Rate this guys face plz

[Cheeky_James]

So in my estimation looks are only 10% of the formula. That means its 90% everything else.

well not really.
As a guys looks determine wether he gets in the first door.. at all.

So you’re saying it’s 90% STATUS then.

woah . That’s a brutal black pill!

Maybe that’s the real truth of it

goes back to that famous old quote by Henry Kissinger.

“Power is the ultimate aphrodisiac “

yeah. He could well be right by the looks of it !

or Tony Montanas quote from Scarface

Very Interesting .. as my lil Brazilian mate totally had the Tony Montana power vibe going on.

 

[BeExcellent]

Well its not all that black pill really unless one chooses to be defeatist and view it that way. It explains why social circle is a good way to level up. A woman can get to know you even if you aren't the most "face" dude, and they will start to like you as they get to know you if you are a cool man with a good vibe.

Really that should be good news.

It also explains why how you groom yourself, how you dress, and how you maintain your physique all matter (and why the board here places so much emphasis on those things)....you as an individual have control over those things. Why not look your best in ways you can do that for yourself? It broadcasts that you look after yourself, and THAT (having the self discipline to look after yourself) is an attractive quality.

And back to what Atom Smasher said about how you make a woman feel....Look at The Duke for example. He is a great C&W dancer. Women LOVE to dance. Women LOVE men who can dance, because relatively few men bother to learn this skill. So if you can dance you can be physically close to women, and you can make them FEEL happy/excited/sexy/special etc. just by dancing! My accomplished seducer friend? Bad ass dancer. Nothing to do with looks although most men who dance are some level of fit.....

Why are motorcycles attractive? How it makes a person feel.
Ditto fast cars, ditto great bartenders, ditto great conversationalists, ditto charm.

You get very far irrespective of looks if you elicit a positive emotional response in people.

Charm & charisma is irrespective and independent of looks.

 

[Cheeky_James]

Well its not all that black pill really unless one chooses to be defeatist and view it that way. It explains why social circle is a good way to level up. A woman can get to know you even if you aren't the most "face" dude, and they will start to like you as they get to know you if you are a cool man with a good vibe.

Really that should be good news.

Yes social circle and particularly status in a social niche is a good strategy. I’ve talked about this another thread re Neil Strauss ‘ game ..and Solomon gave great tips on how a guy could do it.

It also explains why how you groom yourself, how you dress, and how you maintain your physique all matter (and why the board here places so much emphasis on those things)....you as an individual have control over those things. Why not look your best in ways you can do that for yourself? It broadcasts that you look after yourself, and THAT (having the self discipline to look after yourself) is an attractive quality.

This = LooksMaxxing.
which I’ve been advocating this whole thread and in other threads as the main strategy to get better results with women. not sure why you put a question mark in there for me. It’s my position.

And back to what Atom Smasher said about how you make a woman feel....Look at The Duke for example. He is a great C&W dancer. Women LOVE to dance. Women LOVE men who can dance, because relatively few men bother to learn this skill. So if you can dance you can be physically close to women, and you can make them FEEL happy/excited/sexy/special etc. just by dancing! My accomplished seducer friend? Bad ass dancer. Nothing to do with looks although most men who dance are some level of fit.....

Why are motorcycles attractive? How it makes a person feel.
Ditto fast cars, ditto great bartenders, ditto great conversationalists, ditto charm.

You get very far irrespective of looks if you elicit a positive emotional response in people.

These are Alpha traits / bad boy traits.
Leading (dance) and motorbikes ( alpha masculine)

Charm & charisma is irrespective and independent of looks.

no actually. They are not.
that’s the big fallacy here.

good looks + status , and charm and charisma are all tied together love,
because of the halo effect of good looks. And the positive bias toward good looks IRL leading to status . Which leads to charisma.
it is usually good looking people , who are referred to as charming and charismatic babe.
or powerful people.

you guys on here try to pry these elements apart and if they are separate entities - and there’s an underlying message the latter fhings can be improved on their own . Without the former .( good looks) the basis for it all.

but they can’t actually . Not significantly.
As to move the needle with women.

a mid looking guy or even ugly looking guy will struggle very much to accumulate ‘status’ IRL.

So it’s a fallacy (and bad strategy) to pick that out separately as something to be worked on and accumulated

it’s quite difficult to gain status and power IRL.
Obviously.

As everybody wants it.

The best looking people / most dominant people get the status automatically.

and that status is fought for .
Etc etc etc .

it’s an unrealistic strategy you guys are spooking here tbh.

A lesser looking dude would need to display bucketloads of charm tbh . Fvcktons of ‘charisma’ . Somehow. (How? Idk)
And even then. …if he could
It’s most likely still be a ‘no’ from the higher smv women. Cos he just doesn’t have the looks.

he’ll be framed as a ‘try hard’. He is just a guy acting above his obvious position. Determined mainly by his Looks.

Happens all the time tbh. And it’s a common phrase used by women towards such men.

“try hard”

 

[Plinco]

As is usually the case:

"Advice is seldom welcome; and those who need it the most, like it the least."

- Lord Chesterfield

I'll remember that when I give you advice

Yes social circle and particularly status in a social niche is a good strategy. I’ve talked about this another thread re Neil Strauss ‘ game ..and Solomon gave great tips on how a guy could do it.



This = LooksMaxxing.
which I’ve been advocating this whole thread and in other threads as the main strategy to get better results with women. not sure why you put a question mark in there for me. It’s my position.



These are Alpha traits / bad boy traits.
Leading (dance) and motorbikes ( alpha masculine)



no actually. They are not.
that’s the big fallacy here.

good looks + status , and charm and charisma are all tied together love,
because of the halo effect of good looks. And the positive bias toward good looks IRL leading to status . Which leads to charisma.
it is usually good looking people , who are referred to as charming and charismatic babe.
or powerful people.

you guys on here try to pry these elements apart and if they are separate entities - and there’s an underlying message the latter fhings can be improved on their own . Without the former .( good looks) the basis for it all.

but they can’t actually . Not significantly.
As to move the needle with women.

a mid looking guy or even ugly looking guy will struggle very much to accumulate ‘status’ IRL.

So it’s a fallacy (and bad strategy) to pick that out separately as something to be worked on and accumulated

it’s quite difficult to gain status and power IRL.
Obviously.

As everybody wants it.

The best looking people / most dominant people get the status automatically.

and that status is fought for .
Etc etc etc .

it’s an unrealistic strategy you guys are spooking here tbh.

A lesser looking dude would need to display bucketloads of charm tbh . Fvcktons of ‘charisma’ . Somehow. (How? Idk)
And even then. …if he could
It’s most likely still be a ‘no’ from the higher smv women. Cos he just doesn’t have the looks.

he’ll be framed as a ‘try hard’. He is just a guy acting above his obvious position. Determined mainly by his Looks.

Happens all the time tbh. And it’s a common phrase used by women towards such men.

“try hard”

Some of @BeExcellent 's wisdom is fun but she has all kinds of beliefs that aren't rooted in reason. Stop bringing yourself down by justifying yourself, you are not going to change her mind and I don't know if she's interested in having a discussion. See my thread here:

Self Improvement Is "Weird"

In my experience, the more independent minded I've become, the better my life had been. The more I've taken control for my own sake, the more I've re-shaped the world around me to fit my needs. The reason is straight forward. I know what my needs are more acutely than anyone else. I also...

www.sosuave.net

 

[BackInTheGame78]

I'll remember that when I give you advice



Some of @BeExcellent 's wisdom is fun but she has all kinds of beliefs that aren't rooted in reason. Stop bringing yourself down by justifying yourself, you are not going to change her mind and I don't know if she's interested in having a discussion. See my thread here:

Self Improvement Is "Weird"

In my experience, the more independent minded I've become, the better my life had been. The more I've taken control for my own sake, the more I've re-shaped the world around me to fit my needs. The reason is straight forward. I know what my needs are more acutely than anyone else. I also...

www.sosuave.net

Well if I want to learn how to mow a lawn properly, you'll be the first person I ask.

 

[BillyPilgrim]

Yes social circle and particularly status in a social niche is a good strategy. I’ve talked about this another thread re Neil Strauss ‘ game ..and Solomon gave great tips on how a guy could do it.



This = LooksMaxxing.
which I’ve been advocating this whole thread and in other threads as the main strategy to get better results with women. not sure why you put a question mark in there for me. It’s my position.



These are Alpha traits / bad boy traits.
Leading (dance) and motorbikes ( alpha masculine)



no actually. They are not.
that’s the big fallacy here.

good looks + status , and charm and charisma are all tied together love,
because of the halo effect of good looks. And the positive bias toward good looks IRL leading to status . Which leads to charisma.
it is usually good looking people , who are referred to as charming and charismatic babe.
or powerful people.

you guys on here try to pry these elements apart and if they are separate entities - and there’s an underlying message the latter fhings can be improved on their own . Without the former .( good looks) the basis for it all.

but they can’t actually . Not significantly.
As to move the needle with women.

a mid looking guy or even ugly looking guy will struggle very much to accumulate ‘status’ IRL.

So it’s a fallacy (and bad strategy) to pick that out separately as something to be worked on and accumulated

it’s quite difficult to gain status and power IRL.
Obviously.

As everybody wants it.

The best looking people / most dominant people get the status automatically.

and that status is fought for .
Etc etc etc .

it’s an unrealistic strategy you guys are spooking here tbh.

A lesser looking dude would need to display bucketloads of charm tbh . Fvcktons of ‘charisma’ . Somehow. (How? Idk)
And even then. …if he could
It’s most likely still be a ‘no’ from the higher smv women. Cos he just doesn’t have the looks.

he’ll be framed as a ‘try hard’. He is just a guy acting above his obvious position. Determined mainly by his Looks.

Happens all the time tbh. And it’s a common phrase used by women towards such men.

“try hard”

You can develop charisma with mid-tier looks

 

[Cheeky_James]

You can develop charisma with mid-tier looks

Thats a PUA myth imo.

Please provide some examples such persons.