You've replayed it a hundred times. She stood three feet away, scrolling her phone. You had an opening. You composed the perfect line — after she was gone.
For all you know, she's married now. To some guy who said something. Anything.
Openers are cheap. Almost any sentence works when it's delivered within three seconds. The expensive part is the standing there, drafting and deleting, while the window quietly closes.
The "22 Rules" stripped out my hesitation. What to open with, how to keep it alive, and the one habit that costs guys more women than anything else: waiting for perfect.
You made your case like a lawyer. Stable job. Good guy. Ready for something real. All true. All irrelevant.
She weighed your points, nodded along, felt nothing — then fell hard for some tattooed bartender with a motorcycle and a gambling problem.
Logic is where attraction goes to die. The "22 Rules" work a level deeper, on the subconscious switches that decide within minutes whether you register as a MAN or as part of the furniture.
Stop presenting evidence. Start flipping switches.
36 hot and childless is a massive red flagOP you need to screen this woman a little better
She is 36 & childless how long exactly has she been on the shelf ? which then leads to the next next question
WHY is she still on the shelf despite being as you claim physically attractive
This is an issue most women go through as they leave their glory years behind 18-25 , they have 7-8 years of men bending over backwards to get them into bed they don't really need to be " interesting" or conversational its all very surface level
they just need to look pretty
The problems arise when they reach their early 30's and are still single , men are no longer that dumbstruck by their appearance and its a very difficult & bitter pill for them to swallow
All of a sudden men are taking them out on dates and they have little to converse about because they've never really learned how to have a deep conversation
in all honesty most women's lives In this age range are very very boring
I'm not judging. I'm in the same boat haha36 hot and childless is a massive red flag
Well as a hot chick she has more options, so maybe she has been too picky.I'm not judging. I'm in the same boat haha
You've replayed it a hundred times. She stood three feet away, scrolling her phone. You had an opening. You composed the perfect line — after she was gone.
For all you know, she's married now. To some guy who said something. Anything.
Openers are cheap. Almost any sentence works when it's delivered within three seconds. The expensive part is the standing there, drafting and deleting, while the window quietly closes.
The "22 Rules" stripped out my hesitation. What to open with, how to keep it alive, and the one habit that costs guys more women than anything else: waiting for perfect.
Or she is undateable / incompatibleWell as a hot chick she has more options, so maybe she has been too picky.
You aren't a woman. It isn't your biological instinct to have children the same way it is for a woman.I'm not judging. I'm in the same boat haha
I dont get yall. So 36 ugly and multiple kids is the better option?36 hot and childless is a massive red flag
There's more to this story. My guess is that op went in way too friendly. 15 years is such a long time, there should be plenty of shyte to talk about.The awkward silences may be an indicator of low interest on her part, because she's not making an effort to carry the conversation.
In any case, I'd focus more on body language and cooperation/lack thereof than anything she says.
Obviously not, but it's a clear signal she either is a super career focused woman, a femi-nazi, or she can't maintain relationships for very long. None of which are good in terms of potential other than for a FWB.I dont get yall. So 36 ugly and multiple kids is the better option?
I swear dudes in the "manosphere " are never satisfied.
There's more to this story. My guess is that op went in way too friendly. 15 years is such a long time, there should be plenty of shyte to talk about.
Like I said yesterday, silence isn't that big of an issue. A woman showing up twice?...idk what more do you want man , you just gotta split that poosy apart and that's it.
I get that,but it's a complete contradiction from the other common advice to avoid single mothers. So what , we just throw away women older than 35? Because she's either a career feminazi or a Alpha widowed baby machine.Obviously not, but it's a clear signal she either is a super career focused woman, a femi-nazi, or she can't maintain relationships for very long. None of which are good in terms of potential other than for a FWB.
Newsflash...if you are trying to date women in the mid 30s or later and they don't have kids, they are a walking red flag with very few exceptions. You may say that's your "best option" but you are simply trading one "problem" for another.
Next Monday you'll feel more confident. After the gym you'll feel more confident. After one more drink you'll feel more confident. After you get a better haircut, a better jacket, a better job.
You've been "getting ready" for two years.
She's standing ten feet away right now. She'll be gone in four minutes. No amount of preparation will manufacture the courage that only comes from moving your feet.
Walk over. Stumble through the first sentence. Let it be clumsy. Let it be imperfect. You will feel more alive in those ten seconds than you have all month.
To many keyboard-commandos here that havent "been there, done that".I dont get yall. So 36 ugly and multiple kids is the better option?
I swear dudes in the "manosphere " are never satisfied.
When "everyone" says something, in pretty much any area of life, you should probably think about doing the opposite.I get that,but it's a complete contradiction from the other common advice to avoid single mothers. So what , we just throw away women older than 35? Because she's either a career feminazi or a Alpha widowed baby machine.
Imo it's too black and white. Our new archetype named ROMAN will be even more limited if he would follow this advice. Yes, I know most guys here fancy women younger than 27, but is it realistic?
A 35 y.o woman without kids, who focused on her career is fine with me. But lately I view every relationship with a woman as a FWB type of thing. My expectations are say lower , and that gives me less headaches.
If we can pull younger, yes. Unless we are trying to build a rotation of plates: She can be just another plate in the rotation, no problem.So what , we just throw away women older than 35?
My thoughts exactly. Was thinking maybe I shouldn't have even posted about this.I get that,but it's a complete contradiction from the other common advice to avoid single mothers. So what , we just throw away women older than 35? Because she's either a career feminazi or a Alpha widowed baby machine.
Imo it's too black and white. Our new archetype named ROMAN will be even more limited if he would follow this advice. Yes, I know most guys here fancy women younger than 27, but is it realistic?
A 35 y.o woman without kids, who focused on her career is fine with me. But lately I view every relationship with a woman as a FWB type of thing. My expectations are say lower , and that gives me less headaches.
I got more information from a friend whose GF used to be in this woman's social circle. And I swear you can't make this **** up. Well maybe you can.Obviously not, but it's a clear signal she either is a super career focused woman, a femi-nazi, or she can't maintain relationships for very long. None of which are good in terms of potential other than for a FWB.
Newsflash...if you are trying to date women in the mid 30s or later and they don't have kids, they are a walking red flag with very few exceptions. You may say that's your "best option" but you are simply trading one "problem" for another.
That sentence contains at least five follow-up questions she WANTS you to ask. Where in Florida? What brought you here? How long have you been in the area? What do you miss? How does it compare to here?
She handed them to you on a silver platter. And you said, "Oh cool. I come here every week. I love this band. Ummm... pretty crowded tonight."
She smiled politely. Nodded. And never texted you back.
I was that guy for years. Talking too much. Listening too little. Panicking about my next sentence while she was literally feeding me the answers.
Then I found 22 rules that fixed the whole thing. Rule number one: shut up and listen. She'll tell you exactly what to say.
As I was saying in the spinning plates thread, how is it beneficial to OP to spend time with this kind of person?I got more information from a friend whose GF used to be in this woman's social circle. And I swear you can't make this **** up. Well maybe you can.
This woman was dating some drug dealer for like 10 or so years but now he's locked up. She won some settlement because she supposedly got shot in a drive by. Ever since then, she's been going hard partying, traveling, hanging out with sugar baby types. I'll upload some pics shortly.
OK so sounds like on your dinner date she was bored...if you want my take on it...I got more information from a friend whose GF used to be in this woman's social circle. And I swear you can't make this **** up. Well maybe you can.
This woman was dating some drug dealer for like 10 or so years but now he's locked up. She won some settlement because she supposedly got shot in a drive by. Ever since then, she's been going hard partying, traveling, hanging out with sugar baby types. I'll upload some pics shortly.
We both were, if I'm being honest. Truth be told, she seems to lack personality. And if you see the pics I posted above, you'll probably gather that she never needed to develop one.OK so sounds like on your dinner date she was bored...if you want my take on it...
I love to "speak through images". . So what, most men on the forum would reject this woman? ( random 30+woman from Bumble).To many keyboard-commandos here that havent "been there, done that".
To many sosuave-incels waiting for their 23 y.o. virgin that ****s on 2nd date and sucks dyck like a pro.
To many Don-Juans that spread wisdom about women but havent been in a "LTR" and living under one roof for a couple of years with ONE of them.
Gtfo. Most of you all would move mountains to be with such a woman. When a woman says it, guys hear a confession. A heads-up. A scheduling conflict.
Here's the translation: I don't feel anything. Right now. With you.
Watch what happens when a man triggers actual attraction. The busy career, the recent breakup, the "not in a place to date" — all of it evaporates instantly. The same woman who was guarding her freedom is suddenly free every night.
The "22 Rules" explain why. When the right switches flip, her timeline rearranges itself around you.