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I cant even argue fukin mods or admin gonna ban me or delete my posts fukk them!!!
She calls you when her car breaks down. When she needs help moving. When some guy she's actually dating treats her badly.
You're the listener. The reliable one. The guy who would treat her so much better, if she'd just open her eyes.
She won't. You trained her to see you as the low-effort option — the friend who requires zero risk and zero investment. Every favor dug the hole deeper.
The "22 Rules" break the pattern. You'll stop auditioning for a role she already cast and become the man she chases instead. It starts with Rule 1.
That sentence contains at least five follow-up questions she WANTS you to ask. Where in Florida? What brought you here? How long have you been in the area? What do you miss? How does it compare to here?
She handed them to you on a silver platter. And you said, "Oh cool. I come here every week. I love this band. Ummm... pretty crowded tonight."
She smiled politely. Nodded. And never texted you back.
I was that guy for years. Talking too much. Listening too little. Panicking about my next sentence while she was literally feeding me the answers.
Then I found 22 rules that fixed the whole thing. Rule number one: shut up and listen. She'll tell you exactly what to say.
BMI doesn't mean sh*t. If you are muscular with a low body fat percentage and are 'overweight' based on BMI, who really cares? I'm 6 foot, 205 lbs and my body fat is like 12 or 13%. Not really fat by any means there, and I don't consider myself scary or overly muscular looking at all.azanon said:So now we have overweight people (pook 6'3", 205 = 25.6 BMI = overweight) rationalizing being overweight by thinking women actually like that? Overweight (and obese) people are a dime a dozen. They're all around me where i work.
I'm 5'11", 157, a cut 22 BMI lean, mean, and handsome. I could get to 25.6 bmi easy by just sitting on the couch and eating unrestricted for 3-4 months. But it takes work to maintain 22 BMI.
Azanon
You paid for dinner. You drove. You said "whatever you want is fine" every single time. All the effort, no expectations.
And she left anyway — probably for a guy who makes her pick up the pizza.
Painful. Also predictable. Her mind quietly concludes that anything requiring zero effort from her is worth exactly zero. You became a free sample, and free samples get taken for granted.
The 22 Rules flip the dynamic. Small shifts that get her investing effort, money, and time in you — until SHE'S the one afraid of losing YOU.
Is this a joke?azanon said:So now we have overweight people (pook 6'3", 205 = 25.6 BMI = overweight) rationalizing being overweight by thinking women actually like that?
I was wondering if this thread is a joke.Is this a joke?
It's hard to tell when reading text.
azanon said:I was wondering if this thread is a joke.
Jenkins, i know the type. The gym i used to go to, you guys would be about 5 inches from the mirror starring at your guns, while i was hitting on the chick behind you. Girls don't give a rat's ass about bigass muscles and bulk. Neither of those cure ugly. Girls these days know that muscles dont buy them nice things (i'm not saying i do either as that'd be AFC, but they at least want the possibility that it could happen, and it rarely does with the dumb jock types).
Again, the day being overweight actually turns on women, i'll bump my size up with ease because at 34, i know its extremely easy to gain weight. I was there actually a few years ago until i realized I looked like an overweight slob (and my BMI was 25.6)
Pook's had some nice posts (and i know this one is 2 years old, i just noticed it), but this isnt one of them. Guys, getting fat isnt the answer (and you cant see muscle through a shirt, so if you're high BMI, you look fat except when nakid).
If you're very well built, 25-26ish BMI is probably fine, but dont go making the mistake that its actually better than 22-23. For women, i'd personally recommend 22-25 BMI as the sweet spot. 22 looks better on my frame, so i dont go heavier.
I'd appreciate it if you could recognize a generalization when you see one. You're 0 for 1 so far. I have no idea who you are so how could i necessarily be specifically referring to you. Maybe you dont stare at your guns in the mirror when there are lovely ladies working out around you.I'd appreciate it if you don't toss out random judgemental statements based on one of my replies in this thread, thanks.
No i don't. Gratz on putting words in my mouth. I simply recognize that it does virtually nothing to help your game with women. As long as your weight is not too far outside normal ranges, i think the effect is mostly nil as long as one is well proportioned and toned. So i'm not saying 22 BMI is better, i just think its mostly a mute point... 22, 24, 26 BMI, is about 5% of it, and probably looks is the other 95% ... if we're talking about physical traits. This is to say nothing of how you carry yourself.Good for you if you want to keep your BMI low, but it sounds like you have a personal vendetta or something against muscular guys.
azanon said:I'd appreciate it if you could recognize a generalization when you see one. You're 0 for 1 so far. I have no idea who you are so how could i necessarily be specifically referring to you. Maybe you dont stare at your guns in the mirror when there are lovely ladies working out around you.
A LOT of guys do though and yes i do stereotype this because ive been a member of several gyms before and you'd be amazed at the number of guys in love with themselves. What's more interesting is watching a pretty chick laugh/smirk under her breath at guys that do this because they're thinking how could he be interested in me when he's darn near about to orgasm on himself.
So i say bodybuild with caution. The moment one falls into that kind of behavior, I think its going to end up hurting your game, not helping it. Women may like the jerk, but they dont like blatent arrogance and self-absorbed behavior.
No i don't. Gratz on putting words in my mouth. I simply recognize that it does virtually nothing to help your game with women. As long as your weight is not too far outside normal ranges, i think the effect is mostly nil as long as one is well proportioned and toned. So i'm not saying 22 BMI is better, i just think its mostly a mute point... 22, 24, 26 BMI, is about 5% of it, and probably looks is the other 95% ... if we're talking about physical traits. This is to say nothing of how you carry yourself.
The ones that might need to be concerned are, IMO, 21 BMI or less, or 27+ BMI. For the latter, you better actually be a body-builder to get away with looking good at 27+ BMI and even then you might look a bit "healthy" (in a bad way) with a suit or a lot of clothes on.
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I just found the thread surprising cause i noticed Pook has some good advise, some in the bible. I am not surprised at all to not see this one listed there.
Next Monday you'll feel more confident. After the gym you'll feel more confident. After one more drink you'll feel more confident. After you get a better haircut, a better jacket, a better job.
You've been "getting ready" for two years.
She's standing ten feet away right now. She'll be gone in four minutes. No amount of preparation will manufacture the courage that only comes from moving your feet.
Walk over. Stumble through the first sentence. Let it be clumsy. Let it be imperfect. You will feel more alive in those ten seconds than you have all month.
That's not the point. Pook said that years before you. What he's trying to say in this thread, it's that if you feel unconfident and ugly, bulking up will increase greatly your chances of having a higher rate of success with women. Yes, you can also get more confident and better-looking by making millions and asking beauty centers for advice, but that's not what this thread is about. PERIODAtomicDog said:I haven't had time to read this but wtf is wrong with the "lean" look??
Look at snoop dogg -- a hiphop legend -- his *style* is skinny. If he was fat he wouldn't be Snoop Dogg!!
Not to mention that I'm always seeing not just skinny but *short*, *geeky* looking guys with pretty decent chicks (7-10's) on the train...
Actually, he said that just getting big does the work for you. His post had nothing to do with it indirectly building confidence. He said 99% of it was just getting big, and the extra 1% was a little effort. In other words, the advise was horrible.Adone said:That's not the point. Pook said that years before you. What he's trying to say in this thread, it's that if you feel unconfident and ugly, bulking up will increase greatly your chances of having a higher rate of success with women. Yes, you can also get more confident and better-looking by making millions and asking beauty centers for advice, but that's not what this thread is about. PERIOD
Hi,azanon said:I'd appreciate it if you could recognize a generalization when you see one. You're 0 for 1 so far. I have no idea who you are so how could i necessarily be specifically referring to you.
Three seconds. That's how long it took. Your shoes. Your posture. The way you held your drink. Whether you looked at the floor or looked at her.
She already filed you away. Interesting. Boring. Safe. Bold. Before you even opened your mouth.
Everything you say after that is just her confirming what she already decided.
So stop rehearsing lines. Fix the first three seconds. Stand tall. Look up. Smile like you mean it. Walk like you belong wherever you're standing.
The words come later. The impression comes first.
Most guys accidentally kill attraction before they even speak. They assume they need a bigger bank account, a better physique, or smoother lines. They miss the point.
Female desire operates on a specific set of psychological triggers. Break them, and you're invisible. Follow them, and you become magnetic.
I learned this the hard way. Years of freezing up. Getting friend-zoned. Watching other guys walk away with the girl I wanted. Then I discovered a set of 22 simple rules that rewired my entire approach.