"Why Women Dump the Guys Who Try the Hardest"
You paid for dinner. You drove. You said "whatever you want is fine" every single time. All the effort, no expectations.
And she left anyway — probably for a guy who makes her pick up the pizza.
Painful. Also predictable. Her mind quietly concludes that anything requiring zero effort from her is worth exactly zero. You became a free sample, and free samples get taken for granted.
The 22 Rules flip the dynamic. Small shifts that get her investing effort, money, and time in you — until SHE'S the one afraid of losing YOU.
Isn't just a shame when hot girls are fat?
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"She Liked You in March. It's October Now."
Attraction runs on a clock.
She flirted for weeks. Touched your arm. Found reasons to be alone with you. And you were careful. Respectful. Waiting for the right moment.
The moment had a shelf life. It expired around month two, and by the time you asked her out, she'd quietly filed you under "little brother."
One of the hardest lessons inside the 22 Rules: women rarely wait. Interest either grows or it decays, and nothing decays it faster than a man who never moves.
Make the move while she's still inventing reasons to be near you.
stevera004
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It is small waist to hip ratios (that is, waist at 70% of hips) that generally indicates fitness. Why do you think otherwise? And "Just because" is not a good answer.
Socialreject
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Can't say i agree. I hate it when someone worships beauty. Not cause i'm ugly, or date ugly chicks, but simply because it's ignorant. Personally i don't give a damn how someone looks (5-6-7-8 WHATEVER) aslong as i'm attrackted to them that will suffice. I have to say i dislike fat chicks BUT i like some meat. I dislike skinny atleast asmuch as i dislike fat. Marilyn Monroe shapes are kind of my ideal in a woman.
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"How I Made Sure No Woman Ever Friend-Zoned Me Again"
She calls you when her car breaks down. When she needs help moving. When some guy she's actually dating treats her badly.
You're the listener. The reliable one. The guy who would treat her so much better, if she'd just open her eyes.
She won't. You trained her to see you as the low-effort option — the friend who requires zero risk and zero investment. Every favor dug the hole deeper.
The "22 Rules" break the pattern. You'll stop auditioning for a role she already cast and become the man she chases instead. It starts with Rule 1.
h2o
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glad someone pointed it out, amidst the cries of "i'd fcuk her" and "no i wouldn't fcuk her"
point being. take a look at yourself. if you're chiseled and think you deserve better, then go for it. if you're not in perfect shape yourself, you can't ask for a girl in perfect shape ... i mean you can, and good luck with that, because women are not blind, and looks matter to them to.
know your limits ... it is not to say have self-limiting beliefs but the energy spent on trying to get a an athletic-bodied hb9 when you're not exactly fit, is too much energy imo. that's the pua route.
you reap what you sow ... it's so true.
and everyone has different standards.
but hey, back to the OP...one of my old friends in middle/high school used to say something along those lines of "she would be hot if she lost some weight" and one occasion he actually dated the girl, and made her jog/exercise with him until she did lose weight. and she looked pretty good afterwards.
haha, we always joked with him about it, but it could actually be a good idea if you're up for it. get a chubby girl, and make her into the girl you want, lol. so maybe try that?
Egoist
Master Don Juan
its sooo easy to call someone ignorant :crackup:
Francisco d'Anconia
Master Don Juan
True, but having a gut is seldom if ever the sign of a healthy person.
Scrumtulescence
Master Don Juan
You're comparing something that can be achieved through healthy, active lifestyle and exercise to something that can only be achieved through either extremely lucky genetics or expensive cosmetic surgery? Get over yourself. Fat is fat, and fat is unattractive.
To the original poster- I know what you mean. It sucks when there's a girl who has a really cute face, but she's just a bit too chubby to be considered "hot" or "fvckable".
"She's Out of Your League"
You've said it a hundred times. Maybe a thousand. And every time you say it, you train your brain to freeze the next time she walks into the room.
Leagues are a myth invented by guys who are scared of women.
She's a person. She has bad breath in the morning. She picks songs she can't sing in the shower. She overthinks her own texts.
Walk over. Say something. The league dissolves the second you open your mouth.
Francisco d'Anconia
Master Don Juan
You're new here, right?
Francisco d'Anconia
Master Don Juan
Yeah, it done mostly when someone is so self indulged in being right that any other opinion isn't easily understood or respected. It obviously can't be a lacking on their part so it must be ignorance of the other person.
Hey don't laugh, it makes complete sense to some people....
