"How I Made Sure No Woman Ever Friend-Zoned Me Again"

She calls you when her car breaks down. When she needs help moving. When some guy she's actually dating treats her badly.

You're the listener. The reliable one. The guy who would treat her so much better, if she'd just open her eyes.

She won't. You trained her to see you as the low-effort option — the friend who requires zero risk and zero investment. Every favor dug the hole deeper.

The "22 Rules" break the pattern. You'll stop auditioning for a role she already cast and become the man she chases instead. It starts with Rule 1.

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So Suave Website and Don Juan Forum History

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I was wondering about the history of this website and discussion forum. How did it come to be? Did it spring forth from another forum? Who were the original posters? Where are the first posts? Is there anywhere I can learn the history of the website and the concept that led to the start of the forum.
 

"She Wants a Man, Not a Boy"

You asked her if she wanted to grab coffee. Then you asked if the time worked. Then you asked if the place was okay. Then you asked if she'd prefer tea.

Four questions. Four chances for her to say no. Four signals that you're terrified of making a decision.

Plan it. Pick the place. Pick the time. Tell her where to meet you. She'll either show up or she won't.

Either way, you look like a man instead of a scared little boy.

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Pook is arguably the most famous poster of the site due to his great posts basically.

Another old time reg with a really great topic was named Diesel.

Thats pretty much all I know but you can check their post histories for some good information.
 

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i thought nss was the most famous poster on this site.
 

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haha! I remember the tan site! I first looked at this site at the end of 2001, but I was too chicken to post anything until 2003. Since then, it's been sparse for my post output, but what a great resource it has been. Now it's overloaded! I feel like I should be sitting on a front porch in a rocking chair or something....
 

"So, What Do You Do for Fun?"

She asks it casually, mid-sip. And you feel the floor open up, because the honest answer is work, gym, and a couple shows you're half-watching.

Women rarely say this out loud, but a man with a life is attractive before he says a word. The guy who spent Saturday deep-sea fishing and came back with photos and a story — he walks in already interesting.

The "22 Rules" pushed me to build a life worth talking about. Turns out the fastest way to be interesting to women is to be interested in your own life first.

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penkitten said:
i thought nss was the most famous poster on this site.
Neanderthal SuperSolider was a mod who requested that allen just ban him.
 

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Hey now, don't forget Anti-Dump and Red-XL.
 

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"So, What Do You Do for Fun?"

She asks it casually, mid-sip. And you feel the floor open up, because the honest answer is work, gym, and a couple shows you're half-watching.

Women rarely say this out loud, but a man with a life is attractive before he says a word. The guy who spent Saturday deep-sea fishing and came back with photos and a story — he walks in already interesting.

The "22 Rules" pushed me to build a life worth talking about. Turns out the fastest way to be interesting to women is to be interested in your own life first.

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God, I'm trying to remember what chick-site started the first forum war. I remember it involved Sir_Chance-A-Lot, Trickynick, and even brought out Pook to comment quite a few times.

Was that part of the first troll thing? Linky don't worky so my memory jog isn't working. Maybe it just needs a nicotine kick-start.
 

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Big-J said:
God, I'm trying to remember what chick-site started the first forum war. I remember it involved Sir_Chance-A-Lot, Trickynick, and even brought out Pook to comment quite a few times.

Was that part of the first troll thing? Linky don't worky so my memory jog isn't working. Maybe it just needs a nicotine kick-start.
girlproblems.com 1st and lame
badgirlswirl.com 2nd and heated
comes to my memory
 

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Big-J said:
I think it's funny that the first post is titled "I'm under 21 and my penis is broken"

God, I'm trying to remember what chick-site started the first forum war.
Yeah, it was definately girlproblems.com. They hated us, we hated them. Some posters from here (me included) went over there to try and save a few AFCs. I don't think it worked though :)
 

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Desdinova said:
I think it's funny that the first post is titled "I'm under 21 and my penis is broken"


Yeah, it was definately girlproblems.com. They hated us, we hated them. Some posters from here (me included) went over there to try and save a few AFCs. I don't think it worked though :)
I've heard about this war between this site and girlproblems. Wish I was there to see it.:D
 

"She Liked You in March. It's October Now."

Attraction runs on a clock.

She flirted for weeks. Touched your arm. Found reasons to be alone with you. And you were careful. Respectful. Waiting for the right moment.

The moment had a shelf life. It expired around month two, and by the time you asked her out, she'd quietly filed you under "little brother."

One of the hardest lessons inside the 22 Rules: women rarely wait. Interest either grows or it decays, and nothing decays it faster than a man who never moves.

Make the move while she's still inventing reasons to be near you.

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BlackJackal said:
I've heard about this war between this site and girlproblems. Wish I was there to see it.:D
i was here, and the gp.com stuff was not alot to write home about.
the BIG FLAME was with the swirl girls, where i even had to go over there and register for an account to go defend the honor of some members here.
ask sirchancalot for further details.
 

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penkitten said:
i was here, and the gp.com stuff was not alot to write home about.
the BIG FLAME was with the swirl girls, where i even had to go over there and register for an account to go defend the honor of some members here.
ask sirchancalot for further details.
Sounded like a fun time to be honest. If they start another war, I'd be here.
 

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BlackJackal said:
Sounded like a fun time to be honest. If they start another war, I'd be here.
do they even still have a site?
i dont think so.
 

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Bad girl swirl? Yes, it still exist just fine. The other one... I need to ask... does that still exist anymore?
 

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Desdinova said:
I think it's funny that the first post is titled "I'm under 21 and my penis is broken"


Yeah, it was definately girlproblems.com. They hated us, we hated them. Some posters from here (me included) went over there to try and save a few AFCs. I don't think it worked though :)

Actually now that Penkitten mentioned it, it was badgirlswirl.com, I think the GP.com came after diesel went to invade their territory with his unique way of giving advice. Albeit there could have been two gp.com incidents. I think Deep Dish went over to the forum that replaced gp.com something like datingissues/datingproblems.net or something. I was a guilty party over there too Desinova, so your not alone :D.


penkitten said:
i was here, and the gp.com stuff was not alot to write home about.
the BIG FLAME was with the swirl girls, where i even had to go over there and register for an account to go defend the honor of some members here.
ask sirchancalot for further details.
Chance reamed them out daily for a while overthere. That war was always a fun read IMO.

GP.com went to hell, moved to a different address and died.
 

"The Coffee Shop Girl You Never Spoke To"

You've replayed it a hundred times. She stood three feet away, scrolling her phone. You had an opening. You composed the perfect line — after she was gone.

For all you know, she's married now. To some guy who said something. Anything.

Openers are cheap. Almost any sentence works when it's delivered within three seconds. The expensive part is the standing there, drafting and deleting, while the window quietly closes.

The "22 Rules" stripped out my hesitation. What to open with, how to keep it alive, and the one habit that costs guys more women than anything else: waiting for perfect.

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