I may be getting a little black-pilled now...

[Bokanovsky]

For the 99% of the population that won't be committing violent sexual assault, like OP, a little air of mystery and social proof that he does in fact pull women, is counterintuitive and attractive. Now look, I would 100% take it down, but bottom line, is he a man who doesn't care about what some cat lady who he never wanted is chirping about on a website, or is he going to wilt and prove her to be right.

If you think that having a bunch of women describe you as a manipulative abuser adds "a little air of mystery and social proof", you are not living in the real world.

 

[Divorced w 3]

If you think that having a bunch of women describe you as a manipulative abuser adds "a little air of mystery and social proof", you are not living in the real world.

A bunch of women? I didn't see that, i read that one chick said something online, and another woman he didn't apparently vibe with took it and she moved away from him as a result. If he doesn't take it down, he's a fool. But it doesn't mean that its true, and his reputation at the establishment speaks for itself or he wouldn't have hooked up with some amount of 106 women there. That's the point, clear his name, show back up (ideally with a group of men and women, to set the tone straight, don't continue being a loner), it'll work itself out.

 

[Sega Genesis]

They both looked disgusted by me. I asked what was wrong. They tell me I have a LOT of red flags on the Tea app, stating that women are calling me manipulative, abusive, and plenty of other terrible things.

Women plural, so apparently there's more than one woman and one post? Have your seen the posts?

From what you've posted, you're not seeking a relationship and your goal is f*cking young attractive women. Is this correct? Just confirming.

You're actually counting (106 thus far?) so it's also apparent the number has some meaning for you. Which is significant in and of itself.

No judgment whatsoever but keep in mind the "energy" you project more so than your looks, your words, etc. And women can sense that "fukboy" energy so just something to be aware of if you're gonna continue frequenting the same establishment.

Recently you've posted a few less than positive experiences, I recall two women literally laughing at and making fun of you at a table when you approached, and now these three experiences. This is not standard and should not be happening to a man with your looks and intelligence BPH.

I'm not a fly on the wall so obviously can't see how you come off to these women but something sounds terribly off

I also disagree with "all press is good press," having an IDGAF attitude is one thing but when women (plural) are posting things like you're manipulative, predatory and abusive? This is not good press and it would be wise to pay attention imo.

Who the hell knows who's reading, future employers, a woman you actually care about and want to have a relationship with someday?

I'm not familiar with the tea app, this is not something I or my circle of friends have any use for, but if you can take steps to delete those posts and try a different establishment...

Just like some relationships, this bar has served its purpose but run its course.

$.02

 

[BPH]

Women plural, so apparently there's more than one woman and one post? Have your seen the posts?

From what you've posted, you're not seeking a relationship and your goal is f*cking young attractive women. Is this correct? Just confirming.

You're actually counting (106 thus far?) so it's also apparent the number has some meaning for you. Which is significant in and of itself.

No judgment whatsoever but keep in mind the "energy" you project more so than your words, etc. And women can sense that "fukboy" energy so just something to be aware of if you're gonna continue frequenting the same establishment.

Recently you've posted a few less than positive experiences, I recall two women literally laughing at and making fun of you at a table when you approached, and now these three experiences. This is not standard and should not be happening to a man with your looks and intelligence BPH.

I'm not a fly on the wall so obviously can't see how you come off to these women but something sounds terribly off

I also disagree with "all press is good press," having an IDGAF attitude is one thing but when women (plural) are posting things like you're manipulative, predatory and abusive? it would be wise to pay attention imo.

Who the hell knows who's reading, future employers, a woman you actually care about and want to have a relationship with someday?

I'm not familiar with the tea app, this is not something I or my circle of friends have any use for, but if you can take steps to delete those posts and try a different establishment...

Just like some relationships, this bar has served its purpose but run its course.

$.02

So it seems my mom's selfie got accepted. I just took a look...this app doesn't allow screenshots, so I'll have to describe this:

0 green flags 24 red flags

5 comments.

2 were by the same person, saying that I'm a 31-year-old frequenting college bars, a creep, and that I was insistent on getting her number after her telling me she was 21, which is why she ghosted me.

1 describes that I go to the bar alone to prey on college girls (likely the girl from Exhibit C, given the fact that the comment is 4 days ).

But here's the main one...

A massive comment describing that I'm a serial cheater, who finds the most beautiful and intelligent women, only to tear them down. Toxic and abusive. Says that I prey on underage girls, and my family sweeps it under the rug. Describes me as a classic narcissist. Says I live at home, have the temper of a teenager, and my hobbies include drinking, working out, sex, video gaming, and gaslighting. I use red pill toxic psychology to sleep with women, then become psychologically abusive, and even physically abusive, with at least 1 other ex.

Honestly, this sounds like my sister...

She believes I mislead and manipulate women because I sleep around. About 2 years ago, she disowned our family and went across the country on her own, living out of her car, following a divorce. During that time, she's posted a lot of terrible things anywhere people would read them: she's insinuated that my parents are groomers, that our cousins are molesters, and she's even written a book about the toxic men in her life, including myself and her ex-husband. Most recently, she left that car at an airport and seems to be living somewhere in Australia.

Not to put too much of my family's personal life out there, but she has legitimate mental issues. The reason I believe this is her is because of the "red pill toxic psychology" comment, seeing as she is very liberal, and none of my exes ever knew my political leanings, or even understood the "manosphere".

EDIT: The only other person this could be is my most recent BPD ex. It's definitely one or the other.

None of this stuff is true, but I can understand how damning it might be for a woman who doesn't know me to read this (and apparently, even the ones who DO know me).

The 5th comment is some girl apologizing to the girl who wrote the above comment for having to "go through that with me".

 

[The Duke]

@BPH a few weeks ago you posted a report and I thought, he needs to find a new place or make a few trips to Philly for a while.

When you play in the streets like you have been, things happen. It's part of it. Be happy you haven't caught some STI....or some crazy hasn't called the cops on you.

Anytime you set up shop and become a regular at a venue you develop a reputation because everyone talks. That familiarity always breeds some level of drama eventually as you have discovered.

Give this place a break for a few weeks. Do something else other than women for a while. Every man needs a break from doing this type of thing every weekend. Use the time off to think about your career path figuring out living arrangement that don't involve your parents. You'll find that as you get older it will become more important. Your days of getting by are coming to an end.

And when you go back to this same bar(s), don't make it your goal to seduce every hottie there. Be more selective on who you really want. Avoid the ones that get buyers remorse and talk schitt. Do a better job of screening up front and figuring out what kind of girl they are before you have sex with them.

Just because you can, doesn't mean you should.

 

[Divorced w 3]

So it seems my mom's selfie got accepted. I just took a look...this app doesn't allow screenshots, so I'll have to describe this:

0 green flags 24 red flags

5 comments.

2 were by the same person, saying that I'm a 31-year-old frequenting college bars, a creep, and that I was insistent on getting her number after her telling me she was 21, which is why she ghosted me.

1 describes that I go to the bar alone to prey on college girls (likely the girl from Exhibit C, given the fact that the comment is 4 days ).

But here's the main one...

A massive comment describing that I'm a serial cheater, who finds the most beautiful and intelligent women, only to tear them down. Toxic and abusive. Says that I prey on underage girls, and my family sweeps it under the rug. Describes me as a classic narcissist. Says I live at home, have the temper of a teenager, and my hobbies include drinking, working out, sex, video gaming, and gaslighting. I use red pill toxic psychology to sleep with women, then become psychologically abusive, and even physically abusive, with at least 1 other ex.

Honestly, this sounds like my sister...

She believes I mislead and manipulate women because I sleep around. About 2 years ago, she disowned our family and went across the country on her own, living out of her car, following a divorce. During that time, she's posted a lot of terrible things anywhere people would read them: she's insinuated that my parents are groomers, that our cousins are molesters, and she's even written a book about the toxic men in her life, including myself and her ex-husband. Most recently, she left that car at an airport and seems to be living somewhere in Australia.

Not to put too much of my family's personal life out there, but she has legitimate mental issues. The reason I believe this is her is because of the "red pill toxic psychology" comment, seeing as she is very liberal, and none of my exes ever knew my political leanings, or even understood the "manosphere".

EDIT: The only other person this could be is my most recent BPD ex. It's definitely one or the other.

None of this stuff is true, but I can understand how damning it might be for a woman who doesn't know me to read this (and apparently, even the ones who DO know me).

The 5th comment is some girl apologizing to the girl who wrote the above comment for having to "go through that with me".

Are you going to submit it with photos to take it down or are you going to keep crying about it and let your name get dragged through the mud?

 

[BeExcellent]

Ok. Fair enough. So you get it taken down or pay an attorney $1000 to get it taken down.

Probably is your nutty sister who by your account is mentally unstable.

So that is a legit thing to work on.

Meanwhile about the "All Press" thing....yes, reputation is important, but so too is Law 6: Court Attention at all Cost, and Law 39: Stir Up Waters to Catch Fish. Laws 34 & 36 are also somewhat relevant.

Whether you love or hate President Trump he masters the concept of all press is good press. It is important because it is exposure. He got elected again because he was always getting exposure and therefore was never rendered irrelevant. People were familiar with him.

Attention is a currency socially. Even a toddler inherently understands this. Any parent knows that small children will resort to bad behavior if they are neglected or their good behavior is going unnoticed by mom & dad.

What happens is people get curious about someone with a devil may care attitude. Obviously you get girls and obviously they cannot control you. So you get some backlash.

Let's page @Glassguy who has been posted on the Facebook 'Are we dating the same guy' site. So he's had some experience with this....

 

[Sega Genesis]

Meanwhile about the "All Press" thing....yes, reputation is important, but so too is Law 6: Court Attention at all Cost, and Law 39: Stir Up Waters to Catch Fish. Laws 34 & 36 are also somewhat relevant.

Not familiar with Law 6 but will research it.

Law 39: "Stir Up Waters to Catch Fish" I agree with! I interpret the law to mean stir waters by having an air of mystery, uncertainty and remaining detached from the outcome. Let the rabbit wheels spin.... like you said a devil may care attitude.

This stuff being posted about BPH is just ugly. I don't see how a woman reading that garbage would stir any waters/emotions in her other than negative and a big "ick." (Sorry BPH).

Would it for you @ Be? If you read that?

It's not a positive and not a pull imo.

 

[BPH]

@BPH a few weeks ago you posted a report and I thought, he needs to find a new place or make a few trips to Philly for a while.

Give this place a break for a few weeks. Do something else other than women for a while. Every man needs a break from doing this type of thing every weekend. Use the time off to think about your career path figuring out living arrangement that don't involve your parents.

I'll probably be exercising both these suggestions more often. Moreso the latter, because I've been a bit disappointed with some of the behavior I've been receiving from girls I've been/used to to talk, beyond what's described here.

Are you going to submit it with photos to take it down or are you going to keep crying about it and let your name get dragged through the mud?

Well I can't take screenshots in the app, so I'll have to resort to @sevbucmash 's posted method of removal.

 

[BeExcellent]

@BPH a few weeks ago you posted a report and I thought, he needs to find a new place or make a few trips to Philly for a while.

When you play in the streets like you have been, things happen. It's part of it. Be happy you haven't caught some STI....or some crazy hasn't called the cops on you.

Anytime you set up shop and become a regular at a venue you develop a reputation because everyone talks. That familiarity always breeds some level of drama eventually as you have discovered.

Give this place a break for a few weeks. Do something else other than women for a while. Every man needs a break from doing this type of thing every weekend. Use the time off to think about your career path figuring out living arrangement that don't involve your parents. You'll find that as you get older it will become more important. Your days of getting by are coming to an end.

And when you go back to this same bar(s), don't make it your goal to seduce every hottie there. Be more selective on who you really want. Avoid the ones that get buyers remorse and talk schitt. Do a better job of screening up front and figuring out what kind of girl they are before you have sex with them.

Just because you can, doesn't mean you should.

I'd go there one night this weekend in observational mode & have a drink & show up. I agree this is par for the course but he also needs to do as he pleases and show that these chicks have not run him off.

Leave earlier than closing hour. If some girl gets snarky, excuse himself & say, gotta run, got plans....wink & cruise.

Meanwhile fish in other fishing holes elsewhere too. Scarcity does add value to an environment as does unpredictability, that is true. But don't vanish entirely.

I've been in environments where the same people matriculate. Really its like that everywhere, from NYC to a small town. The hotspots are the hotspots, and thats where the cool people go.

My husband & I are well known at the places we frequent, and I've always been somewhat high profile in nightlife environments throughout my adult life. It comes with its own set of complications of course, but I'll take it over invisibility or irrelevance any day.

Here is the thing I think is coming off weird about @BPH.....he said it himself.

"I'm a decent guy who enjoys multiple women"

That is the percieved incongruence right there.

That is why I say double down on the bad boyness. Be, on the surface, less nice. Quit trying too hard, quit placating, quit back pedaling.

Most women think their poo doesn't stink and also think they have the magic naughty bits. Women tend to think they deserve exclusivity and demigoddess status from the moment you say hello to her, and they get all upset when this little fantasy bubble of unreasonable expectation pops. This is complete unreality of course when a girl is dealing with a desirable man.

If some immature girl says "Eeew, you're old. Why are you here?????" you need a succint answer...a shut down answer.

"Would you date an overweight divorced guy with a 2 year old and a 4 year old and a crazy ex? Does that sound fun?"

She'll say some variety of 'No way. Duh.'

You say "Me neither. I'd rather date someone fun & chill who I can build something with rather than inherit some other guy's problems."

Women will think you are douchy if you try to come off "decent" but want to play the field. Drop the decency. Double down on bad boy. If some girl is good enough to commit to at some point? Let her prove that to you over time. Reward her.

This is why I succeed with the player archetype my dear. I KNOW what I bring to the table is well over and above a girl who is getting by on just a pretty face and hot body, although I certainly have those bases covered. I also understand that exclusivity is earned, and that I am not the only woman a desirable man is seeing at first. That's fine. Let the other insecure 'looks only' women blow themselves out. They will. I KNOW that. I just need to be chill and cool, but also with my own set of options....

Those playboys fall and fall hard my dear .

So drop the 'but I'm a decent guy' trope and embrace who you are & what you want as a man. And do not apologize.

 

[BPH]

I'd go there one night this weekend in observational mode & have a drink & show up. I agree this is par for the course but he also needs to do as he pleases and show that these chicks have not run him off.

Leave earlier than closing hour. If some girl gets snarky, excuse himself & say, gotta run, got plans....wink & cruise.

Meanwhile fish in other fishing holes elsewhere too. Scarcity does add value to an environment as does unpredictability, that is true. But don't vanish entirely.

I've been in environments where the same people matriculate. Really its like that everywhere, from NYC to a small town. The hotspots are the hotspots, and thats where the cool people go.

My husband & I are well known at the places we frequent, and I've always been somewhat high profile in nightlife environments throughout my adult life. It comes with its own set of complications of course, but I'll take it over invisibility or irrelevance any day.

If this is still your recommendation, my question is whether to show up alone or with my friend? Since it seems some of the reasons for me being called creepy are that I'm at this college bar as an older guy, alone.

On a side note about the Tea app, it seems the only guys who have green flags are chumps. Reading the comments on any of their profiles all say something along the lines of "nice kid, super sweet", "nicest guy ever", or "he's got an angel of a sister".

As far as red flags go, I've only seen 1 guy nearby who has more than me.

 

[BeExcellent]

If this is still your recommendation, my question is whether to show up alone or with my friend? Since it seems some of the reasons for me being called creepy are that I'm at this college bar as an older guy, alone.

On a side note about the Tea app, it seems the only guys who have green flags are chumps. Reading the comments on any of their profiles all say something along the lines of "nice kid, super sweet", "nicest guy ever", or "he's got an angel of a sister".

As far as red flags go, I've only seen 1 guy nearby who has more than me.

See my revised posit above. Take a buddy this weekend if you think its worth showing that you have a buddy. But sometimes go alone too.

Would you want those comments written about you? Awwww. What a nice puppy dog......

Do your thing & be outcome independent.

 

[BeExcellent]

Not familiar with Law 6 but will research it.

Law 39: "Stir Up Waters to Catch Fish" I agree with! I interpret the law to mean stir waters by having an air of mystery, uncertainty and remaining detached from the outcome. Let the rabbit wheels spin.... like you said a devil may care attitude.

This stuff being posted about BPH is just ugly. I don't see how a woman reading that garbage would stir any waters/emotions in her other than negative and a big "ick." (Sorry BPH).

Would it for you @ Be? If you read that?

It's not a positive and not a pull imo.

None of that would bother me personally. But, I like the players.

You have to always think about the motivation of anyone writing that kind of vitriol. Why is she running her mouth? But hurt perhaps? These girls don't realize how insecure and immature and judgemental this reflects on them. I'd never post empty stuff.

I make my own decisions and there are two sides to every story.

When I was early dating my husband his most recent ex gf approached me & bad mouthed him and said things intended to prey on my insecurities. To my face. But you see I am not insecure. I told her, "Gee. Wow. We just don't have those problems. Sorry you experienced that....." I was impermeable because I'm not insecure. Her face was priceless (it was hard not to laugh, but laughing would have been mean....) My husband also was very transparent about her texts, calls (he never answered or responded) and emails. She wanted him back & was trying to frighten me away from dating him, as high school as that is.

So I do not take gossip on face value, and I don't gossip myself.

 

[Sega Genesis]

I make my own decisions and there are two sides to every story.

^^Totally agree I just don't see how hearing or reading a negative post(s) from a third party is gonna stir my emotions and pull me towards him..

My emotions get stirred by the man himself and how HE interacts with me. I think that's how Robert Greene intended that rule to be taken. Not by hearing or reading negative shyt about the guy. Jmo on that.

But, I like the players.

I have a sort of love/hate thing with "players," I can be pulled in by his attitude while at the same time exercise extreme cautiousness and in the beginning there may be quite a bit of push/pull.

Ideally I go for the "former player." A man who's sewed his oats and now seeking something with more depth and purpose.

 

[BeExcellent]

Exactly. That's who I married, lol.

 

[BackInTheGame78]

with respect to your all knowing of Robert Greene, he also said maintain an air of mystery. Not to mention I'll take Calvin Klein's actual success over Robert Greene's mental masturbation (those who can't do, teach, kind of like you) , yes it's nice he wrote a book but he's not even in Klein's shadow in term's of whose accomplished more in life.

Regarding reputation, it's been 2 years since you joined and we're yet to receive one field report from you.

I've always thought that was mostly silly, the whole "those that can't do, teach".

Mostly what I've found is that it's far harder to be able to explain things to others in a way that allows them to understand than it is to actually do, which is why more people don't teach. Because they suck at being able to explain things well enough.

Knowing how to do something and being able to explain it in simple terms to people who don't know the topic are completely different things.

 

[BackInTheGame78]

^^Totally agree I just don't see how hearing or reading a negative post(s) from a third party is gonna stir my emotions and pull me towards him..

My emotions get stirred by the man himself and how HE interacts with me. I think that's how Robert Greene intended that rule to be taken. Not by hearing or reading negative shyt about the guy. Jmo on that.



I have a sort of love/hate thing with "players," I can be pulled in by his attitude while at the same time exercise extreme cautiousness and in the beginning there may be quite a bit of push/pull.

Ideally I go for the "former player." A man who's sewed his oats and now seeking something with more depth and purpose.

There are no such things as "former players". Only guys taking a break for a while until that urge hits them that they can't resist any longer and then they dive back into it.

You can only deny who you are for so long before your shadow self consumes you.

 

[Bingo-Player]

I think about 5 years ago there was a big noise from red / black pill men on social media about "high value women" and because of that I think women around the world really started to realise that constantly doing selfies , thirst traps and club activity was low quality female behaviour and if you look now a lot of them have really started sanitising their public image.

In 2025 I actually think we are starting to see more red pill women , Tiktok is flooded with women calling out men for what they deem as low quality male behaviour.

And with all due respect OP you are a walking red flag to these types of women

Naturally older millennial women are taking the charge on this but Gen Z women are clearly following closely

I think being a 30 something guy trying to blend in with 20 somethings in the club especially just to pickup is becoming very very difficult

Even if the chick you're trying to pick up is cool with it theres a very very high chance one of her friends will have been red pilled against it. So you're fighting a losing battle.

There are certain scenarios where it can still work such as holiday resorts or maybe the gym ... but personally I think frequenting a local bar as a 30 something man constantly trying to pick up younger women is really asking for trouble in todays society.

 

[BillyPilgrim]

There are no such things as "former players". Only guys taking a break for a while until that urge hits them that they can't resist any longer and then they dive back into it.

You can only deny who you are for so long before your shadow self consumes you.

But that's why they're here, seeking intel for if/when that happens

 

[BeExcellent]

Don't be silly Billy. No intel needed. Every player I've ever known (friends, exes, spouses) eventually gets tired of the player lifestyle because essentially they eventually develop or mature out of it. It becomes empty/meaningless and at that point a quality relationship holds greater value.

Now that may take years or even decades, but eventually it happens.

So not worried about all that, lol.