Getting jacked/ripped would eliminate 85% of the problems on this forum..

[Epicenter]

 

[Guy69JackBlue]

Right. Low calorie intake is seen to be good for longevity.

I don't know if you're being sarcastic.

 

[Epicenter]

I don't know if you're being sarcastic.

No I was not sarcastic

 

[Guy69JackBlue]

No I was not sarcastic

A good way to be healthy is to monitor your cholesterol ratio of LDL to HDL. Also to get advanced tests on your arteries. For example, you can get an ultrasound on your heart, you can get a stress test where you wear a heart monitor while running on a treadmill, and you can get a "cardiac calcium test" where they can see if any plaque has begun to form in your coronary artery.

I got all these tests back in 2019 and I was practically perfect on all the tests.

I still eat healthy (limit/avoid saturated fats and sugar) while I'm home, but I eat like sh1t when I'm on vacation. I just spent a week in Austria and it was nothing but Bratwurst and Frankfurters. But I only allow myself to do that because I remember how good my tests were back in 2019.

 

[EyeBRollin]

if you look at strongmen of the past - they were big but also fat. It’s hard to be both big and lean without test,Winnie and clen.

Correct. The rule is… pick two:

1) Big
2) Lean
3) Natural

 

[Georgepithyou]

I trained constantly - really hard for a year and a half and ate perfectly and all I got was the toned, athletic kinda non professional swimmer look

This is all you realistically need, it appeals to the largest demographic of women. Most women don't want a guy as big as Ronnie coleman despite what a lot of Gym guys think.

 

[Pierce Manhammer]

You are correct that a good personality and game can always seal the deal. The mental exercise here is to ask yourself:

"If I could clone myself and one version of me remained exactly as I am, and the other gets jacked, given identical circumstances which version of me would a woman I am courting pick?"

Some truths are self-evident. Why should one not improve everything one can relate to the things that can make you more desirable, if the goal is TO BE DESIRABLE?

You do realize women are not going to go up to a guy and say that, right? The guy still has to approach, carry a conversation, charm, get the number and escalate accordingly. Guys who are BAD with women cannot do this. NOTHING will change that. They still have to interact with these women, display good socials skills and emotional intelligence, know what to say, when to say it, etc. Muscles doesn't suddenly solve all of this. It's very naive and ignorant to think it does.

I am not big, not that tall, and put my jacked friends to shame when it comes to getting women. They have focused on the gym, I have focused on psychology. Reading people, situations, knowing when to be mysterious, how to use social proof, mastered being non-reactive, don't chase, smooth talker, comfortable in any situation. You think working out gives you the edge on me? I'm not trying to be a d!ck, I'm just telling you that social intelligence is what dictates how well you do with women. That is the bottom line.

 

[Jake_Gyllenhaal69]

Having large muscles has absolutely nothing to do with being healthy. It is all just for show.

The top 10 causes of death

WHO act sheet on the 10 leading causes of death. In 2023, the 10 leading causes of death accounted for 33 million deaths, or 54% of the total 61 million deaths worldwide. The top global causes of death, in order of total number of lives lost, are associated with two broad topics: cardiovascular...

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Show me on this list where it says "cause of death = muscles not large enough." The only part of gym that might help you is the cardio. Diet is WAY more important in preventing arterial blockages.

I've known this for a long time and confirmed it by asking several doctors. I will listen to the doctor with the MD rather than the "bro science" gym rat. And you should do.

agreed most muscular guys are just fat dudes with strength. In addition, I think most of these gun bros have low testosterone count and are basically sterilized

 

[Obee1]

Having large muscles has absolutely nothing to do with being healthy. It is all just for show.

The top 10 causes of death

WHO act sheet on the 10 leading causes of death. In 2023, the 10 leading causes of death accounted for 33 million deaths, or 54% of the total 61 million deaths worldwide. The top global causes of death, in order of total number of lives lost, are associated with two broad topics: cardiovascular...

www.who.int

Show me on this list where it says "cause of death = muscles not large enough." The only part of gym that might help you is the cardio. Diet is WAY more important in preventing arterial blockages.

I've known this for a long time and confirmed it by asking several doctors. I will listen to the doctor with the MD rather than the "bro science" gym rat. And you should do.

You are correct in that "large muscles" have little to do with health however muscle and their strength very much do have to do with health. I rarely take any diet and fitness advice from my doctor, whom is slightly overweight and had a total of 2 weeks instruction on nutrition in medical school. They tow the industry dogma and doctors aren't any healthier than the rest of the population with their "knowledge." Bodybuilders/ Athletes may not use their knowledge in the healthiest ways, but many are masters at understanding and manipulating their bodies for the wanted response. As we age are hormones diminish. As they diminish, we lose muscle mass and bone density (Sarcopenia/ Osteoporosis). This is also a way to get it's nutrients, protein & calcium in lieu of insufficient diet. Eventually, this is not enough so the body starts in on the organs. This is the beginning or the end. So the more muscles and bone mass you have entering later stages of life, the better and healthier you will be. On the "Cause of Death list is Heart disease, Diabetes, kidney disease, and Alzheimer's. Some call Alzheimer's type 3 Diabetes. All of those are metabolic disorders and almost always have the component of insulin resistance within the disorder. Go on PubMed and you will see the irrefutable evidence that resistance training has had a positive effect at reducing and/or eliminating many of these Metabolic disorders. Chronic and extreme cardio ravage the body. It floods the body with stress hormone and suppresses the immune system and breaks down bone and muscle. Many marathoners get flu like symptom after running a race because of this. I'll concede that cardio is good but for most people, walking, sprints, or rucking is adequate. Cardio is for healthy circulation and heart. Cardio should not be a tool for weight loss. Humans were meant to be active. 75-100 years ago, gyms weren't really needed because living life provided the necessary stimulus our bodies required. Your body doesn't give a **** if you throw hay bails feeding the cattle or you did power cleans as long as it's working. But today as life continues to get "easier" we get softer. I'll leave you with a quote from WAPO and a picture I put on another post. world class distance runner (aerobic) vs world class sprinter (anaerobic). Who would you rather follow?

"Researchers working with a sample of 20-to-34-year-olds at universities in North Carolina tracked their participants’ grip and pinch strength. They found that the average amount of grip force today’s men could apply was 98 pounds, compared to 117 pounds back in 1985."

 

[f(x)]

My Contribution:

Street Fights: I have been jumped twice in my life. Both times I was out late and wasted. I could have prevented the second occurrence with a flight response.

I have been forcibly removed from a respectable night club by two bouncers at once for being too drunk and dancing like a fool. I escalated the situation in front of the club and am lucky I didn’t get my head kicked in (life lesson).

A good buddy from high school/early twenties was about 5’ 10 and maybe 140 pounds. His forearms were forged by a dedication to drumming and amateur boxing. Anyhow he was a nerdy looking musician, but he was crazy as hell if provoked. Literally would fight you to the death. I witnessed several fools get served up when they tried to mess with him.

His mentor was a successful drummer who once told me that “it’s just better to be stronger”

 

[The_Hand_Of_God]

In response to the title of the thread. Getting ripped is definitely a plus, i disagree with the size though. At least where i am, theres a fine margin between good shape and too big. The leaner you are the better your face looks and the better your clothes will fit.

I am on the too big side at the moment, i am definitely not fat but i am stocky and wide as **** and i would give it up to be lean. I've also got a puffy moon face which is ****e so i could do with dropping weight untill i get some sort of jaw. It definately knocks your confidence when your not in shape, you just know you look dire. When your in shape, you can feel it and everyone around you notices is because 90% of the population are not in shape themselves.

 

[PRW63]

it will fix almost everything ..

If a jacked/ripped guy is socially awkward, socially uncalibrated, doesn't have a clue how to handle women, he is still going to get rejected. It just may take a few days longer before he gets the "You're such a nice guy. Let's just be friends". A lot of guys who are not jacked/ripped but are not socially awkward, is calibrated, and understands how women function do pretty well for them selves. The majority of the population manages to have babies at some point, and the majority isn't jacked/ripped. What might solve 90% of the issues here is if guys forcus on women that are in their own class instead of focusing on women that they will never get then crying that they got rejected.

 

[Guy69JackBlue]

If a jacked/ripped guy is socially awkward, socially uncalibrated, doesn't have a clue how to handle women, he is still going to get rejected. It just may take a few days longer before he gets the "You're such a nice guy. Let's just be friends". A lot of guys who are not jacked/ripped but are not socially awkward, is calibrated, and understands how women function do pretty well for them selves. The majority of the population manages to have babies at some point, and the majority isn't jacked/ripped. What might solve 90% of the issues here is if guys forcus on women that are in their own class instead of focusing on women that they will never get then crying that they got rejected.

Many females in USA have a delusional sense of what "league" they're in. Makes it difficult to communicate with them in any realistic way. Plus, relationships are boring.

 

[Guy69JackBlue]

I always feel like guys who get unnaturally big are compensating for something.

 

[Guy69JackBlue]

it’s common.

they don’t realise that a dude wanting to lay pipe in them doesn’t mean they’re in his league.

women only want to fvck guys they think are their league or higher. Men will fvck anything passable

therefore they think “this alpha railed me. I’m in the big leagues”

then they moan on about men’s lack of commitment, when it’s just their fault for misunderstanding the nature of both sexes

Yes. And they think horny drunk guys wanting them means that they're super hot.

 

[PRW63]

Many females in USA have a delusional sense of what "league" they're in. Makes it difficult to communicate with them in any realistic way. Plus, relationships are boring.

That doesn't negate what I said about the guys,...it just makes it more critical that the guy have a more correct sense of reality.

 

[B80]

disagree to an extent. Once someone has the basics, or some experience, size becomes a factor.

I am 210 lb. I have very basic training but I doubt a 150lb guy could get me down. How?

I can walk around with them hanging off me. No move can beat that.
plus all I need to do is grab and drop my weight.
As for punching, little guys just can’t knock out bigger guys. I’ve been punched by 300lb tubs of lard and it hurts - a lot.
The weight you carry is really important - even if a lot of it is lard, it makes a massive impact on fighting.

If the 150lb guy doesn't know how to fight, yes. If he's trained as a boxer for a while , he'll knock you flat out. Yeah size makes a difference if it turns into a grapple, but he'll be able to generate a lot of force in a punch via technique.

I saw a much bigger westerner get levelled by a Thai chap out in Asia on a night out. Clearly was into his muay Thai.

 

[Pierce Manhammer]

Since we are talking about fighting now, I’ll say this: I’ve had 6’2 265 mother****ers step
off when I’ve had to challenge them. They make a calculation looking at a guy that’s packing 170lbs of lean mass. They say “yeah I’d win, but that motherf is gunna **** me up a bit on the way down”.

The confidence that a good physique gives you shoes in how you even carry yourself. I have NEVER needed to fight in decades, it’s a beautiful thing.

This thread is clearly driven by those who aren’t muscular and those who are suggesting that you pack on some lean mass. It’s a excrement show and a waste of time. Those who can do, everyone else talks, so keep your skinny-fat physique I’ll be busy banging chicks half my age that like men.

We tried to help y’all.

 

[soulforge]

As a bouncer, I can tell you first hand the two reasons that most fights start ..

1. being drunk acting silly and invading peoples personal space

2. Messing with a dudes girl ..

So stay arms length away from dudes you don’t know, respect people’s personal space and if a girl says she has a boyfriend leave it alone because he might be there in the crowd with his boys.
You’ll be good 99% of the time.
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In response to the title of the thread. Getting ripped is definitely a plus, i disagree with the size though. At least where i am, theres a fine margin between good shape and too big. The leaner you are the better your face looks and the better your clothes will fit.

I am on the too big side at the moment, i am definitely not fat but i am stocky and wide as **** and i would give it up to be lean. I've also got a puffy moon face which is ****e so i could do with dropping weight untill i get some sort of jaw. It definately knocks your confidence when your not in shape, you just know you look dire. When your in shape, you can feel it and everyone around you notices is because 90% of the population are not in shape themselves.

Totally with this.. I am very much the same.. I get big real quick... I rather be leaner & defined than just a big azz dude.

I do have definition.. My arms & shoulders look good, however when I start benching, my chest & shoulders develop too quick & if I am not careful I end up looking wide.

Best way to deal with this, is to bulk a little & then cut with diet.. Also try not to lift too heavy.

I am currently lowering the amount of food I eat, so I can become less Jacked lol

 

[Maximus Optimus]

I disagree with this post. India has the most people in the world and there men arent jacked. They rarely lift weights in India and they are reproducing more then any country on the planet. If muscles was all it took to get women then bodybuilders would be the only guys getting dates and we know thats not true. In my personal experience I have gotten the most women when I am out of shape because I am confident in how I look regardless of muscles of not. I have also known alot of friends that were either fat or out of shape that got VERY hot women. Dont believe the hype on this site that you need muscles to get women. Its FALSE