You paid for dinner. You drove. You said "whatever you want is fine" every single time. All the effort, no expectations.
And she left anyway — probably for a guy who makes her pick up the pizza.
Painful. Also predictable. Her mind quietly concludes that anything requiring zero effort from her is worth exactly zero. You became a free sample, and free samples get taken for granted.
The 22 Rules flip the dynamic. Small shifts that get her investing effort, money, and time in you — until SHE'S the one afraid of losing YOU.
You asked her if she wanted to grab coffee. Then you asked if the time worked. Then you asked if the place was okay. Then you asked if she'd prefer tea.
Four questions. Four chances for her to say no. Four signals that you're terrified of making a decision.
Plan it. Pick the place. Pick the time. Tell her where to meet you. She'll either show up or she won't.
Either way, you look like a man instead of a scared little boy.
This sounds nefarious.I'm going to do what I am going to do. If it doesn't work it doesn't work; lesson to me and everyone else here.
haha That's exactly it The Price is Right, except they spell it "Plinko"I'm not understanding what this relationship was based on. What country are you guys from? Did she need a green card or something?
I'm assuming you're Japanese because of your handle or is that to do with the Price is Right?
I'm very much interested in the thought process here and what the catalyst was. I slept with my wife on the third date I believe. I didn't marry her till like 3 years later.
This sounds nefarious.
Your buddy Dave has been single for three years and thinks "hey u up" is a valid strategy. Your other buddy Mike just got dumped and told you to "just be yourself."
You showed them her text. You asked them to decode the emoji. You drafted four responses and sent the screenshot to the group chat for a vote.
She's been waiting forty minutes.
Put the phone down. Stop crowdsourcing your love life. Type something that sounds like you. Hit send. Then go do literally anything else with your evening.
This is going to sound both pretty bad, but also good in a way too.No, I've been over the entire thread thrice. My wife and I are both interested in this. How long have you been married and what possessed you and her to do this? IF you did get married, what was the wedding like? How much did you spend, how much debt was incurred? Were your family's know to one another? What do her parents do? What religion is this?
appreciate the advice, but I don't have time to read a book right now.you have 600+ mssg so you have read and know most of the stuff already.
maybe she is a unicorn and will(can not) come alive with you until she feels the spark from you. your spark is out because you don't recognize the lust from her. she doesn't have it yet.
just saying, IMHO she is decent-looking.
photos of your exes are very different than her. maybe you see her as innocent and don't want to take her because.. (just an idea)
if you still excited for other women and just not for her then it's mental, not physical.
part of taking care of her is giving to her physically and in spirit. don't just take her, join with her.
if you have time and have not ever seen it check out the book by david deida the way of the superior man.
not sure where you are on your journey, but this could be the most exciting and fulfilling thing you have ever done. know deep she is not an Angel, she is a woman with all the energy and then some that the past ones you know had.
look for the spiritual connection with her, and grow it from that.
if can not find it, cut her free.
This is VERY important for all the young players here that eventually wanna get married or get into a serious LTR.I discovered that after banging slvts all my life that I don't feel sexually aroused with a boring woman, thus I'm having the problem that you see in this thread.
You've replayed it a hundred times. She stood three feet away, scrolling her phone. You had an opening. You composed the perfect line — after she was gone.
For all you know, she's married now. To some guy who said something. Anything.
Openers are cheap. Almost any sentence works when it's delivered within three seconds. The expensive part is the standing there, drafting and deleting, while the window quietly closes.
The "22 Rules" stripped out my hesitation. What to open with, how to keep it alive, and the one habit that costs guys more women than anything else: waiting for perfect.
Yes, 100% as I am learning the hard way now.This is VERY important for all the young players here that eventually wanna get married or get into a serious LTR.
We often talk about girls that has slept around a lot having pair bonding issues. Well for guys that sleep around a lot, I would say they might have potential sex bonding issues in a LTR/marriage situation. I see it all the time.
As they say, you can turn a housewife into a ho, but you can't turn a ho into a housewife.
OP, if you're not willing or able to turn your housewife into a ho then I'm afraid it's best that you split.
Have you talked to her about it and is she just not sexual(low libido) or just inexperienced? If the latter, it's fully on you.
Rich Cooper usually says that men love to complicate their lives and rationalize why they do it. This is what this feels like.
Why on earth did you give your ultimate, life changing commitment to a woman who didn't meet your basic needs? Because sex is a basic need for all men. This is not to point fingers, it's a valid question. I'm assuming you dated and vetted her for a while before you gave her the ring.
I've experienced the same. In my earlier blue pill days i had a hot gf that i wasn't really sexually craving and it was because of her personality, demands and off-putting behavior. It took a while for me to realise but behavior can make you turn your head away from an otherwise attractive woman.
This unfortunately only has one solution since your feelings for her will never change. Divorce her for both of your sake and never make the same mistake again. You can't be living like this. A woman absolutely needs to pass the boner test, that is fundamental.
I get it. You're like me, you're analytical, try to dissect everything and look for answers to why this is, which is good to a certain point. But desire is pretty simple and basic and we can clearly see that your desire for her was never there from the beginning. I'm not for dissolving an established marriage but somewhere you've to see the situation you're in for what it is and cut your losses.
What you need to do is get some sheets of A3 paper and put it on the bed.She met a checklist, and I looked at the situation as an obligation. Then I thought the only thing I have to do now is find her sexually attractive, which shouldn't be hard because she is good looking 'on paper.'
nah that wouldn't work either hahaWhat you need to do is get some sheets of A3 paper and put it on the bed.
Three seconds. That's how long it took. Your shoes. Your posture. The way you held your drink. Whether you looked at the floor or looked at her.
She already filed you away. Interesting. Boring. Safe. Bold. Before you even opened your mouth.
Everything you say after that is just her confirming what she already decided.
So stop rehearsing lines. Fix the first three seconds. Stand tall. Look up. Smile like you mean it. Walk like you belong wherever you're standing.
The words come later. The impression comes first.
I think the best thing to do would be to admit that you made a mistake and get divorced. It's better to do that now, rather than continue making bad decisions that will make you miserable for the rest of your life, such as getting her pregnant and mixing your assets.nah that wouldn't work either haha
I don't think that will do it. Tried things like that already. Having fun does not make me attracted to her physically.Maybe stop being so serious about the situation. Fix it, bring her coffee in the morning in bed. Makes you feel good and she will too. Go on dates. People need to like each other to have fun in the sack.
She looks like an innocent highschool girl.This is her
Yes, objectively her looks is not the problem.She looks like an innocent highschool girl.
That wouldnt be my type either. Leaving the still obvious question aside (WHY THE HELL DID YOU MARRY HER?!), the good news are, she is not ugly..... so a type change/change of style might fix a lot on her looks.
Attraction runs on a clock.
She flirted for weeks. Touched your arm. Found reasons to be alone with you. And you were careful. Respectful. Waiting for the right moment.
The moment had a shelf life. It expired around month two, and by the time you asked her out, she'd quietly filed you under "little brother."
One of the hardest lessons inside the 22 Rules: women rarely wait. Interest either grows or it decays, and nothing decays it faster than a man who never moves.
Make the move while she's still inventing reasons to be near you.