd rather f*** you than do this salsa ballroom mambo number 5 bullsh**...

This whole thread is ridiculous, and I hope none of the younger guys follow your example.

EDIT: My "neediness" problem is that I get a little outcome-dependent when I haven't been with anybody new in a while. My "problem" is not even in the same universe as your problems.
 

"She Laughed All Night. Then She Ghosted You. Here's Why."

Dinner ran three hours. She laughed at everything. You walked her to her car thinking this one's locked in.

Then: nothing. Two texts. No reply. What happened?

You did what most men do on a great date. You filled every silence, answered every question, and left her with nothing to wonder about. No mystery. Nothing to sit with when she got home.

Rule 3 of the "22 Rules" changes the ending: tell her a little, hold back the rest, and let her imagination do the chasing. The ghosting stops too.

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I've tried to be patient with you when it comes to giving advice, but if you're gonna be like that and make jabs without even tagging me or replying, ok, let's talk about it...
You asked me not to tag you. You want me to start tagging you again?

When we did our second face time call, I asked you what were your goals with women. You said that you wanted to sleep with a lot of women. When I pressed you on why that is, you couldn't give me a straight answer.

Another time I asked you what was your vision for your coaching business, and what makes you passionate about what your doing. Again, couldn't give me a straight answer. You thought about it and tried to answer on the spot; obviously this is something you didn't ask yourself before.

I don't think you're stupid. I think you should do some more self-reflection and some journaling.

As far as the neediness goes, I've seen and heard several times or more that you prioritize sleeping with women than doing things like making friends or having a sense of integrity. Again, my suggestion is to do some self-reflection.

You don't.
I do

You know why? The same reason this stupid a** thread has gone on for 11 pages (and continues); you do not listen.
How about I make it 30 pages just to p!ss you off


I understand that you don't like me personally, and that's okay. That doesn't mean that I'm not someone you can learn from.
 

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You asked me not to tag you. You want me to start tagging you again?
I asked you not to tag me if you're not going to listen to me when I come and reply. But what you did was throw a jab there, essentially to say, "trust me, he has problems".

When we did our second face time call, I asked you what were your goals with women. You said that you wanted to sleep with a lot of women. When I pressed you on why that is, you couldn't give me a straight answer.
You didn't "press" me...I've said time and time again on this forum that I like to sleep with a lot of women because I enjoy the variety without the attachments, difficulties, and obligations of a relationship.

Another time I asked you what was your vision for your coaching business, and what makes you passionate about what your doing. Again, couldn't give me a straight answer. You thought about it and tried to answer on the spot; obviously this is something you didn't ask yourself before.
Same thing here. I told you I wanted to help guys who don't have the proper guidance so they wouldn't have to figure it out on their own, the way I had to. You "pressed" me because I guess that wasn't a good enough answer for YOU. You seem to believe I need to have a grand vision, as if I'm going on a crusade to change the world.

Do you have a grand vision for your lawn business? Are you going to revolutionize the way your mowers cut grass? You think everything has to be deeper than it really is - as evidenced by your unwillingness to go on a date with a woman who wants to sleep with you because you want to dance...

As far as the neediness goes, I've seen and heard several times or more that you prioritize sleeping with women than doing things like making friends or having a sense of integrity. Again, my suggestion is to do some self-reflection.

I have a few good ones; I don't need more. I have no idea what you're talking about in terms of integrity.

I understand that you don't like me personally, and that's okay. That doesn't mean that I'm not someone you can learn from.
I don't dislike you personally, but you are an extremely frustrating individual. You supposedly want success with women, but when it's given to you, you'd rather dance...

If there's anything to learn from you, it's what NOT to do...
 

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I asked you not to tag me if you're not going to listen to me when I come and reply. But what you did was throw a jab there, essentially to say, "trust me, he has problems".



You didn't "press" me...I've said time and time again on this forum that I like to sleep with a lot of women because I enjoy the variety without the attachments, difficulties, and obligations of a relationship.



Same thing here. I told you I wanted to help guys who don't have the proper guidance so they wouldn't have to figure it out on their own, the way I had to. You "pressed" me because I guess that wasn't a good enough answer for YOU. You seem to believe I need to have a grand vision, as if I'm going on a crusade to change the world.

Do you have a grand vision for your lawn business? Are you going to revolutionize the way your mowers cut grass? You think everything has to be deeper than it really is - as evidenced by your unwillingness to go on a date with a woman who wants to sleep with you because you want to dance...




I have a few good ones; I don't need more. I have no idea what you're talking about in terms of integrity.



I don't dislike you personally, but you are an extremely frustrating individual. You supposedly want success with women, but when it's given to you, you'd rather dance...

If there's anything to learn from you, it's what NOT to do...
He's only dancing. Don't tell John though.

 
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Even professional psychiatrists are not supposed to diagnose someone from afar, let alone from an internet forum.
As an armchair psychologist, I can say with 100% certainty that you have Narcissistic Personality Disorder.
 

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If there's anything to learn from you, it's what NOT to do...
After getting a divorce with a woman who had been living with me for four years, I'd been out of the game for that long. I was under a lot of stress after COVID because I had almost lost everything that I worked for up until then. I had been out of the game for years and forgotten how to even talk to people. To make things more challenging, I no longer had a friend circle and lost my youthful appearance. My success with women before then had a lot to do with my situation that I no longer have. I had to learn everything learn (and still learning) everything from the ground up. You mentioned that passing your knowledge on how to be good with women was your motivation for your coaching business; I learned a few things from you too. However learning from basically scratch has been a blessing is disguise.

My motivation for being on this forum is to influence people. I don't like this mentality of where people think that success is beyond their control. I also want to see people become their more developed, independent selves. I want to see people think for themselves and not worship at the alter of some guru.

Recently I demonstrated that practicing open expression changed by mindset sufficiently enough to improve my text communications. That was the whole point. I showed anyone who read that open expression helped me with communication and that just because a woman kisses your feet, doesn't mean you have to like her in if she isn't your type. I gave her as much of a chance as I was willing to give her but she just wasn't my type.

Yet @BPH you had a problem with me rejecting her. Other people here were either amused or curious but you and @retardedautist2020 had a problem with that. That was your problem. I had every right to do what I did. Maybe this was you projecting neediness onto me. I can't answer that, that's why I suggested doing some journal work.

I don't take it personally that you don't follow my advice. Again, I get nothing out of your success or failure.

What annoys me is how often you ASK for my advice, then DON'T take it.

You say I'm not an authority figure, why? Because YOU need to understand the inner workings of my advice before you can take it? Do you need to fully understand how breathing works before you're willing to take in air? Do you need to know that the diaphragm contracts, pulls the rib cage up and outward, expanding your chest to create a vacuum that lowers the pressure in your lungs, during which air is sucked down through the trachea into your lungs?

Or do you just f***ing breathe?

You: "What's 5+5?"
Me: "10"
You: "Got it, so that must mean it's somewhere between 7 and 12"
I've said on this forum that you teach people how to treat you. This level of disrespect I get from you is my fault. I've talked a little bit with you but as you can see I didn't make this clear enough. I think I've slandered you once that I can think of, which was after you said this. How many times have you talked to me like this? At least a few.

Self development requires rational, independent thought. I've asked you a number of times questions like, "what is the essence of maturity?" I didn't get a good answer from you which led me to believe that you don't know the answer. The reason why my approach to how to interact with women and people in general is better than yours is because I seek to understand these concepts in their essence, with using my first hand experience and observations.


You didn't "press" me...I've said time and time again on this forum that I like to sleep with a lot of women because I enjoy the variety without the attachments, difficulties, and obligations of a relationship.

Same thing here. I told you I wanted to help guys who don't have the proper guidance so they wouldn't have to figure it out on their own, the way I had to. You "pressed" me because I guess that wasn't a good enough answer for YOU. You seem to believe I need to have a grand vision, as if I'm going on a crusade to change the world.
What I was looking for was a level of self-understanding and this level of honesty:

EDIT: My "neediness" problem is that I get a little outcome-dependent when I haven't been with anybody new in a while.
For example,

"My live mission is to promote the rational faculty because it is fundamental for human effectiveness."

A corollary of this statement is that as people learn practice their rational faculty, the better they integrate every aspect of themselves and become their own authorities. This is the opposite of your approach.

Here's another,

"I like women who have roughly the maturity of a 20 year old, because that's roughly in line with my relational maturity. My personal development throughout my life had been lopsided where my intellectual self matured faster than my ability to relate to people."
 

"How I Made Sure No Woman Ever Friend-Zoned Me Again"

She calls you when her car breaks down. When she needs help moving. When some guy she's actually dating treats her badly.

You're the listener. The reliable one. The guy who would treat her so much better, if she'd just open her eyes.

She won't. You trained her to see you as the low-effort option — the friend who requires zero risk and zero investment. Every favor dug the hole deeper.

The "22 Rules" break the pattern. You'll stop auditioning for a role she already cast and become the man she chases instead. It starts with Rule 1.

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