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[Cheeky_James]

So in my estimation looks are only 10% of the formula. That means its 90% everything else.

well not really.
As a guys looks determine wether he gets in the first door.. at all.

So you’re saying it’s 90% STATUS then.

woah . That’s a brutal black pill!

Maybe that’s the real truth of it

goes back to that famous old quote by Henry Kissinger.

“Power is the ultimate aphrodisiac “

yeah. He could well be right by the looks of it !

or Tony Montanas quote from Scarface

Very Interesting .. as my lil Brazilian mate totally had the Tony Montana power vibe going on.

 

[BeExcellent]

Well its not all that black pill really unless one chooses to be defeatist and view it that way. It explains why social circle is a good way to level up. A woman can get to know you even if you aren't the most "face" dude, and they will start to like you as they get to know you if you are a cool man with a good vibe.

Really that should be good news.

It also explains why how you groom yourself, how you dress, and how you maintain your physique all matter (and why the board here places so much emphasis on those things)....you as an individual have control over those things. Why not look your best in ways you can do that for yourself? It broadcasts that you look after yourself, and THAT (having the self discipline to look after yourself) is an attractive quality.

And back to what Atom Smasher said about how you make a woman feel....Look at The Duke for example. He is a great C&W dancer. Women LOVE to dance. Women LOVE men who can dance, because relatively few men bother to learn this skill. So if you can dance you can be physically close to women, and you can make them FEEL happy/excited/sexy/special etc. just by dancing! My accomplished seducer friend? Bad ass dancer. Nothing to do with looks although most men who dance are some level of fit.....

Why are motorcycles attractive? How it makes a person feel.
Ditto fast cars, ditto great bartenders, ditto great conversationalists, ditto charm.

You get very far irrespective of looks if you elicit a positive emotional response in people.

Charm & charisma is irrespective and independent of looks.

 

[Cheeky_James]

Well its not all that black pill really unless one chooses to be defeatist and view it that way. It explains why social circle is a good way to level up. A woman can get to know you even if you aren't the most "face" dude, and they will start to like you as they get to know you if you are a cool man with a good vibe.

Really that should be good news.

Yes social circle and particularly status in a social niche is a good strategy. I’ve talked about this another thread re Neil Strauss ‘ game ..and Solomon gave great tips on how a guy could do it.

It also explains why how you groom yourself, how you dress, and how you maintain your physique all matter (and why the board here places so much emphasis on those things)....you as an individual have control over those things. Why not look your best in ways you can do that for yourself? It broadcasts that you look after yourself, and THAT (having the self discipline to look after yourself) is an attractive quality.

This = LooksMaxxing.
which I’ve been advocating this whole thread and in other threads as the main strategy to get better results with women. not sure why you put a question mark in there for me. It’s my position.

And back to what Atom Smasher said about how you make a woman feel....Look at The Duke for example. He is a great C&W dancer. Women LOVE to dance. Women LOVE men who can dance, because relatively few men bother to learn this skill. So if you can dance you can be physically close to women, and you can make them FEEL happy/excited/sexy/special etc. just by dancing! My accomplished seducer friend? Bad ass dancer. Nothing to do with looks although most men who dance are some level of fit.....

Why are motorcycles attractive? How it makes a person feel.
Ditto fast cars, ditto great bartenders, ditto great conversationalists, ditto charm.

You get very far irrespective of looks if you elicit a positive emotional response in people.

These are Alpha traits / bad boy traits.
Leading (dance) and motorbikes ( alpha masculine)

Charm & charisma is irrespective and independent of looks.

no actually. They are not.
that’s the big fallacy here.

good looks + status , and charm and charisma are all tied together love,
because of the halo effect of good looks. And the positive bias toward good looks IRL leading to status . Which leads to charisma.
it is usually good looking people , who are referred to as charming and charismatic babe.
or powerful people.

you guys on here try to pry these elements apart and if they are separate entities - and there’s an underlying message the latter fhings can be improved on their own . Without the former .( good looks) the basis for it all.

but they can’t actually . Not significantly.
As to move the needle with women.

a mid looking guy or even ugly looking guy will struggle very much to accumulate ‘status’ IRL.

So it’s a fallacy (and bad strategy) to pick that out separately as something to be worked on and accumulated

it’s quite difficult to gain status and power IRL.
Obviously.

As everybody wants it.

The best looking people / most dominant people get the status automatically.

and that status is fought for .
Etc etc etc .

it’s an unrealistic strategy you guys are spooking here tbh.

A lesser looking dude would need to display bucketloads of charm tbh . Fvcktons of ‘charisma’ . Somehow. (How? Idk)
And even then. …if he could
It’s most likely still be a ‘no’ from the higher smv women. Cos he just doesn’t have the looks.

he’ll be framed as a ‘try hard’. He is just a guy acting above his obvious position. Determined mainly by his Looks.

Happens all the time tbh. And it’s a common phrase used by women towards such men.

“try hard”

 

[Plinco]

As is usually the case:

"Advice is seldom welcome; and those who need it the most, like it the least."

- Lord Chesterfield

I'll remember that when I give you advice

Yes social circle and particularly status in a social niche is a good strategy. I’ve talked about this another thread re Neil Strauss ‘ game ..and Solomon gave great tips on how a guy could do it.



This = LooksMaxxing.
which I’ve been advocating this whole thread and in other threads as the main strategy to get better results with women. not sure why you put a question mark in there for me. It’s my position.



These are Alpha traits / bad boy traits.
Leading (dance) and motorbikes ( alpha masculine)



no actually. They are not.
that’s the big fallacy here.

good looks + status , and charm and charisma are all tied together love,
because of the halo effect of good looks. And the positive bias toward good looks IRL leading to status . Which leads to charisma.
it is usually good looking people , who are referred to as charming and charismatic babe.
or powerful people.

you guys on here try to pry these elements apart and if they are separate entities - and there’s an underlying message the latter fhings can be improved on their own . Without the former .( good looks) the basis for it all.

but they can’t actually . Not significantly.
As to move the needle with women.

a mid looking guy or even ugly looking guy will struggle very much to accumulate ‘status’ IRL.

So it’s a fallacy (and bad strategy) to pick that out separately as something to be worked on and accumulated

it’s quite difficult to gain status and power IRL.
Obviously.

As everybody wants it.

The best looking people / most dominant people get the status automatically.

and that status is fought for .
Etc etc etc .

it’s an unrealistic strategy you guys are spooking here tbh.

A lesser looking dude would need to display bucketloads of charm tbh . Fvcktons of ‘charisma’ . Somehow. (How? Idk)
And even then. …if he could
It’s most likely still be a ‘no’ from the higher smv women. Cos he just doesn’t have the looks.

he’ll be framed as a ‘try hard’. He is just a guy acting above his obvious position. Determined mainly by his Looks.

Happens all the time tbh. And it’s a common phrase used by women towards such men.

“try hard”

Some of @BeExcellent 's wisdom is fun but she has all kinds of beliefs that aren't rooted in reason. Stop bringing yourself down by justifying yourself, you are not going to change her mind and I don't know if she's interested in having a discussion. See my thread here:

Self Improvement Is "Weird"

In my experience, the more independent minded I've become, the better my life had been. The more I've taken control for my own sake, the more I've re-shaped the world around me to fit my needs. The reason is straight forward. I know what my needs are more acutely than anyone else. I also...

www.sosuave.net

 

[BackInTheGame78]

I'll remember that when I give you advice



Some of @BeExcellent 's wisdom is fun but she has all kinds of beliefs that aren't rooted in reason. Stop bringing yourself down by justifying yourself, you are not going to change her mind and I don't know if she's interested in having a discussion. See my thread here:

Self Improvement Is "Weird"

In my experience, the more independent minded I've become, the better my life had been. The more I've taken control for my own sake, the more I've re-shaped the world around me to fit my needs. The reason is straight forward. I know what my needs are more acutely than anyone else. I also...

www.sosuave.net

Well if I want to learn how to mow a lawn properly, you'll be the first person I ask.

 

[BillyPilgrim]

Yes social circle and particularly status in a social niche is a good strategy. I’ve talked about this another thread re Neil Strauss ‘ game ..and Solomon gave great tips on how a guy could do it.



This = LooksMaxxing.
which I’ve been advocating this whole thread and in other threads as the main strategy to get better results with women. not sure why you put a question mark in there for me. It’s my position.



These are Alpha traits / bad boy traits.
Leading (dance) and motorbikes ( alpha masculine)



no actually. They are not.
that’s the big fallacy here.

good looks + status , and charm and charisma are all tied together love,
because of the halo effect of good looks. And the positive bias toward good looks IRL leading to status . Which leads to charisma.
it is usually good looking people , who are referred to as charming and charismatic babe.
or powerful people.

you guys on here try to pry these elements apart and if they are separate entities - and there’s an underlying message the latter fhings can be improved on their own . Without the former .( good looks) the basis for it all.

but they can’t actually . Not significantly.
As to move the needle with women.

a mid looking guy or even ugly looking guy will struggle very much to accumulate ‘status’ IRL.

So it’s a fallacy (and bad strategy) to pick that out separately as something to be worked on and accumulated

it’s quite difficult to gain status and power IRL.
Obviously.

As everybody wants it.

The best looking people / most dominant people get the status automatically.

and that status is fought for .
Etc etc etc .

it’s an unrealistic strategy you guys are spooking here tbh.

A lesser looking dude would need to display bucketloads of charm tbh . Fvcktons of ‘charisma’ . Somehow. (How? Idk)
And even then. …if he could
It’s most likely still be a ‘no’ from the higher smv women. Cos he just doesn’t have the looks.

he’ll be framed as a ‘try hard’. He is just a guy acting above his obvious position. Determined mainly by his Looks.

Happens all the time tbh. And it’s a common phrase used by women towards such men.

“try hard”

You can develop charisma with mid-tier looks

 

[Cheeky_James]

You can develop charisma with mid-tier looks

Thats a PUA myth imo.

Please provide some examples such persons.

 

[kavi]

I know this is true..IRL idk about online, but IRL facial expression the tension and relaxtion in the muscles the look the vibe the microexpression is most important, as i have found in females,so it must be so in men, and for me it works also, the inner energy controls the facial expression and energy and it can add quite a few points, say 3 points a person can go +- depending on expression, mannerisms, vibe etc

 

[Sega Genesis]

I’ve had 2 good dates also in this time - where I displayed the same personality/game , that the 2 women found a turn on and dates very successful.

My most recent new one (Monday) very much so. She was very ‘green light’ immediately.
Also, I told that chick the feedback/date report from the 3rd chick and she rolled her eyes & laughing at chicks comments.

Then an hour later gave me a BJ in her car.

CJ doesn't this^^ prove there is no magic "formula" that will guarantee a woman will feel chemistry with you?

Three woman, one didnt feel chemistry, two others DID! You behaved the exact same with all three! Your "game," your looks were the same

There is no rhyme or reason to any of this IME. Looksmaxxing etc. There are guys on this forum who have posted about going out wearing a Nike sweatshirt, jeans and baseball cap and they have pulled plenty of women!

I agree with it's about how a woman feels when she sees you, meets you and in your presence.

Not sure if such feelings can be manufactured by what he "does," for me personally when I notice a man "trying" to impress me or trying to create a feeling in me, it's a great big turn off. It comes off contrived and phony in many instances.

To me he lacks true confidence to just be himself and trust that's enough. If not, so be, he moves on

I will either feel it naturally and organically or I won't. He does NOT have to be the most attractive man in the room, he does not have to be a model or be wearing the perfect shoes, clothes, have the right hair etc. He doesn't even need to have a lot of charm or charisma!

What he needs to be is attractive to me, and yes I have my own standards which I won't bother listing because another woman might have a different list.

And I am not one to brag but I am considered quite attractive, depending on the guy and what attracts him. Whether he likes blondes or brunettea, light-skinned, dark-skinned, petite, tall etc. Like we've been saying it's all subjective.

My current boyfriend for example thinks I am a solid 10! No joke, even when I wake up in the morning! Lol

So it really has nothing to do with how beautiful a woman is, women are women, she either feels chemistry, that certain somethin somethin, sexual tension or she doesn't.

Don't try to force it CJ or find the magic sauce, just be you. Be the best you can be, if that means getting in better physical shape or getting a better haircut or whatever do it! For YOU. Women will notice but do it for you.

It's been said here when a chick is into you, you could do handstands in the middle of Fifth Avenue in NYC and she will think it's hilarious!

Another woman not feeling it will think you are obnoxious and be turned off.

That's how genuine attraction and chemistry works IME anyway and what I have observed outside this forum IRL.

$.02

 

[kavi]

Some younger women may be more into looks ebcause they are less experienced

 

[Gamisch]

Thats a PUA myth imo.

Please provide some examples such persons.

Well...gotta give it to ya...most threads die after 4 messages, but now everyone and his brother chimes in to address their 2 cents.. if only forum members had this energy for REALLY interesting and innovative topics..and yes thats me blaming all yall who keep feeding the troll but ignoring every other thread! Nobody learns nothing, and the thread is unreadable with lengthy posts that have zwro direction. A shame really..

Having said that. Jayz and Beyonce in her prime. Jayz is objectively ugly and Beyonce is/ was objectively beautiful.

Yes he is a billionaire but she is also filthy rich so that evens each other out..

Beyonce could literally date any male model or pretty actor. Yet she choose Jayz. Why? Because he's a charismatic mofo!

So logically you can apply this to any social settings where the man and woman are somewhat equal. Pretty female waitress and ugly male cook. Pretty cashier and ugly store manager. Pretty student and ugly student.

You are a troll and the forum keeps feeding you so..oh well..

 

[Mike32ct]

I would say that looks are automatically switched on all the time. A guy obviously doesn’t need anyone else’s permission or cooperation to turn them on.

However, in the absence of good looks…

Charisma/charm typically only applies if she’s willing to talk to the guy in the first place. Otherwise it is moot.

I suppose the only “workaround” irl would be to try to find some chick that either already knows you and chat her up or find a new chick willing to talk to you. This would establish social proof. (It still requires a female’s permission/cooperation, but I’ll leave that alone for now.)

One night I was at a bar. I was invisible/being ignored. Ok fine. Just eating my chicken wings and almost ready to call it a night. Almost over for wing-cels lol.

Then a new bartender chick started her shift. She recognized me. She was a former bottle girl at a club I frequented years before. She was excited to see me. We started talking and then she introduced me to this mixed set (2 girls 2 guys) near me. They ended up talking to me for an hour. One of the chicks was especially friendly. If the girls weren’t taken, I may have even had a chance with one of them.

Obviously that was a fortuitous “fluke,” but I’m guessing social proof (a form of status) is underrated.

 

[Rainman4707]

7

 

[Divorced w 3]

5.5 - looks extremely cheesy - couldn't even get a color photo - what is he hiding

 

[Sega Genesis]

He posted he never posted his pic. That Brazilian guy was a friend.

And no, never posted my pic on forum. Just an AI filtered selfie or two, to protect my privacy.

Could he be lying? Sure. Who knows. But that's what he posted.

 

[Divorced w 3]

He posted he never posted his pic. That Brazilian guy was a friend.



Could he be lying? Sure. Who knows. But that's what he posted.

Would you spend 135 posts worth of text (assume he's half) defending the looks of someone other than yourself? He's incredibly pained by his low rating here. I'm the best troll hunter this board has ever seen.

 

[Gamisch]

Would you spend 135 posts worth of text (assume he's half) defending the looks of someone other than yourself? He's incredibly pained by his low rating here. I'm the best troll hunter this board has ever seen.

Even worse; not posting your own pictures due to privacy reasons but feeling zero guilt about doxing your homie online...

I would literally punch my " friend" in the face if he did this to me.

 

[Sega Genesis]

Would you spend 135 posts worth of text (assume he's half) defending the looks of someone other than yourself? He's incredibly pained by his low rating here.

Well no I wouldn't spend even one post defending my own looks let alone anyone else's. So yeah that's definitely weird.

And I too wondered if that Brazilian guy was him. I'm just going by what he's posted that's all.

I do think he's insecure and lacks confidence, with him caring how he is 'rated' by others, seeking external validation etc. Women pick up on that and that can be a turn off!

I hope he can get over that and take steps to validate himself internally and find some peace!

 

[FlexpertHamilton]

I don't know what the hell is going on in this thread anymore.

rate:

ez 9/10 maybe even 9.5, that's assuming she has a good body though

i like her voice a lot too, wish more women would learn to speak with a calm, soft, and quiet voice instead of that manic high pitched shrieking and vocal fry

 

[Divorced w 3]

Well no I wouldn't spend even one post defending my own looks let alone anyone else's. So yeah that's definitely weird.

And I too wondered if that Brazilian guy was him. I'm just going by what he's posted that's all.

I do think he's insecure and lacks confidence, with him caring how he is 'rated' by others, seeking external validation etc. Women pick up on that and that can be a turn off!

I hope he can get over that and take steps to validate himself internally and find some peace!

Well you're a cutie so nothing to worry about.