"So, What Do You Do for Fun?"

She asks it casually, mid-sip. And you feel the floor open up, because the honest answer is work, gym, and a couple shows you're half-watching.

Women rarely say this out loud, but a man with a life is attractive before he says a word. The guy who spent Saturday deep-sea fishing and came back with photos and a story — he walks in already interesting.

The "22 Rules" pushed me to build a life worth talking about. Turns out the fastest way to be interesting to women is to be interested in your own life first.

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There are a lot of information discussing masturbation in this forum.

BUT this is not a ****ing discussion this is a CHALLENGE for those of us that are at home in quarentine during the virus situation and for one reason or another have returned to watch porn and fap like brainless monkeys.

QUICK BACKGROUND info:

In my other thread: How to get from 20 years old virgin to successful DonJuan?
Where I explain my development towards that goal.

The GOAL in this thread: DESTROY OUR FAPPING AND PORN ADDICTION.

In order to achieve that, I challenge all of you and myself to post in this thread every single day at 21:00h (whenever that is in your time zone).
The format will be:

No fap goal in days:
Achieved days:
Max strike:
Something you did instead of fapping:
(e.g. workout, take photos, write articles, read books, play instrument, do homework, do chores etc)

If you want you can post that here too.

Well there you have it. If any of you such as @EyeOnThePrize that has written about no fapping in the past,
have any ideas or suggestions they are more than welcomed!

Take care,
MessedUpLearner.
 

"She's Out of Your League"

You've said it a hundred times. Maybe a thousand. And every time you say it, you train your brain to freeze the next time she walks into the room.

Leagues are a myth invented by guys who are scared of women.

She's a person. She has bad breath in the morning. She picks songs she can't sing in the shower. She overthinks her own texts.

Walk over. Say something. The league dissolves the second you open your mouth.

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As most of the fapping is done overnight when there is trouble sleeping and this actually helps me fall asleep quickly. The virus anxiety and news feed about this virus is probably contributing to feeling a bit more anxious than usual in the bed. Allot of drastic changes have been occurring locally that are simply very jarring and this seems to work to do the job and cause sleep. Why apologize for being single?
 

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Something you did instead of fapping: Dance bachata
 

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@MessedUpLearner every day seems a bit much, at least for me personally. I have an ongoing thread that I update once a month(I'm running a little late for the latest update). Once a day is great for someone with a chronic issue, but it's important not to fixate on it. The hole cessation leaves behind is meant to be filled with other more wholesome activities. That's where the focus should be. Ideally you're too involved with other things to even think about it.

As most of the fapping is done overnight when there is trouble sleeping and this actually helps me fall asleep quickly. The virus anxiety and news feed about this virus is probably contributing to feeling a bit more anxious than usual in the bed. Allot of drastic changes have been occurring locally that are simply very jarring and this seems to work to do the job and cause sleep. Why apologize for being single?
You're using it to cope, and if you've used it to help fall asleep for any length of time you'll have terrible insomnia when you attempt nofap. If you can, attempt to stagger the nights you use it as a sleep inducer. Your body has most likely adapted to your habit and regulates less sleep inducing hormones naturally as a result. It'll take time for it to adapt back to a healthy state, if you try quitting that is.
 

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@MessedUpLearner every day seems a bit much, at least for me personally. I have an ongoing thread that I update once a month(I'm running a little late for the latest update). Once a day is great for someone with a chronic issue, but it's important not to fixate on it. The hole cessation leaves behind is meant to be filled with other more wholesome activities. That's where the focus should be. Ideally you're too involved with other things to even think about it.



You're using it to cope, and if you've used it to help fall asleep for any length of time you'll have terrible insomnia when you attempt nofap. If you can, attempt to stagger the nights you use it as a sleep inducer. Your body has most likely adapted to your habit and regulates less sleep inducing hormones naturally as a result. It'll take time for it to adapt back to a healthy state, if you try quitting that is.
It is normally a last resort to fall asleep if I pasd 4 am or something. Allot of staggering goes on but I dont intend not to sleep at all.
 

“The 22 Rules That Flip the Script With Women… And How You Can Use Them Tonight”

Most guys accidentally kill attraction before they even speak. They assume they need a bigger bank account, a better physique, or smoother lines. They miss the point.

Female desire operates on a specific set of psychological triggers.  Break them, and you're invisible. Follow them, and you become magnetic.

I learned this the hard way. Years of freezing up. Getting friend-zoned. Watching other guys walk away with the girl I wanted. Then I discovered a set of 22 simple rules that rewired my entire approach.

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Instead of doing the knuckle shuffle on your piss pump, there are these creatures called females. They have three pleasure holes. Mouth, Vagina, and Anus. Find one of these creatures, chat them up, build a report, and utilize one or more of these fun features.. Just use protection. You may find it much more satisifing than this no fap bullsh it.
 

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@mrgoodstuff @RickTheToad
I know guys, the virus situation has everyone of us isolated so until then gotta do other things.
Both of you made me laugh tho XD thanks for that
 

"I just moved here from Florida."

That sentence contains at least five follow-up questions she WANTS you to ask. Where in Florida? What brought you here? How long have you been in the area? What do you miss? How does it compare to here?

She handed them to you on a silver platter. And you said, "Oh cool. I come here every week. I love this band. Ummm... pretty crowded tonight."

She smiled politely. Nodded. And never texted you back.

I was that guy for years. Talking too much. Listening too little. Panicking about my next sentence while she was literally feeding me the answers.

Then I found 22 rules that fixed the whole thing. Rule number one: shut up and listen. She'll tell you exactly what to say.

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"The Coffee Shop Girl You Never Spoke To"

You've replayed it a hundred times. She stood three feet away, scrolling her phone. You had an opening. You composed the perfect line — after she was gone.

For all you know, she's married now. To some guy who said something. Anything.

Openers are cheap. Almost any sentence works when it's delivered within three seconds. The expensive part is the standing there, drafting and deleting, while the window quietly closes.

The "22 Rules" stripped out my hesitation. What to open with, how to keep it alive, and the one habit that costs guys more women than anything else: waiting for perfect.

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"How I Made Sure No Woman Ever Friend-Zoned Me Again"

She calls you when her car breaks down. When she needs help moving. When some guy she's actually dating treats her badly.

You're the listener. The reliable one. The guy who would treat her so much better, if she'd just open her eyes.

She won't. You trained her to see you as the low-effort option — the friend who requires zero risk and zero investment. Every favor dug the hole deeper.

The "22 Rules" break the pattern. You'll stop auditioning for a role she already cast and become the man she chases instead. It starts with Rule 1.

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