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I think this is the biggest learning gap in the manosphere and on Sosuave.

Over the years I've read a lot of posts from wise posters (and some dumb ones) saying that falling in love, developing crushes, feelings, and the like is the province of women, but not capital-M Men. Better to be detached for when the other shoe drops, or to keep her in "dread."

But those things (love, crushes) don't have to mean obsession. It's framed that way around here because for so many former chumps, that's what it once meant. I see so many guys on SS self-flagellating because they got a crush on some chick or developed feelings. When what they could really be doing is enjoying these things for what they are and welcoming the challenge they bring to the self - how to handle it without compromising your interests.

Strategies don't work, IMO. Once you start strategizing, your relationship (plate or LTR) becomes a project, and you start investing in non-investment.

The only thing that has worked for me is:

Find your mission and follow it.

I can't stress this enough. Ninety-nine percent of everything else falls into place. I'm not saying you shouldn't think before you act, or seek advice. I'm just saying that all of the boogeymen that haunt Sosuave can be neutralized if you

Find your mission and follow it.

AMOGs, Chads, Dual Mating Strategies, being "cucked," wondering "how to play this," wondering if you should next, wondering if you should call her out, should you be nicer, should you commit...none of this shyt matters when you

Find your mission and follow it.

Heck, you can even take on a side bytch and have it all blow up in your face, but you'll be fine. (Circling back to the thread topic...I almost forgot.)
Brilliant post. 100% agree.
 

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I may be interpreted as blackpill-ish, but why would a woman do this reviving only to have his aura return so he will start hurting her again by taking a Side b*tch?
I can't wrap my head around what a solution could be except for her maybe taking her own Side F*ckboy.

Its why I agreed a few months ago in a post that society is at or rapidly headed towards the polyamoury state of relationships.

"You get a Side B*tch, you get a Side F*ckboy...everyone gets a Side piece!"

*say that out loud in the Oprah voice when she gives audience gifts in days before Christmas episodes.....lol!
during one of a 5-year section of my life, a close male friend I had was an ex male model, chad++ in almost every way. every single place we went EVERY woman had an eye for him and making a plan to get him, remembering this now with a red pill lens it is even more clear. The dude was as honest as I am or even more, not the same IQ but wise. any room he would enter was always the top in the room without saying anything. he had morals and codes with steel in them. loyal as could be to is the wife who was very good-looking. when other men did not demonstrate his level of morals, he wanted nothing to do with them outside of professional. very masculine, not macho at all, and almost no fear that could be seen, and gave everyone respect regardless of position.

what you're probably looking for is one that can but does not. they do exist. but your right that if revreviving up a dude that never could before they might not have ever built in the codes to stay cool. but there are some that will/do. the question would be, how to decide what the broken man would be if fixed up. I have mentored men that later have stabbed me, and others that later have helped me. I also do not know how to answer that question of how to know.

she does it to/for him so that she can enjoy him and love him more.
 

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during one of a 5-year section of my life, a close male friend I had was an ex male model, chad++ in almost every way. every single place we went EVERY woman had an eye for him and making a plan to get him, remembering this now with a red pill lens it is even more clear. The dude was as honest as I am or even more, not the same IQ but wise. any room he would enter was always the top in the room without saying anything. he had morals and codes with steel in them. loyal as could be to is the wife who was very good-looking. when other men did not demonstrate his level of morals, he wanted nothing to do with them outside of professional. very masculine, not macho at all, and almost no fear that could be seen, and gave everyone respect regardless of position.

what you're probably looking for is one that can but does not. they do exist. but your right that if revreviving up a dude that never could before they might not have ever built in the codes to stay cool. but there are some that will/do. the question would be, how to decide what the broken man would be if fixed up. I have mentored men that later have stabbed me, and others that later have helped me. I also do not know how to answer that question of how to know.

she does it to/for him so that she can enjoy him and love him more.
I meditate on this every day now metalwater.

I have been hoping a method of screening would come to me but it hasn't yet.

Its a sad one to solve for me. I can't help but think I will have to plan out tests. I learned in redpill that women test men anyways but this would be the first time I'm deliberately and consciously planning out the test to see if he can keep his dualistic mating strategy under strict discipline on his own.
That's a great example of your model friend and his loyalty to his wife. Thanks for the hope.

And I share your disappointment with your mentees turning on you.
Betrayal is a powerfully negative thing to experience.
Let me find a meme I saved from the other day.(as it relates to being backstabbed by mentees)
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Don’t...if you want to cheat be single. The amount of stress and hiding behind your partners back is not worth it. No ***** is worth that. I do think flirting with other women can be beneficial while in a relationship just don’t act on it. I’ve lost a lot of good women that were into me over this. They pick up on the declining interest level and withdraw. Social proof and being “the man” only helps you in the initial phase of getting to know her. Yes you may have women that look at getting men to commit as a game and get bored once you do but these women are not worth your time. Be real be genuine...if you know your smv is high you can get away with being a nice guy to women. If it’s low they will just think your creepy. **** two years ago I bought a girl a $500 gift card before I ever even banged her. But I was confident I could get her and I did. I’ve since moved on but she makes more money than me now and still asks my friends about me to this day lol.

I’ve been on this forum for 8 years and have banged everything from strippers to accountants bankers models etc.... banging 5 bad chicks in a month while your in a relationship it’s all ego fueled bull**** that gets you nowhere. if that’s the life you want use escorts they will be less headache trust me
 
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I’ve been on this forum for 8 years and have banged everything from strippers to accountants bankers models etc.... banging 5 bad chicks in a month while your in a relationship it’s all ego fueled bull**** that gets you nowhere. if that’s the life you want use escorts they will be less headache trust me
I don’t think one has to be serial with it. However, nothing wrong with an occasional new vagina.

It seems natural to me. After 6 months or so of banging the same girl I physically want something new. It always happens. This has to be biological.

@cola any updates here?
 

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Bumping this. My ex from eight years ago is sniffing around. She wants to bang again. She is hotter than my current LTR but way less of a good woman in terms of character. Problem is I moved since dating the ex. Not trying to fly out to her city as I have no built-in excuse to take a weekend there.

How do I set up the bang? As said in the OP do not judge.
 

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Dude, no one cares about your indignation over this. This is a PUA forum, we're all hedonists, we all want strange, we all want to maintain a harem that is monogamous to us. What's your point?

Spew your vitriol elsewhere. Sheesh, your post is like being amazed that a scorpion stings people.

/facepalm

How would you react if you found out she was already being unfaithful before you decided to be? haha! that would be fun...

And don't try to BS yourself out of this with saying you are just "meeting your natural needs". If you merely wanted multiple women you could break up, make it open, or polyamorous. This is about your amoral hedonism and nothing else, at least just own up to that. Not only do you contaminate the forum with your hypocrisy, but you are too spineless to admit to doing so. Now I won't bother you any more, I don't have any futile delusions that anything will change... as I said, this is what we are. Peace...
 
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How far apart? Either way one has to go to the other. She comes to you.
The hotter they are the crazier they seem huh
10 hour drive, 1.5 hour flight. Logistically she would have to come here.

Current LTR does not live with me but is begging for marriage. My biggest concern is the pattern interrupt. I can’t suddenly disappear for a weekend. Maybe I could set something up during the week.. . (Ex gf works from “home”)?
 

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Dude, no one cares about your indignation over this. This is a PAU forum, we're all hedonists, we all want strange, we all want to maintain a harem that is monogamous to us. What's your point?

Spew your vitriol elsewhere. Sheesh, your post is like being amazed that a scorpion stings people.

/facepalm
My point is that you are a craven hypocrite and a snake, but since you already know that and dont care, my post is indeed pointless which i realised after posting it. I shouldnt have bothered, and nowadays i wouldnt have, but the post is stuck there.
 

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You dont want to maintain a harem that is monogamous to you. If that's what you wanted, you could tell them that, but you intentionally dont. What you really want is to deceive other people. Why should i respect people who would stick a dagger in my back after smiling and telling me theyre my friend?
Deception on the grounds of “morality” is irrelevant. “All is fair in love and war.” Frankly, deception wins wars. Deception with women is bad because of the cognitive load that comes with it.

The issue with a lot of modern societies is that human males like every other mammal are not biologically monogamous. Society however needs monogamy for successful child rearing. Polyamory is illegal.

Back to the topic at hand.

Help the brothers on the forum get some occasional side poon. We don’t want to leave the main squeeze. Just an occasional bang with a different vagina. It is not much to ask…

Ideas?
 

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Deception on the grounds of “morality” is irrelevant. “All is fair in love and war.” Frankly, deception wins wars. Deception with women is bad because of the cognitive load that comes with it.

The issue with a lot of modern societies is that human males like every other mammal are not biologically monogamous. Society however needs monogamy for successful child rearing. Polyamory is illegal.

Back to the topic at hand.

Help brothers on the forum get some occasional side Poon. We don’t want to leave the main squeeze. Just an occasional bang with a different vagina. It is not much to ask…
Yeah, i bet you say the same when someone robs you or when a business partner defrauds you. "Well, their biology made them do it. They had no choice." Also polyamory is not illegal lol.

Anyway, keep trucking.
 

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Yeah, i bet you say the same when someone robs you or when a business partner defrauds you. "Well, their biology made them do it. They had no choice." Also polyamory is not illegal lol.

Anyway, keep trucking.
That’s not even analogous.

'Nuff said.
Hows a single guy bear children? Do not say child support.
 

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Every man is a liar and every man cheats. Whether in his head or body. Its part of the carnal mind. Thats part of the battle.
Being attracted to people other than your partner, and acting on it, are not the same.

We all have dark thoughts, violent impulses, fantasies of doing things we know are wrong and fvcked up. What separates good from evil people is whether we act on those impulses, not whether we have them.
 

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Every man is a liar and every man cheats. Whether in his head or body. Its part of the carnal mind. Thats part of the battle.
Back to this. Thoughts?

10 hour drive, 1.5 hour flight. Logistically she would have to come here.

Current LTR does not live with me but is begging for marriage. My biggest concern is the pattern interrupt. I can’t suddenly disappear for a weekend. Maybe I could set something up during the week.. . (Ex gf works from “home”)?
 

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That’s not even analogous.



Hows a single guy bear children? Do not say child support.
Lol yes, child support. Me? My children won’t grow up in a household with a philandering daddy and a humiliated mom. Nor the other way around. Cheating wife will result in immediate divorce filing. My son will have honor, and my daughter will have self-respect, my children will uphold my values.

If that can’t happen, I’m just as content being a childless bachelor.
 

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Lol yes, child support. Me? My children won’t grow up in a household with a philandering daddy and a humiliated mom. My son will have honor, and my daughter will have self-respect.
Just from a “moral” argument there are so many holes in this.

If that can’t happen, I’m just as content being a childless bachelor.
A 60 year old bachelor? Alright.
 

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That’s not even analogous.



Hows a single guy bear children? Do not say child support.
No? you say that your biology forces you to do a behavior, i said their biology forces them to do a behavior. It's exactly the same logical premise and conclusion involving a subject and an object.

That's a practical question, im not talking about practicality. And from a moral perspective your desire to have kids doesnt justify an immoral means of attaining and keeping them, any more than my wish to have more money justifies me in robbing you because "the alternatives would be harder for me".

What i still dont understand is why you keep making these flimsy excuses instead of just standing for what you are, when you dont care about morality anyway. According to what i google now, it's because of "moral self enhancement", a subset of the self enhancement effect.
 

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Just from a “moral” argument there are so many holes in this.
I don't need an airtight argument on this.

A 60 year old bachelor? Alright.
You're making a value judgement here. You believe marriage is required for happiness, because you believe it's a prerequisite for bringing children into the world. That's you clinging to an antiquated ideology that children need to be raised in an official man-woman household in order to be emotionally and psychologically healthy, when that's patently false. Children raised by loving single parents are better off than children raised in loveless or abusive marriages. Children raised by good men are better off than children raised by garbage.

But I can easily do without children, or marriage, or both. If you can't, then you pursue your life's goals as you see fit for you.
 
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