Almost got into a fight

[TheGambino]

Never ever fight over a girl You just met. Hell I would only fight for her if she proved her worth. Raising my kids or invested in another big thing that improved me

 

[Julian]

See above.

Guns do not make societies safer.

No one here is arguing that guns make societies safer. What im arguing is i would rather carry a pistol in a violent world then not.

Humans by nature will always find easy pr unique ways to cause harm to one another. And criminals will use whatever weapons are at their disposal. Legally carrying a firearm is just ensuring your personal safety. Rather have it an not need it then need it an not have it.

All in all lets revert back to the op. Say im at the club with my girl and 6 thugs are getting froggy and ready to stomp my life out of me. In that situation i pull my girl to the side and make a move to get away. If dudes continued to threaten, well thats when the gentlemen smith an wesson come into play. Yeah thats the inner clint coming out again.

Your argument is guns dont make a society safer, well neither does lack of guns.

 

[ChristopherColumbus]

That's true.

But you see, I don't really use any other place to meet girls in person. My current method is to hunt in the club's on weekends, then go online dating during weekdays.

I just think girls are less inhibited due to alcohol in clubs, and it's night so you can get them to kiss, dance or go home with you too because it's the right time to do that sort of thing.

I just can't see myself pulling a girl easily during the day, or during a salsa class, because what if she is just busy or only into learning how to dance and not trying to meet guys?

Plus I'm not sure dating someone from work is a good idea.

My point is, what other alternatives do I have?

I avoid clubs... and only go to a bar occasionally [too old for that stuff].

But what I noticed last year, whilst I was still a youngster, was that often women would be the ones to instigate aggression between men. There have been a few times when a lady has made eyes, and I've in turn made conversation, only to have some guy coming out of leftfield claiming to be her boyfriend. Yeah, right you think... I wasn't born yesterday! But then he comes back and physically hauls her away... ha ha.

The alternative? Just be a cheerful guy going about your business, and respond when those moments of mutual attraction come along.

 

[sosousage]

Check this one.

If not these smart professors that build flaky rockets on purpose we wouldnt avoid nuclear war!

 

[Julian]

@Fruitbat

Its a moot point. You will never know what its like to be an American. Stay where you are and keep living in your bubble as your country slowly hangs itself.

 

[sosousage]

You haven't answered my point. It's supposed to make your society safer, and it's evident it doesn't. People are still fighting in clubs.

I think there's been 5 or 6 acid attacks in the UK in the past year.

If concealed carry doesn't stop club fights, it's not going to stop committed jihadists.

I am a Brexit voter and vote UKIP who are a party who mainly campaign against progressives and political correctness.

Not even the far right in this country campaign for gun ownership. You aren't allowed them for self defence, However, I think allowing them for this purpose in remote, rural areas under strict control wouldn't be a bad thing.

I also support US rights to own guns - the US has historically had gun ownership and there is nothing you can do to fix it. Handing in guns would be pointless as you are an armed society and criminals would keep theirs. The only thing I object to, is holding on to the belief that gun ownership is "safer" because it isn't -every stat in the book says it isn't. It may be more moral, aimed at stopping government tyranny etc etc etc....but when shooting happen and some inbred bumpkin shouts "well, if all the kids in that classroom had guns this wouldn't have happened"....THAT is what I, and most people with a sanity chip, take offence to,

O yeah I had to leave UK because of brexit P dayum

 

[marmel75]

Some guys go out intentionally looking for a fight, especially when they have their "crew" with them. Don't see what else you were suppose to do, it wouldn't have really mattered,he would have used anything as an excuse to start some sh1t

 

[marmel75]

But OP and people above are describing a far more violent nightclub life than UK clubs. Fights happen, of course, but they are rare, depending on where you go. Only the roughest clubs, generally black music (no racism, just fact), have people fighting often.

I'm just saying the deterrent doesn't seem to work.

Yeah in the US people have gone crazy...they will kill you for any reason or no reason.

 

[Julian]

I would love to visit the states. I also love it here. It's a big wide world, I'd advise leaving the farm in Alabama for a weekend. Your sister won't mind

I know your being cheeky but im going to answer seriously.

I would much rather live on a farm in Alabama then anywhere in the UK. Whats wrong with owning a plot of land, being self sufficient, having a huge space to do whatever you like and owning your own piece of the world? If anything most people out in the hood and in the ghetto dream of escaping their reality and attaining the likes of which you are mocking. Farmers in the US are the bread and butter and are LOADED with cash. The last time I went to pick up some gold coins, there was a farmer in literal overalls buying 80k cash worth of gold bullion.

You think being crammed into some chit city space with a million scumbags is some kind of great thing? with prices of rent skyrocketing in the UK and jobs becoming more scarce..with a rising lower class and an increase in foreigners taking over your streets violently. the political climate changing and the UK is literally the blueprint for BIG BROTHER...cctv on every corner, chavs running amok all over. And guess what you are on a tiny island the size of Wisconsin, where the fuk you gonna go? Lol so yeah i would choose an Alabama farm over wherever you are living any day of the week, mate.


and your argument is completely void. You can say the USA has higher gun violence, which it does because we have guns, duh...but violence in general would be about the same because if its not the gun, its the knife, or the bat, or as has been done recently...a vehicle. The only thing guns do is level the playing field. LOL you seriously think criminals are worried about catching cases? If that was the case there wouldnt be so many rapes. And most rapes are not performed at gunpoint even in the USA.

But the UK's violent crime index is way higher when compared pound for pound. But the problem with the UK is that they wont make it a violent crime even if there is one, there will be lesser charges that they purposefully categorize it as something non violent so as to pad the stats. thats just a simple fact.

It makes no sense to say guns make a society more violent. go to certain african countries where people are getting killed en masse with MACHETES.

You are using a weak, indoctrinated, nonsensical and illogical argument. There will ALWAYS be killers, murderers, rapists, thieves and flat out evil people out to kill hurt mame and torture people for whatever reason they have. Thats a fact dude. So your telling me in a world of chit like we have on planet earth, you would rather NOT carry something thats intended to save the life of you, your loved ones, and the innocent who are near? And that reason you would NOT want to carry that is because criminals have access to it as well? That makes no sense dude. You need to rethink where you are coming from.

 

[Julian]

@Fruitbat

keep staying plugged into the matrix stats do not lie? guess you arent familiar with much literature huh

"Lies, damned lies, and statistics" is a phrase describing the persuasive power of numbers, particularly the use of statistics to bolster weak arguments. It is also sometimes colloquially used to doubt statistics used to prove an opponent's point.

The term was popularised in United States by Mark Twain (among others), who attributed it to the British Prime Minister Benjamin Disraeli: "There are three kinds of lies: lies, damned lies, and statistics."

ok lets step into the real world for a second and away from numbers in an article. i hope it doesnt happen to you ever because i dont believe in wishing ill will on anyone ever but next time if you are ever in a life threatening situation and getting potentially killed by some scumbag assailant in your country i want you to think about this thread and your vehement statistical arguments against gun ownership.

and like i said its all moot anyway because you cannot carry in your area anyway, but i really wish you would re think your stance instead of regurgitating weak talking points you would hear pierce morgan say

 

[TheMonkeyKing]

Most guys who hang around in big groups do so because they are weak, at least mentally/emotionally. There may be one or two leaders of the pack, but even they are relatively weak, relying on the validation of the rest of the pack, compared to a guy out on his own.

I've had a very similar thing happen to me before, and especially this kind of behavior does signify weakness/jealousy, if there aren't many other females around. I did the same thing and just removed us from the situation. There's not a lot else you can do. No one man is going to take on six others, unless he's Bruce Lee or Chuck Norris or some shi!t.

This is why it's good to body build a bit, regardless of height. Other guys actually comment on my 'stocky' stature these days or call me 'big guy', since I started lifting properly.

 

[Julian]

@Fruitbat

Nahh i dont agree. I prefer my rhetoric to yours, mr tea an crumpet

 

[Masculinity]

I was in the club recently. Happened to see a girl check me out.

I step over to her. We dance and make out, no big deal.

But at some point when we were together, a group of about 6 guys, all looking around 6 ft 2 and 200 lbs, circled us as some type of joke. They were squeezing us in their circle. They were laughing as a way to make fun of the fact that we were all over eachother.

She was pretty hot, and id imagine they did this because they were low-key jealous and wanted to be a ****block.

I basically broke their circle formation around us by pushing one of them aside. The guy got mad and was prepared to throw some punches. Luckily his friends stopped it all before it escalated. I then carried on making out with the girl.

Even though things went fine, I might have got my head caved in if unlucky. Did I handle it the way you would have?

This situation also sheds light on the fact that how low-key jealous a lot of guys are of other guys when it comes to women...

Pepper spray is your friend.

 

[Asasione]

Third world countries just fight and then at some point randomly stop and walk away. Then the two dudes respect each other more and might even become friends lol

They fight until someone is knocked out, too injured to continue or bouncers/police/some authority figure comes and stops the fight forcibly (ends with someone either in jail or kicked out of the club)

 

[Von]

You think anyone here actually likes Piers Morgan? I don't agree with him at all - I want you to keep your guns because you live in a more violent land, like I would advise Afghanis to keep their AK47s.

Dude, if you don't use facts, you are basing your facts on your opinion. You are deeming it a weak argument based on the fact you purly disagree. You amount of stuff you have said which is pure hearsay - there is more violent crime in Britain, we are living in a police state, we are over run with chavs, islamic extremists. This is all just shyt you've seen on the TV and come to conculsions on, because it reinforces your worldview. You haven't countered anything with any evidence because you haven't any, and you're now quoting vague bits of Mark Twain because you have nothing else, other than general prejudices about the UK and Europe which you clearly don't know a lot about.

I have agreed with you on some things which we lack here. Yes, housing is a problem. We have lots of problems. All I have done is made a sound argument for the statistical reality that guns do not make societies safer - no more, no less. You pulled this into riddiculous places by having a pop at all things UK, and actually living here, it's obvious you have just bought a load of pictures from the television. I've not tried telling you false realities of where you live, on many levels I love the USA. I am just making the sole point that gun owndership doesn't make societies safer. it might make individual incidents safer. it might be a moral point for you. I live here, and the picture you have painted, or have painted, is false, and saying that I don't understand because I am plugged in is very similar to feminists saying you don't get the patriachy because you;re a part of it, indoctrinated.

Just concede the point that the US is demonstrably more dangerous as a citizen, and all of this could have been avoided. However, the one thing I will cast as an unproven suspision is that your argument is coming from a misplaced sense of patriotism, rather than sound reasoning.

You can't argue with an American especially one who lives in the rural areas that Gun are not safe keepers

I am in Canada, so we are like the UK.... but all our rural guys want guns... it make sense when they have to wait 3 hours for the police to show up or use the gun to protect live stock from little wolfs

Now, what doesn't make sense is the same americans living in sub-urban, rural, cities.... saying gun will secure them and their freedom, make things safe....

Guns scare the **** out of people.. so yeah... no one will pull a gun fearing every body has a gun.... but than... it happens ALL THE TIME in USA...

Americans are more aggressive than the average, they tend to be more bold too.....if you put alcohol.... well we know alcohol affect behaviour... also, if you think that they think you have a gun... they might get scared and pull the gun in response

Why is America having more school shooting? Police violence (there was a deaf guy killed by a cop because he wasnt hearing the yells) ? etc...

There is alot of poverty in the USA, I remember walking in neighborhood that gave me the creep and you think : They all have guns... poverty increase violence

Guns are easier to find than candy over there.... Americans joins Switzerland, Russia, Albania with guns/per habitants statistic

Also, any mentally ill persons can find a gun at Wal-Mart easily

In Canada and UK, we have Laws, we have a system... that makes guns extremely rare, hard to find, quite visible... in Canada, you are allowed guns with a permit of conceal and carry.... if you are found with a gun without a license... its straight jail time

Yet we have NO ISSUES. Americans are a culture of violence.... we are more passive

However, every facts shows that they do have a gun issue, gun violence problem, poverty problems... They defend their right to arms yet they have the most gun death related situation.

Now, descalating a fight is the best way to win it

 

[sosousage]

Good points Von.

I totally agree in ANY county, if you live 3 hours from police wanting a gun is perfectly normal behaviour.

Every single stat in the book shows gun ownership makes societies more violent.

There have even been studies showing that if it's kept away from ammo, the violence chance decreases. If it's kept in a cabinet, it decreases again. If the cabinet is locked, it decreases again. Imagine the risk if you are allowed one in your pocket in a nightclub. Imagine how paranoid you must be to walk around with a firearm. Either that, or you are paranoid for a good reason -because your society is violent and dangerous as fvck.

Personally, I love guns as a thing. I own 3 air rifles and a ton of bb handguns! I would love to shoot rifles and I have been shotgun (clay pigeon) shooting many times, every weekend for a year or so. Allowing toothless Dave down the road to buy a gun is retarded, frankly.

yee man you imagine that Grand Theft Auto Real Life

 

[ImTheDoubleGreatest!]

They fight until someone is knocked out, too injured to continue or bouncers/police/some authority figure comes and stops the fight forcibly (ends with someone either in jail or kicked out of the club)

That’s exactly what I’m saying. You’re gonna be really fvcked up if you get into a fight over here. And lots of times they’ll use weapons on you too by grabbing stuff from nearby.

You can't argue with an American especially one who lives in the rural areas that Gun are not safe keepers

I am in Canada, so we are like the UK.... but all our rural guys want guns... it make sense when they have to wait 3 hours for the police to show up or use the gun to protect live stock from little wolfs

Now, what doesn't make sense is the same americans living in sub-urban, rural, cities.... saying gun will secure them and their freedom, make things safe....

Guns scare the **** out of people.. so yeah... no one will pull a gun fearing every body has a gun.... but than... it happens ALL THE TIME in USA...

Americans are more aggressive than the average, they tend to be more bold too.....if you put alcohol.... well we know alcohol affect behaviour... also, if you think that they think you have a gun... they might get scared and pull the gun in response

Why is America having more school shooting? Police violence (there was a deaf guy killed by a cop because he wasnt hearing the yells) ? etc...

There is alot of poverty in the USA, I remember walking in neighborhood that gave me the creep and you think : They all have guns... poverty increase violence

Guns are easier to find than candy over there.... Americans joins Switzerland, Russia, Albania with guns/per habitants statistic

Also, any mentally ill persons can find a gun at Wal-Mart easily

In Canada and UK, we have Laws, we have a system... that makes guns extremely rare, hard to find, quite visible... in Canada, you are allowed guns with a permit of conceal and carry.... if you are found with a gun without a license... its straight jail time

Yet we have NO ISSUES. Americans are a culture of violence.... we are more passive

However, every facts shows that they do have a gun issue, gun violence problem, poverty problems... They defend their right to arms yet they have the most gun death related situation.

Now, descalating a fight is the best way to win it

Good points Von.

I totally agree in ANY county, if you live 3 hours from police wanting a gun is perfectly normal behaviour.

Every single stat in the book shows gun ownership makes societies more violent.

There have even been studies showing that if it's kept away from ammo, the violence chance decreases. If it's kept in a cabinet, it decreases again. If the cabinet is locked, it decreases again. Imagine the risk if you are allowed one in your pocket in a nightclub. Imagine how paranoid you must be to walk around with a firearm. Either that, or you are paranoid for a good reason -because your society is violent and dangerous as fvck.

Personally, I love guns as a thing. I own 3 air rifles and a ton of bb handguns! I would love to shoot rifles and I have been shotgun (clay pigeon) shooting many times, every weekend for a year or so. Allowing toothless Dave down the road to buy a gun is retarded, frankly.

yee man you imagine that Grand Theft Auto Real Life

Now I will answer/refute all 3 of your points right now.

1997 North Hollywood Shootout. If you think that could ever happen in a pro-gun state like Texas then you’re an idiot.

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[ImTheDoubleGreatest!]

Do you think that 31% of all the worlds mass shootings happening in the USA has anything to do with being able to buy guns at Walmart?

Last mass shootings inUK

Cumbria shootings 2010 - 12 dead
Dunblane massacre 1996 - 18 dead.

So that's 2 in the last 21 years.

You have to be fvcking stupid if you think having gun ownership would have meant less would have occurred. Religious-level ignorance of facts to think one anecdotal scenario disproves that. Seriously.

School shootings alone - ignoring others, have killed 25 since 2015 in the USA.

If only there were more guns, that would solve it.

Let’s put it this way. If you are pro gun, you are less likely to get killed in a firefight. If you are anti gun, then you are. Why? Because the other person has one while you do not. Simple enough? It should be common sense.

 

[ImTheDoubleGreatest!]

Yes but I don't live in a land where people have them!

Imagine a world where nobody, almost nobody, had a gun. Where the slightest hint of a firefight had so much police attention, even the hardest criminals were afraid to use them, for fear of the incredible heat from the cops. Imagine most people not even knowing how to use one, and even medium level criminals not using them. Imagine having one shootout per city per year (city I live in has about one firearm murder per year - yet we still have crime)

THAT is point I am making. In the USA of course, have a gun. BUT the system is a poor one in retrospect and should be considered a mistake - because the one thing that still holds is the notion that citizens NEED guns to stop governemnt tyranny. Given Europe is generally more easy going on it's citizens than the US, in many ways (less so in others), it doesn't stand up,. Plus, if Arab militaries can't beat the US army with T72 tanks and air support, how are 9MM pistols and select fire assault rilfes?

Okay here is the difference. The US has about 2.1 million soldiers right? Now compare that with the other 320 million people. Now imagine if all 320 million had guns. It can be a war of attrition should it ever come to that. In this case, they may have more firepower BUT we have more manpower. When the PEOPLE riot, then they cannot be stopped because there is just so many of them. Not to mention there will be mutinies and the sort. The system is set up in a stupid way. But it is the best possible way. You have a small island that you live on and only have to worry about that one island. We have a much higher population than you do. Plus, we are a much bigger target to be attacked by because we are hated so much more. Take away the guns from the people, and you are left with a mess. Guns are still. EXTRAORDINARILY easy to get too. Even though they’re illegal, you can still buy it online and have it shipped to your house. It’s called TOR.

 

[sosousage]

Okay here is the difference. The US has about 2.1 million soldiers right? Now compare that with the other 320 million people. Now imagine if all 320 million had guns. It can be a war of attrition should it ever come to that. In this case, they may have more firepower BUT we have more manpower. When the PEOPLE riot, then they cannot be stopped because there is just so many of them. Not to mention there will be mutinies and the sort. The system is set up in a stupid way. But it is the best possible way. You have a small island that you live on and only have to worry about that one island. We have a much higher population than you do. Plus, we are a much bigger target to be attacked by because we are hated so much more. Take away the guns from the people, and you are left with a mess. Guns are still. EXTRAORDINARILY easy to get too. Even though they’re illegal, you can still buy it online and have it shipped to your house. It’s called TOR.

isnt TOR spied by CIA in USA anyway