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In addition to validation or seeking unconditional love for some, it's like the ultimate addiction and drug too.
Unlike everything else in life that can be bought, love(real) and time are two things you can't buy no matter how much money you have. I also think some view it as a challenge more than a necessity(ego and validation). Anyone can pay a sugar baby or prostitute in having them fake love/desire you, but not everyone can get them to genuinely love/desire you. That's one of those seemingly unattainable goals for some no matter how hard they work at it because unlike most things in life, the amount of work you put in will not guarantee you an x amount of outcome. So for the people that do reach that goal, they want to do everything they can to hold onto it.
Secret is to give it away in order to keep it. The more you think about this philosophically, the more it will make sense. There's poetry out there that can explain this.
 

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In addition to validation or seeking unconditional love for some, it's like the ultimate addiction and drug too.
Unlike everything else in life that can be bought, love(real) and time are two things you can't buy no matter how much money you have. I also think some view it as a challenge more than a necessity(ego and validation). Anyone can pay a sugar baby or prostitute in having them fake love/desire you, but not everyone can get them to genuinely love/desire you. That's one of those seemingly unattainable goals for some no matter how hard they work at it because unlike most things in life, the amount of work you put in will not guarantee you an x amount of outcome. So for the people that do reach that goal, they want to do everything they can to hold onto it.
Damn that's deep. So you are saying the reason why the thirst is so prevalent, is because truly being desired is so rare?
 

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Maybe that's why you feel the void... because you feel a void of higher human functioning and aspiration. You feel a void because some part of you knows you are meant to be more than an animal, a kind of existentialism. I don't know, just something that might be interesting to think about.
Man i agree. Fleshy pursuits will always leave you unsatisfied. I think only spirituality or philosophy can fill that void. Like you said we are not only animal. We got one foot in the animal world and another foot in the "spiritual" world.
 

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Damn that's deep. So you are saying the reason why the thirst is so prevalent, is because truly being desired is so rare?
Thirst is prevalent for many reasons but being desired is definitely part of it. But getting someone to desire you is definitely not as rare as getting someone to truly love you on the same level you love them. That to me is super rare. Oftentimes in most relationships, there is always one person that loves the other more.
 

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Interesting. I would say as I got older I lost indifference because of the sense of lost time and seeing the dating market crash. My peak indifference would probably be 27yo when I had abundance, the market was fine, and I knew I still had my prime ahead of me. Of course, all of this is because I didn't let go of my desire.
What exactly are we desiring bro? Is it the pleasure of actually bumping nice 8/10 butt cheeks that we are chasing? What is it exactly that we think we will gain? This is not a retorical question lol

If it is the pleasure of gripping a nice azz then cant we technically just buy that? So it cant be just mere pleasure.
 

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Thirst is prevalent for many reasons but being desired is definitely part of it. But getting someone to desire you is definitely not as rare as getting someone to truly love you on the same level you love them. That to me is super rare. Oftentimes in most relationships, there is always one person that loves the other more.
Why do we need that external source of love so badly? Its so crippling. You are depending on another person. A capricious female at that.
 

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My friend told me some real stuff once. He said even the most thugged out dude giggles like a school girl when he is pillow talking in bed with his girl. He was your typical urban black dude been to jail etc.

Even the "hardest" guys still desperately seek female unconditional love. If you can break this need then you will be in the top 10% of men mentally.
 

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What exactly are we desiring bro? Is it the pleasure of actually bumping nice 8/10 butt cheeks that we are chasing? What is it exactly that we think we will gain? This is not a retorical question lol

If it is the pleasure of gripping a nice azz then cant we technically just buy that? So it cant be just mere pleasure.
1. Social status
2. Feeling appreciated from women in particular
3. Validating sex from a willing partner
4. Love, even if we recognize that it's conditional at the end of the day
5. Companionship

I'm not saying that you shouldn't try to kill our desire and especially our need for these sort of things but I think this is pretty comprehensive of things that you can get from relationships that you cannot get elsewhere.
 

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1. Social status
2. Feeling appreciated from women in particular
3. Validating sex from a willing partner
4. Love, even if we recognize that it's conditional at the end of the day
5. Companionship

I'm not saying that you shouldn't try to kill our desire and especially our need for these sort of things but I think this is pretty comprehensive of things that you can get from relationships that you cannot get elsewhere.
Yeh brotha i agree. I think in non western nations that is a reasonable list of expectations...maybe. But you will definitely not find that in modern American women. The juice is not worth the squeeze.

Here is a thought experiment. Is there a society in which men dont want women to provide them with the qualities on that list?
How is the inter gender dynamic in those societies?

Is it an inherent quality of the masculine to seek #1-4? #5 i think is universal. What about tribal warrior cultures. Dagestani culture or native tribes or even nordic viking culture.

Maybe we seek #1-4 because we dont get it anywhere else. Our world is too civilized. Maybe if we had an existential fight we would find meaning in other things than a beautiful woman. Idk bro what do you think?
 

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Why do we need that external source of love so badly? Its so crippling. You are depending on another person. A capricious female at that.
There are some parts of a nan psyche he cannot fill alone. We are not "asexual".
 

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I have never been to war but i used to be fascinated by soldiers. Reading memoirs and books about war survivors you learn alot. These men were in a weird way happy. They had a tribe they could depend on. They felt needed and respected. They knew their place in the world because it was simple. Stay alive and help your brother stay alive.

They pretty much only used women for recreation. Prostitutes behind the safe zone etc. I am not advocating violence and the use of hookers.

I am saying that it may be possible to find true validation in something other than women. But you still need them to fill that procreation and recreation role. Funny enough thats what women are best at. They are best at objectifying themselves and best at being mothers. Thats also when they are happiest. When they are looked at as a sex object but yet also get to fulfill that maternal instinct.

Tyler Durden in Fight Club basically just used that chick for sex and maybe companionship ( kinda).
 

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Yeh brotha i agree. I think in non western nations that is a reasonable list of expectations...maybe. But you will definitely not find that in modern American women. The juice is not worth the squeeze.

Here is a thought experiment. Is there a society in which men dont want women to provide them with the qualities on that list?
How is the inter gender dynamic in those societies?

Is it an inherent quality of the masculine to seek #1-4? #5 i think is universal. What about tribal warrior cultures. Dagestani culture or native tribes or even nordic viking culture.

Maybe we seek #1-4 because we dont get it anywhere else. Our world is too civilized. Maybe if we had an existential fight we would find meaning in other things than a beautiful woman. Idk bro what do you think?
I think the closest are probably like the lifestyle that pro athletes in our society live. But even those guys settle down and get married eventually so I dunno. Ive found the social pressure to be overwhelming. I almost missed the days when I was beta and more or less content to focus on my passions apart from women, although there were sort of an unrelenting negativity that I had about self-perception and perception of others as a loser.
 

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I have never been to war but i used to be fascinated by soldiers. Reading memoirs and books about war survivors you learn alot.
"My most-dearest little Greta. 1000 times and well more think I on you, little sweet angel. God let me one time have that mercy to see you again. Forgive me that I've written to you…” - Georg Christian de Frese, cornet of Västgöta-Dal's cavalry regiment.

”Wish I that God the most-highest wants to preserve my dear miss mother and my most-dearest Sara little from all danger and all harm. She with I remain my most-dearest friend's most faithful man in in death.” - Anders Möller, ensign of Närke-Värmland's infantry regiment.

Letters from swedish soldiers in the Great Northern War (1700-1721), translated literally by me.

I guess these guys were just weak beta cucks though, right. And then the feminists can say their wives or the women they hoped to make their wives were the female equivalents of that.
 

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"My most-dearest little Greta. 1000 times and well more think I on you, little sweet angel. God let me one time have that mercy to see you again. Forgive me that I've written to you…” - Georg Christian de Frese, cornet of Västgöta-Dal's cavalry regiment.

”Wish I that God the most-highest wants to preserve my dear miss mother and my most-dearest Sara little from all danger and all harm. She with I remain my most-dearest friend's most faithful man in in death.” - Anders Möller, ensign of Närke-Värmland's infantry regiment.

Letters from swedish soldiers in the Great Northern War (1700-1721), translated literally by me.

I guess these guys were just weak beta cucks though, right. And then the feminists can say their wives or the women they hoped to make their wives were the female equivalents of that.
Lol i agree you can find examples of simp soldiers. But look up Ghenkis Khans view on women and how he treated them. I will find examples later.
 

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Lol i agree you can find examples of simp soldiers. But look up Ghenkis Khans view on women and how he treated them. I will find examples later.
I was being sardonic - I meant that those soldiers were good men.

Genghis Khan shouldn't be an inspiration, unless you want to idealize evil.
 

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I was being sardonic - I meant that those soldiers were good men.

Genghis Khan shouldn't be an inspiration, unless you want to idealize evil.
Hey brotha i agree. I dont like the guy either but he did something right. You dont take over half of euroasia unless you have some proven methods. In every " evil " leader there is some good. For example the guy never tried to convert the religious beliefs of the people he conquered. He let them practice whatever they wanted.

Much of what we know about him could also be false or exaggerated. But i agree i am not the bigges fan. There are other examples i will give later but he is the first that came to mind . Once i get off work i will send them.
 

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I was being sardonic - I meant that those soldiers were good men.

Genghis Khan shouldn't be an inspiration, unless you want to idealize evil.
Ghenkis khan put the men first. The men ate first and best because they were the warriors. It was the opposite of gynocentrism. So you put men first and the result is conquering the world. When you put women first in a society the result is Soy boys and negative birth rates. Hmmm interesting
 
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