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There is no risk. I used to be a lowly ranked person in the corporate world sleeping with highly ranked females. In your heart of hearts you know sexual tension is swimming all over the place.

Women are not some asexual robots we have to seduce lmao.

By the way most of you talk, it seems like no one is having casual sex.

But in the real world everyone is having casual sex.
I'm sure it works that way, when those women have the upper hand in the corporate world. But now flip it so that you're the high ranked male sleeping with low ranked females. One of them gets pissed at some point, your career is toast (they will accuse you of "abusing your power"). Granted, it's rare, but it does happen.

Anyways, I believe you are right about casual sex in general.
 

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Here is a guy who claims to have money, good job, and be physically appealing. Why doesnt he have any puss? Take a note of it, there are members in here who claim social status is a magnet for chicks. He is a high value, why is he single? No low or high value chick chasing Mr.OP.
Maybe because I have barely met any new women in the past 5 years?

For the Nth time, it's a personality/lifestyle and social circle issue. The whole discussion in this thread is supposed to center around if I should and how I should modify my lifestyle to come in contact with more women (and there have already been many great posts by several users, which I'm thankful for).

Some guys insist on making it a looks issue or a game issue - it's neither, it's simply a question of not being in contact with women enough.
 
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Maybe because I have barely met any new women in the past 5 years?

For the Nth time, it's a personality/lifestyle and social circle issue. The whole discussion in this thread is supposed to center around if I should and how I should modify my lifestyle to come in contact with more women (and there have already been many great posts by several users, which I'm thankful for).

Some guys insist on making it a looks issue or a game issue - it's neither, it's simply a question of not being in contact with women enough.
Tell me your year of birth.
 

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If you don't approach women they won't approach you. Women are passive and if you're just as passive as they are, nothing much will ever happen for you.
 

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If you don't approach women they won't approach you. Women are passive and if you're just as passive as they are, nothing much will ever happen for you.
I believe your song. Some women approach me. Some even hover around me.
 

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Interesting thought. I guess this could happen, and if it did, it would probably be a very satisfying experience.

In general, regarding escorts vs. dating women, I view it like this (oversimplified):
genuine desire from attractive (top 20%) women > escorts > genuine desire from 80% of women
so take the middle ground(according to this order of 'greater than' s) and be content/satisfied/satiated until I don't know when....
 

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His post is similar to that guy sanghelios, they have this internal value system that predominates their thinking that mostly has to do with just working and making money but is terribly boring to women
You are partly right, but it's not just making money and working. It's about being constantly occupied by things I care deeply about. I'm almost tormented by these things. In other words, I'm never "free". To an outsider, it probably looks very boring.

For example, I'm often home in the evenings, sitting quietly just reading a book, doing some programming on a computer, or trying to understand some stuff about work or life in general. An outsider (a woman, perhaps), would look at this in action and think "What a boring guy, he just stays in his home quietly at night. He must have such a boring life". In reality, my mind is racing as fast as it can. I'm often incredibly excited to go home from work and get to tackle things that have been on my mind. It's a strong drive to be a better version of myself tomorrow than I am today. It also applies to workouts and keeping physically fit.

Here's another way to look at it:
Imagine you forcefully take me to a party of some sort. I don't know anyone there. You say "go mingle with these people". I say "but I don't have anything in common with them". You say "just go, it'll be fun". I say "Look, I have at least three things in my mind that are bugging me and I want to work on them. On top of that, you made me miss a workout because of this. Unless you can point to me exactly how I can get something good out of this, I'm wasting my time."

I hope this helps to understand my situation a bit better.
 
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You are partly right, but it's not just making money and working. It's about being constantly occupied by things I care deeply about. I'm almost tormented by these things. In other words, I'm never "free". To an outsider, it probably looks very boring.

For example, I'm often home in the evenings, sitting quietly just reading a book, doing some programming on a computer, or trying to understand some stuff about work or life in general. An outsider (a woman, perhaps), would look at this in action and think "What a boring guy, he just stays in his home quietly at night. He must have such a boring life". In reality, my mind is racing as fast as it can. I'm often incredibly excited to go home from work and get to tackle things that have been on my mind. It's a strong drive to be a better version of myself tomorrow than I am today. It also applies to workouts and keeping physically fit.

Here's another way to look at it:
Imagine you forcefully take me to a party of some sort. I don't know anyone there. You say "go mingle with these people". I say "but I don't have anything in common with them". You say "just go, it'll be fun". I say "Look, I have at least three things in my mind that are bugging me and I want to work on them. On top of that, you made me miss a workout because of this. Unless you can point to me exactly how I can get something good out of this, I'm wasting my time."

I hope this helps to understand my situation a bit better.
I fully understand your situation and truth be told I'm actually pretty similar in my core personality. I'm introverted and intellectual. I had to change my activities quite a bit to create a life that was more exciting and attractive to women though. sometimes these activities are self-destructive like going to clubs and bars and things. Sometimes I'll spend an entire weekend chasing women directly (dating, clubbing) or indirectly (building social circles and hobbies I don't care for) and show up to work on Monday exhausted and lacking actual recreation of my mental state. it is what it is I guess.
 

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OP, I admire your attitude. You're true to yourself, something I always preach around here but that's not always easy in practice. It sounds like your mindset is strong.

I'm going to echo what others have said here, which is that in order to meet women you'll have to put yourself in environments where they hang out. It doesn't have to be a bar, although even if it is you can still go and drink a Coke.

Since you have such a structured lifestyle, I think the best way for you to approach this is simply as another project, like your side business or your workouts. You can devote between zero and X amount of hours on cultivating your social circle to include more women. Adjust your schedule and just add it to your "to do" list. That way it won't seem like a pointless activity but something you're actively working on.

The good news is that with your mindset, if you simply place yourself in settings with more females, you'll probably do very well. Most women will be intrigued not only by your success but by your personal code and that you're not eager to bend your rules just for pu$$y. There will be no need for you to "try to impress" her because she'll be impressed just getting to know you. And as long as you're upfront about your desires (without being blunt or making her feel slvtty) you won't have to commit to anything long term.
I always liked the analogy of treating improving with women like going to the gym. You have to do the "workouts" (approach and talk to women) even if you don't always feel like it, or you won't get any results. Logging the amount of hours, or approaches or whatever that you do lets you treat it logically, track your progress like you would a good workout routine, and therefore get the results you want.
 

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OP has no game
OP doesn't want to learn game
OP thinks is successful, is not
OP don't get it
OP wont reproduce
OP gene disappear. Next.
 

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With age, I've become increasingly straightforward with women. I call their bs all the time at workplace. I've now reached a point where if I were to go out with a nice girl, I might just say "Look, I'm not going to go through the traditional dating ritual. I like you and want to take you to my place and ****. Just say no if you don't want to do that, and we save a lot of time." Yeah...that's not going to go well, and since that's about the most effort I'm able to put into dating games at this age, I've figured I should just give up?
That's the crux of the problem. It's your vibe, not your looks (bald...ridiculous suggestion, you go tell Jason Statham that baldness is a hindrance to getting women) or height (5ft9). Your current vibe is only suited, as you yourself suspected, for escorts. Trying to go to pubs, cafes or some other places you don't go just to meet women won't work...beside your current vibe that already repels them, you'll have the extra 'WTF am I doing here, wish I was somewhere else' subtle look on you.
 

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With age, I've become increasingly straightforward with women. I call their bs all the time at workplace. I've now reached a point where if I were to go out with a nice girl, I might just say "Look, I'm not going to go through the traditional dating ritual. I like you and want to take you to my place and ****. Just say no if you don't want to do that, and we save a lot of time." Yeah...that's not going to go well, and since that's about the most effort I'm able to put into dating games at this age, I've figured I should just give up?
That's the crux of the problem. It's your vibe, not your looks (bald...ridiculous suggestion, you go tell Jason Statham that baldness is a hindrance to getting women) or height (5ft9). Your current vibe is only suited, as you yourself suspected, for escorts. Trying to go to pubs, cafes or some other places you don't go just to meet women won't work...beside your current vibe that already repels them, you'll have the extra 'WTF am I doing here, wish I was somewhere else' subtle look on you.
I agree with @pipeman84 that the vibe is the primary problem. It's quite difficult to get straight to sex without dealing with some of the bullshiit of the human mating rituals established by cultural norms.

It is possible to build it and not get attention. It is getting more and more difficult for men to get attention. At the gyms, most women are wearing earbuds on the general gym floor and it's difficult to approach women wearing earbuds. The earbud problem is even worse if you're trying to do approaches on walking paths. Parks can also have the earbud problem. Grocery stores and malls have less of an earbud problem but even getting women's attention for a conversation of longer than 1 minute in those venues can be a challenge. Getting attention on swipe apps is also difficult with ratios.

I think a lot of men have problems in getting attention, no matter whether they use tech-assisted methods or in-person approaching.

I'm betting that you have an IQ over 140. The logical analytical types aren't typically seductive traits to women. When I experience dry spell, I down a few drinks (I'd swear that it temporary lowers the IQ by at least 20 points). As a result, I find that getting laid is much *much* easier.
High IQ is one of the worst traits for getting laid. Look at all of the STEM guys who are incels. In the US, there are tons of academically gifted men who can't get laid.
 
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I agree with @pipeman84 that the vibe is the primary problem. It's quite difficult to get straight to sex without dealing with some of the bullshiit of the human mating rituals established by cultural norms.

It is possible to build it and not get attention. It is getting more and more difficult for men to get attention. At the gyms, most women are wearing earbuds on the general gym floor and it's difficult to approach women wearing earbuds. The earbud problem is even worse if you're trying to do approaches on walking paths. Parks can also have the earbud problem. Grocery stores and malls have less of an earbud problem but even getting women's attention for a conversation of longer than 1 minute in those venues can be a challenge. Getting attention on swipe apps is also difficult with ratios.

I think a lot of men have problems in getting attention, no matter whether they use tech-assisted methods or in-person approaching.



High IQ is one of the worst traits for getting laid. Look at all of the STEM guys who are incels. In the US, there are tons of academically gifted men who can't get laid.
if you want to get laid you have to do social stuff

going out to grab a coffee at the cafe , walking a bit . Making eye contact with strangers , etc etc

if you are autistic and only do stuff that are non social women will not magically jump on you … no matter how amazing you are

I was sick for like 2 weeks , guess what … I became quite accustomed to not seeing people and took me maybe 1 week to get back somehow to normal
 

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THe problem you're facing is you "built it" according to what society tells you SHOULD attract females.

Unfortunately, all that stuff you have (physique, good paying job, etc.) is irrelevant when it comes to arousal. The stuff you have attracts women, but unless your arousing to them, you'll continue to beat your head against a wall. What you need to do is start developing an organic dominance in your conversations w/ females. You need to learn how to use your body language to communicate to women non-verbally that you're high value and have your pick of the litter w/ females.

Why do you think there are extremely hot women who are caught up on dudes who by all external appearances don't have much to offer? It's because these guys are actual alphas. It's in how they speak to women, how they look at them, how they communicate, etc.

That's the stuff you need to focus on. There are a ton of rich, good looking dudes who have ZERO success with females. Other than of course being used for cash, gifts and emotional tampons.
I actually know guys. No job, smoke, drunk every weekend, but they dont care. They walk up to a chick, touch her, grab her, kiss her and just go for the kill. They f*ck 3-4 differtent girls every weekend. Just because they go for the girl in a dominant way.
 

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if you want to get laid you have to do social stuff
What about the earbud problem for the guys that leave the house and desire to do approaches on parks, paths, and at the gym?
 

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What about the earbud problem for the guys that leave the house and desire to do approaches on parks, paths, and at the gym?
@TheGambino has a point

if she likes you , she will take them off . If she does not like you , she will ignore you

but she would have ignored even without them on
 

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Here is the issue I see...you seem to be taking this dating stuff too serious...like when you are on a date are you actually vibing and having fun with the woman and making her feel good or are you trying to analyze what every little thing means...if she sits next to you, if she is touching you, etc etc etc?

I kinda see you being in your own head and not having fun on dates. That's not going to work very well most of the time...you are going to come off as top serious and the type of guy they probably don't want to see again.
 

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if you want to get laid you have to do social stuff

going out to grab a coffee at the cafe , walking a bit . Making eye contact with strangers , etc etc

if you are autistic and only do stuff that are non social women will not magically jump on you … no matter how amazing you are

I was sick for like 2 weeks , guess what … I became quite accustomed to not seeing people and took me maybe 1 week to get back somehow to normal
Absolutely! Join meetups and do the complete opposite of what the dudes are doing
 
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