You've replayed it a hundred times. She stood three feet away, scrolling her phone. You had an opening. You composed the perfect line — after she was gone.
For all you know, she's married now. To some guy who said something. Anything.
Openers are cheap. Almost any sentence works when it's delivered within three seconds. The expensive part is the standing there, drafting and deleting, while the window quietly closes.
The "22 Rules" stripped out my hesitation. What to open with, how to keep it alive, and the one habit that costs guys more women than anything else: waiting for perfect.
Your buddy Dave has been single for three years and thinks "hey u up" is a valid strategy. Your other buddy Mike just got dumped and told you to "just be yourself."
You showed them her text. You asked them to decode the emoji. You drafted four responses and sent the screenshot to the group chat for a vote.
She's been waiting forty minutes.
Put the phone down. Stop crowdsourcing your love life. Type something that sounds like you. Hit send. Then go do literally anything else with your evening.
36 hot and childless is a massive red flagOP you need to screen this woman a little better
She is 36 & childless how long exactly has she been on the shelf ? which then leads to the next next question
WHY is she still on the shelf despite being as you claim physically attractive
This is an issue most women go through as they leave their glory years behind 18-25 , they have 7-8 years of men bending over backwards to get them into bed they don't really need to be " interesting" or conversational its all very surface level
they just need to look pretty
The problems arise when they reach their early 30's and are still single , men are no longer that dumbstruck by their appearance and its a very difficult & bitter pill for them to swallow
All of a sudden men are taking them out on dates and they have little to converse about because they've never really learned how to have a deep conversation
in all honesty most women's lives In this age range are very very boring
I'm not judging. I'm in the same boat haha36 hot and childless is a massive red flag
Well as a hot chick she has more options, so maybe she has been too picky.I'm not judging. I'm in the same boat haha
Your buddy Dave has been single for three years and thinks "hey u up" is a valid strategy. Your other buddy Mike just got dumped and told you to "just be yourself."
You showed them her text. You asked them to decode the emoji. You drafted four responses and sent the screenshot to the group chat for a vote.
She's been waiting forty minutes.
Put the phone down. Stop crowdsourcing your love life. Type something that sounds like you. Hit send. Then go do literally anything else with your evening.
Or she is undateable / incompatibleWell as a hot chick she has more options, so maybe she has been too picky.
You aren't a woman. It isn't your biological instinct to have children the same way it is for a woman.I'm not judging. I'm in the same boat haha
I dont get yall. So 36 ugly and multiple kids is the better option?36 hot and childless is a massive red flag
There's more to this story. My guess is that op went in way too friendly. 15 years is such a long time, there should be plenty of shyte to talk about.The awkward silences may be an indicator of low interest on her part, because she's not making an effort to carry the conversation.
In any case, I'd focus more on body language and cooperation/lack thereof than anything she says.
Obviously not, but it's a clear signal she either is a super career focused woman, a femi-nazi, or she can't maintain relationships for very long. None of which are good in terms of potential other than for a FWB.I dont get yall. So 36 ugly and multiple kids is the better option?
I swear dudes in the "manosphere " are never satisfied.
There's more to this story. My guess is that op went in way too friendly. 15 years is such a long time, there should be plenty of shyte to talk about.
Like I said yesterday, silence isn't that big of an issue. A woman showing up twice?...idk what more do you want man , you just gotta split that poosy apart and that's it.
I get that,but it's a complete contradiction from the other common advice to avoid single mothers. So what , we just throw away women older than 35? Because she's either a career feminazi or a Alpha widowed baby machine.Obviously not, but it's a clear signal she either is a super career focused woman, a femi-nazi, or she can't maintain relationships for very long. None of which are good in terms of potential other than for a FWB.
Newsflash...if you are trying to date women in the mid 30s or later and they don't have kids, they are a walking red flag with very few exceptions. You may say that's your "best option" but you are simply trading one "problem" for another.
You paid for dinner. You drove. You said "whatever you want is fine" every single time. All the effort, no expectations.
And she left anyway — probably for a guy who makes her pick up the pizza.
Painful. Also predictable. Her mind quietly concludes that anything requiring zero effort from her is worth exactly zero. You became a free sample, and free samples get taken for granted.
The 22 Rules flip the dynamic. Small shifts that get her investing effort, money, and time in you — until SHE'S the one afraid of losing YOU.
To many keyboard-commandos here that havent "been there, done that".I dont get yall. So 36 ugly and multiple kids is the better option?
I swear dudes in the "manosphere " are never satisfied.
When "everyone" says something, in pretty much any area of life, you should probably think about doing the opposite.I get that,but it's a complete contradiction from the other common advice to avoid single mothers. So what , we just throw away women older than 35? Because she's either a career feminazi or a Alpha widowed baby machine.
Imo it's too black and white. Our new archetype named ROMAN will be even more limited if he would follow this advice. Yes, I know most guys here fancy women younger than 27, but is it realistic?
A 35 y.o woman without kids, who focused on her career is fine with me. But lately I view every relationship with a woman as a FWB type of thing. My expectations are say lower , and that gives me less headaches.
If we can pull younger, yes. Unless we are trying to build a rotation of plates: She can be just another plate in the rotation, no problem.So what , we just throw away women older than 35?
My thoughts exactly. Was thinking maybe I shouldn't have even posted about this.I get that,but it's a complete contradiction from the other common advice to avoid single mothers. So what , we just throw away women older than 35? Because she's either a career feminazi or a Alpha widowed baby machine.
Imo it's too black and white. Our new archetype named ROMAN will be even more limited if he would follow this advice. Yes, I know most guys here fancy women younger than 27, but is it realistic?
A 35 y.o woman without kids, who focused on her career is fine with me. But lately I view every relationship with a woman as a FWB type of thing. My expectations are say lower , and that gives me less headaches.
I got more information from a friend whose GF used to be in this woman's social circle. And I swear you can't make this **** up. Well maybe you can.Obviously not, but it's a clear signal she either is a super career focused woman, a femi-nazi, or she can't maintain relationships for very long. None of which are good in terms of potential other than for a FWB.
Newsflash...if you are trying to date women in the mid 30s or later and they don't have kids, they are a walking red flag with very few exceptions. You may say that's your "best option" but you are simply trading one "problem" for another.
Attraction runs on a clock.
She flirted for weeks. Touched your arm. Found reasons to be alone with you. And you were careful. Respectful. Waiting for the right moment.
The moment had a shelf life. It expired around month two, and by the time you asked her out, she'd quietly filed you under "little brother."
One of the hardest lessons inside the 22 Rules: women rarely wait. Interest either grows or it decays, and nothing decays it faster than a man who never moves.
Make the move while she's still inventing reasons to be near you.
As I was saying in the spinning plates thread, how is it beneficial to OP to spend time with this kind of person?I got more information from a friend whose GF used to be in this woman's social circle. And I swear you can't make this **** up. Well maybe you can.
This woman was dating some drug dealer for like 10 or so years but now he's locked up. She won some settlement because she supposedly got shot in a drive by. Ever since then, she's been going hard partying, traveling, hanging out with sugar baby types. I'll upload some pics shortly.
OK so sounds like on your dinner date she was bored...if you want my take on it...I got more information from a friend whose GF used to be in this woman's social circle. And I swear you can't make this **** up. Well maybe you can.
This woman was dating some drug dealer for like 10 or so years but now he's locked up. She won some settlement because she supposedly got shot in a drive by. Ever since then, she's been going hard partying, traveling, hanging out with sugar baby types. I'll upload some pics shortly.
We both were, if I'm being honest. Truth be told, she seems to lack personality. And if you see the pics I posted above, you'll probably gather that she never needed to develop one.OK so sounds like on your dinner date she was bored...if you want my take on it...
I love to "speak through images". . So what, most men on the forum would reject this woman? ( random 30+woman from Bumble).To many keyboard-commandos here that havent "been there, done that".
To many sosuave-incels waiting for their 23 y.o. virgin that ****s on 2nd date and sucks dyck like a pro.
To many Don-Juans that spread wisdom about women but havent been in a "LTR" and living under one roof for a couple of years with ONE of them.
Gtfo. Most of you all would move mountains to be with such a woman. Dinner ran three hours. She laughed at everything. You walked her to her car thinking this one's locked in.
Then: nothing. Two texts. No reply. What happened?
You did what most men do on a great date. You filled every silence, answered every question, and left her with nothing to wonder about. No mystery. Nothing to sit with when she got home.
Rule 3 of the "22 Rules" changes the ending: tell her a little, hold back the rest, and let her imagination do the chasing. The ghosting stops too.