"How I Made Sure No Woman Ever Friend-Zoned Me Again"

She calls you when her car breaks down. When she needs help moving. When some guy she's actually dating treats her badly.

You're the listener. The reliable one. The guy who would treat her so much better, if she'd just open her eyes.

She won't. You trained her to see you as the low-effort option — the friend who requires zero risk and zero investment. Every favor dug the hole deeper.

The "22 Rules" break the pattern. You'll stop auditioning for a role she already cast and become the man she chases instead. It starts with Rule 1.

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"She Laughed All Night. Then She Ghosted You. Here's Why."

Dinner ran three hours. She laughed at everything. You walked her to her car thinking this one's locked in.

Then: nothing. Two texts. No reply. What happened?

You did what most men do on a great date. You filled every silence, answered every question, and left her with nothing to wonder about. No mystery. Nothing to sit with when she got home.

Rule 3 of the "22 Rules" changes the ending: tell her a little, hold back the rest, and let her imagination do the chasing. The ghosting stops too.

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Can you expound on that or should I just read the book?
I just read the summary. He advocates "empathy" using your emotional brain, putting yourself in the other's shoes, and understanding their perspective versus "theory" which imo is much of what redpill is.

I'm gonna pick up the book, the author is a former FBI negotiator, which piques my interest just from that!

But yeah I'm big on empathy and seeing the situation from the other person's side which is why I have always supported how you handled things with your girl..

Again, my posts were directed at @Foe post.
 
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How frustrated did I seem in this thread? How frustrated did she seem in this thread? Work through the different scenarios of deviating from your own needs..
Not sure if what's in bold was directed at me, or your "you" was generic, but I wasn't the one trashing on you for how you handled things.

If it's working, I'm actually happy for you, for both of you. Are you?
I am in my relationship.
 
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Not sure if what's in bold was directed at me, or your "you" was generic, but I wasn't the one trashing on you for how you handled things.

If it's working, I'm actually happy for you, for both of you. Are you?
I am in my relationship.
You misread it. You asked for an explanation.
 

"You'll Never Feel READY to Walk Over"

Next Monday you'll feel more confident. After the gym you'll feel more confident. After one more drink you'll feel more confident. After you get a better haircut, a better jacket, a better job.

You've been "getting ready" for two years.

She's standing ten feet away right now. She'll be gone in four minutes. No amount of preparation will manufacture the courage that only comes from moving your feet.

Walk over. Stumble through the first sentence. Let it be clumsy. Let it be imperfect. You will feel more alive in those ten seconds than you have all month.

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Advice from the old lady:

Sometimes we as humans make a mess of things out of our own insecurities. I think that is what has happened here, to a great degree.

OP readily admits to disliking being alone, and readily admits that he wants a (+) female influence in the lives of his children.

1. Dislike of being alone is the root issue.
2. Need of female presence for the kids is the rationalization.

Does nobody else see this? To me it’s becoming very clear.

The healthy thing for OP to do is NOT move this woman into his home and learn to go through life with a comfort level being by himself. There is something lacking in OP. It is that lack which creates this dynamic in his relationships (and it was also there in some manifestation with his ex wife.)

Until OP straightens himself out and gets comfortable in his own company he’s going to torch his relationships and make hasty decisions like accepting the first girl who pays attention to him.

He is needy and insecure because of his discomfort being alone, everything else is a band aid for that; the associated drama is the necessary by product and distraction.

Just my $0.02
 

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Advice from the old lady:

Sometimes we as humans make a mess of things out of our own insecurities. I think that is what has happened here, to a great degree.

OP readily admits to disliking being alone, and readily admits that he wants a (+) female influence in the lives of his children.

1. Dislike of being alone is the root issue.
2. Need of female presence for the kids is the rationalization.

Does nobody else see this? To me it’s becoming very clear.

The healthy thing for OP to do is NOT move this woman into his home and learn to go through life with a comfort level being by himself. There is something lacking in OP. It is that lack which creates this dynamic in his relationships (and it was also there in some manifestation with his ex wife.)

Until OP straightens himself out and gets comfortable in his own company he’s going to torch his relationships and make hasty decisions like accepting the first girl who pays attention to him.

He is needy and insecure because of his discomfort being alone, everything else is a band aid for that; the associated drama is the necessary by product and distraction.

Just my $0.02
I think you nailed it. She’s moving in but I agree with you.
 

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Hahahaha, bro she hasn't had a bf in 4 years and she's out approaching dudes at the bar, so In essence she wants male companionship but can't find any, super duper red flag here, a dudes attention is incredibly simple to capture, she literally just had to place herself in front of you and you did the rest... How hard was that? Not hard. So why is she single? Likely ****s with dudes until a conflict arises then the BPD comes out.
 

"She's Out of Your League"

You've said it a hundred times. Maybe a thousand. And every time you say it, you train your brain to freeze the next time she walks into the room.

Leagues are a myth invented by guys who are scared of women.

She's a person. She has bad breath in the morning. She picks songs she can't sing in the shower. She overthinks her own texts.

Walk over. Say something. The league dissolves the second you open your mouth.

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What the hell happened, dude was banned? I must've missed something.

Oh well, wish him well.
 

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I think you nailed it. She’s moving in but I agree with you.
At first, everything was great…

Then, I got a bad feeling when I wasn’t with her and she didn’t answer.

She broke my rules.

Then, other guys.

Now how do I get her out?

It’s been 1 month and I did see her a few times but I can’t forgive her and I can’t let my kids know I seen her after what happened.

What is wrong with me? Why can’t I let go? I have options…

Signed, your future self.

I have drawn this picture for you because it is what happens to guys like you.

Please consider your future self.
 
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At first, everything was great…

Then, I got a bad feeling when I wasn’t with her and she didn’t answer.

She broke my rules.

Then, other guys.

Now how do I get her out?

It’s been 1 month and I did see her a few times but I can’t forgive her and I can’t let my kids know I seen her after what happened.

What is wrong with me? Why can’t I let go? I have options…

Signed, your future self.

I have drawn this picture for you because it is what happens to guys like you.

Please consider your future self.
Give it a rest why dont ya, geez man. Dw3 isn't even here to respond (defend his decision), he's been temp-banned per @Dr.Suave last post.

No one knows the 'ins and outs' of their relationship but the two of them, if it turns out to be a mistake, so be, just like everything else we experience in life.
 

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At first, everything was great…

Then, I got a bad feeling when I wasn’t with her and she didn’t answer.

She broke my rules.

Then, other guys.

Now how do I get her out?

It’s been 1 month and I did see her a few times but I can’t forgive her and I can’t let my kids know I seen her after what happened.

What is wrong with me? Why can’t I let go? I have options…

Signed, your future self.

I have drawn this picture for you because it is what happens to guys like you.

Please consider your future self.
I read your work while I was in solitary… I would consider the source if I was anyone following what this cat is saying.
 

"You Can't Argue a Woman Into Liking You"

You made your case like a lawyer. Stable job. Good guy. Ready for something real. All true. All irrelevant.

She weighed your points, nodded along, felt nothing — then fell hard for some tattooed bartender with a motorcycle and a gambling problem.

Logic is where attraction goes to die. The "22 Rules" work a level deeper, on the subconscious switches that decide within minutes whether you register as a MAN or as part of the furniture.

Stop presenting evidence. Start flipping switches.

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FYI @Dw3, your gf has got her own thread running on another forum. It sounds like you anyway.

The timing matches up to what you've posted, when you met, casual for months as youbqere going thrthen going exclusive.

. She talks about how much she was there for you during your divorce, her involvement with your kids and how

much you appreciate that and
You are way too involved in these forums to be picking up on this kind of stuff...holy cannoli.
 

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FYI @Dw3, your gf has got her own thread running on another forum. It sounds like you anyway.

The timing matches up to what you've posted, when you met, casual for months as you were going through divorce, then going exclusive. The dates match up.

She talks about how much she was there for you during your divorce, her involvement with your young kids and how much they love her and she loves them. How much you need her help with that and appreciate it.

She spins a bit of a different story though so not 100% sure.

Just thought you should know.
Good for her. Hope she finds what she’s looking for.
 

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Yeah I know the story is different but the timing and your kids matches, whatever.

So good, it's not you, that's settles that.

Like I said, I am too involved in some of these threads, owning it, my bad.
The timing is not remotely close nor is the situation with my children.
 
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I've deleted all my posts on this.

Take care guys...moving on.
 

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Wait...you ended up going thru all this, having he move in and then like a week later it's done?

Is that what I am understanding?
 

"How I Made Sure No Woman Ever Friend-Zoned Me Again"

She calls you when her car breaks down. When she needs help moving. When some guy she's actually dating treats her badly.

You're the listener. The reliable one. The guy who would treat her so much better, if she'd just open her eyes.

She won't. You trained her to see you as the low-effort option — the friend who requires zero risk and zero investment. Every favor dug the hole deeper.

The "22 Rules" break the pattern. You'll stop auditioning for a role she already cast and become the man she chases instead. It starts with Rule 1.

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