What every skinny guy should know...

Pook

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Smart, fun, and interesting. So why is it that all the beautiful women always seem out of your grasp?

Why!? You may even be athletic. You can do karate, can run super fast around the track, along with other things. So why does it seem you can get the average to cute girls but the very attractive women seem out of your reach?

What is holding you back is that you are skinny.

“But I like being skinny,” you say. “Look at all those fat people!” Indeed. “Those guys who go to the gym and all are just idiots.”

There was an article in the Atlantic Constitution that said how average women marry skinny guys over big guys. It also said… why am I parroting? Let the article speak for itself:

"When women are choosing mates - except for very attractive women -- they're facing a tradeoff of choosing a guy who's very sexy or one who will stick around and treat them well," he added.
It is self-evident that beautiful women end up with the masculine men, in other words, NOT skinny guys like you.

I know… I can hear what the objections you’re saying… because I used to make them. It seemed so ‘jock like’ and is ‘below you’.

I have gained over 50+ pounds of muscle mass. There is a saying that when skinny guys get big, when they look in the mirror, they still see the skinny guy. This is true, as my ‘skinny mind’ hasn’t yet caught up with my body.

Let me tell you of the change of reactions I got from the women:

For your reading pleasure,

Fat Girl = Means a big girl that requires an elephant gun.

Ugly Girl = In the same category as Fat Girl. These girls may not be fat, but it hurts to look at them.

Average Girl = They don’t hurt your eyes, but they aren’t amazing enough to attract your eyes. Average girls are the plain Janes.

Cute Girls = Often, they are innocent average girls whose innocence makes them cute. They are a bit picky about who they end up with as they are inexperienced.

Very Attractive = Great curves, long luscious hair, nice everything. These women know they are very attractive and sometimes narcissistically wear outfits to reflect it.

Very Beautiful = Bombshell. Every guy will notice this girl and stare and gawk. You know one of these women are around by seeing the satellites of boys trying to be ‘friends’ with them. Guys fear these magnificent creatures.

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I started out around 155 pounds at 6’3 height. This meant that I was very skinny. I was also considered a nice looking guy. Women loved me being tall.

At this point, I had to deal with a lot of fat chicks hitting on me. These girls were BIG and I wanted nothing to do with them. Ugly girls also would come to me. This was me not doing anything. This was what my body was attracting all alone. If I wanted to get a cuter girl, I had to work for it.

I have problems talking to women, not because I am scared or boring, but because I sense the women think I am ‘below’ them. And the truth is that they do.

I date average women.

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Already, things have changed. The fat/ugly women still go for me but they don’t think I’m as easy. They want to enter oneitis with me. The ‘unworthy’ girls category would now all be staring at me. To the beautiful women, I’m just a typical guy. Cute girls now enjoy talking to me.

I still date average women and now some cute women

175

“You are looking very good,” my older female manager told me. The fat/ugly women no longer hit on me (thank goodness!) and people (out of the blue) are asking why I don’t have a girlfriend. Average girls are beginning to stare.

I date only cute women with some very attractive ones mixed in.

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Average girls are now hitting on me. Very attractive women are checking me out. At this stage, every woman is happy to talk to me. They all secretly wonder if I’m gay.

I date more very attractive women but still have the cute ones.

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OK, when you don’t have a girlfriend at this stage, the ladies will whisper, “Is he gay?” all the time. One girl got bold about it and asked me point blankly, “Pook, you are cute and all. So why don’t you have a girlfriend?” I was stunned by her bluntness (rare among women).

Average women consider me out of their league. Cute ones try to become my ‘friend’.
I date only very attractive women. Beautiful women are still a bit of an anomalie.

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When you get to this stage, something very strange happens. All the attention and staring women gave you is gone (mostly). Ugly/Fat women will despise you as will the average women. Most girls will be scared of you (cute girls, very attractive girls)

Let me give you some examples. One Very Beautiful girl was in several of my classes. I start talking to her and she has plenty of time to leave. But she doesn’t… she stays to keep talking to me. The girls now notice me, but are a bit scared to talk and act around me.

One cute girl is like a leech to me in one of my classes. She must sit right next to me, must ‘borrow my notes’, must talk to me 20 minutes after class everyday…

One Very Beautiful woman was a fitness instructor at my gym (think ‘well muscled’ with nice strong legs (those strong thighs come in handy with her dealings with the Pook-man!)). Every time I saw this girl, she always had a ‘satellite’ boy around her. Who does she end up with? Me.

Or the ultimate example: there was a girl I was in oneitis that drove me to this webpage. As I got bigger, her reactions to me changed as well. At 155, I was ‘average’. At 175, she knew something was up. I got her at 195.

Now I date some Very Attractive women but most are Very Beautiful Women.

I know many of you guys are saying the same thing, “I get beautiful women too and I am skinny!” But the thing is, all these examples here is based on attraction on the body alone. I am NOT working to get these women. My body is doing 99% of the attracting. I can just be a statue and get a response. (But of course, you have to take action. This is based on doing zilch.)

Rather than work hard to get one woman, why not work hard on yourself and get all the women? I don’t work hard to get women, I work hard on my dreams which gets the women automatically.

Like the article says on top, only the extremely beautiful women will risk being with a hunk like you. If you want a girl with a great body, you ought to work on your own body.

Coming from a skinny guy, being big is a totally different world. The worst thing is finding out how people really viewed the old you. People now openly insult my past skinny self and it hurts. It hurts because I never knew they had thought that way of me. Clothes no longer hang on my body properly, but I look terrific naked (I am saying this for the mental imagery of our lovely lady readers).

Big guys are allowed to get away with more things. I allowed to be cruder, to be bolder, to take advantage of women more (I’m serious!), and so on. You can also be stupid as well. My biggest problem is women only wanting me for sex (no, this is not a joke. Yes, it is a problem). You try to find a girl that fits your life and all she is interested in is your body! It is like getting rich and putting up with gold diggers.

So how do you go from being skinny guy to brawny guy? There is a lot of information on the Internet. Diesel’s Guide to Bulking Up threads in the Health Forum is a start. For myself, I used Anthony Ellis’s program. 30lbs in 3 months, no joke. Though, for most people beginning, it will be like 30lbs in 4-5 months. The big problem with fitness is that there are so many different opinions. Many of them are wrong and will waste your time (including trainers). What I loved about Ellis’s program was that it cut all the hype and came up with very in-depth information. It works.

However, the risk with body building is that it can turn into a highly narcissist womb. I often think the mirrors in the gyms are not so much to perfect the form, but to perfect the ego. The risk is that you will try to become perfect and we all know that perfect is boring.

Now for a note to the skinny guys who are successful with women. They will, no doubt, post replies to challenge the relevancy of this post. Know that the central… thrust… of the post is not a bettering of image. It is an increase of testosterone. If you are naturally skinny, and are at a higher muscle mass, your body will continually be at a high state of testosterone building and rebuilding muscle mass just to stay the same. High rates of testosterone affects not only your actions, I believe women can sniff it out. So take a guy, stuffed with testosterone, and push him into a room full of lovely young ladies. He doesn’t speak a word. He won’t have to. The women will go to him automatically.

Such is the power of testosterone. Such is the power of sexuality.
 
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The_Mole

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eh, am i skinny??

5'8" 150 pounds

i know no matter what girls wont go up to me cuz i'm not tall like u


however, my friends is 5'7'' 160 pounds and the girls stare at him


so i think i need to gain some mass

this is true

but i think asians girls date a different way
 

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Pook! I can exactly relate to what you have said. :D

I'm 5'10 and was 111lbs for the first half of my final year in high school. I was the biggest AFC ***** whipped shy little boy who was terrified of speaking to girls at parties.. Translation: I had next to 0 testosterone.

Fast forward to 2 years later and I have slowly gained 36lbs of muscle. The psychological (and physique) improvement has been tremendous. I am more aggressive and assertive, I care less of what others think, and now I have the balls to talk to girls. I feel like a new born man - it must be that testosterone that Pook has been preaching about, and he is damn right! :D

I'm not at the stage where Pook is yet (fending off HB's with a fly swat), but I can definitely notice some girls eyeing me in public. At uni it's as if girls are intimated by me.

For all you skinny guys out there, start bulking up now! You will NOT regret it!! (make sure you don't forget to do heavy squats and deadlifts!)
 
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hmm i am 6'0 190 heh yaw I don't know I get a lot of the how come you don't got a girlfriend questions I am like Haven't found my girl haha sooo vague...
 

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It also depends on your BF%. (I'm 10%)

People are always shocked at how light I still am (147).

You could be 150 and 5"10 but still look small and weak because most of your weight is fat.

Muscle is heavier than fat - don't forget that :D
 

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150 5'8" :eek:


i dont have a belly, but i dont look big, maybe my bones are heavy


this a great post for skinny guys like me

when i entered the dorms, i was 140, when i left the dorms i was 157

at 157 i started to get a small belly, i think i'm one of the lucky ones where the mass spreads everywhere

but since i'm not rich and cant eat buffet everday like back at the dorm dining commons, i dropped to 148-150

would be cool if i could be 157 again


and even if it was fat, fat=energy which means power, unless u a f***** lard piece of crap

exception is sumo wrestlers
u dont think sumo wrestlers are strong? look how much energy they have
they are healthy fat though because they eat right such as wheat and grains, fish, rice instead of hamgurgers and fries
 

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I believe it's more the process of acquiring the muscle mass that causes the increase in testosterone.

Endure yourself through the acute stress of heavy squats and deadlifts in the gym and your body will respond with increased testosterone production - required to help repair and build new muscle.

Playing in a competitive sport seems to have an influence too. I have a few mates that have been playing rugby since they commenced puberty - now they are real "men" who seem to have no problems finding a girlfriend. :)
 

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Originally posted by Scrumtulescence
Is more muscle mass the only way of increasing testosterone?
No. But in order to create muscle, your body must produce testosterone. If you are a skinny guy with lots of muscle mass, your body will be in a highly testosteronized state just to maintain the muscle.

I like boosting one's testosterone via muscle mass because:

-It improves your physique.

-Makes you develop good long term consistency.

-Improves your diet

-Gives you an excuse to get new clothes (you will when you grow)

-Increases strength (that you can use for anything)

-Gets you out of the house/apartment and away from your computer

-Puts you in an environment with other 'masculine' guys. There's a fireman that I work out with. Much prefer his company then the nerd boys.

-Keeps you ACTIVE rather than simply thinking

-And whole bunch of other things...

We know that fat guys need to lose weight. But no one told me that, as a skinny guy, that I needed to add weight. Do it. You won't regret it.
 

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Okay then.....I work out, so, umm, I guess I have high levels of testosterone then....

I haven't been doing super heavy lifting lately, though....deadlifts, heavy squats, etc. Mostly because I stopped going to the gym and have only been using weights at my apartment out of convenience. Ugh. Not enough time in the fricking day.

Also, that Ellis's Program link is dead.

I'm 5'8" and about 155, with low BF%, by the way. Recently a girl told me I have a "really, really nice body", but I don't know if she was just saying that because she just wanted me or if she genuinely meant it. Shyt, does it matter? :)
 

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Also, how long are your testosterone levels raised after a single workout? How long does that last? And you say that women may be able to 'sniff' it.....are you talking about pheremones, or something different, or just entirely guessing? :)
 
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GREAT TIP.... i agree deffinately

im 5'10. ive gone from being 175lbs of fat, to 175lbs of muscle at 8%bf in 1 year....okay i havent budged in weight..i dropped down to around 160lbs in the first few months and then bulked up and got right back up.

My confidence is up, i have people complement me. when i go out clubbing and im chatting up girls they ask to feel my arms (and i get the response "theyre like rocks!").

i dont know if i need to get bigger or not... cuz obviously pook at 6'3 and 205 is probably comparable to me at 5'10 and 175??? maybe afew more pounds.

people start to see you as an alpha, im a pretty good looking guy, ive got a good body now. my confidence is up and will talk to people happily for a long time. i will do absalutely ANYTHING if it looks fun..even if its wearing my mates girlfriends pearls at a busy party, shouting how its the new bling (damn intoxicating substances). but people end up just laughing with you, and knowing that your the life of the party..and people actually want to know you...its a great feeling...

"self improvement is masturbation" yep....it does feel pretty good!
 

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impressive pook!

you are a very fitting role model and inspirational to many including me on this board
 

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good post

The funny thing about weight lifting and me is that I was always afraid of gaining weight. Now all I want to do unless I am trying to be really ****y is gain weight (muscle mass).

real inspiring. I was 135 at 5'8" and now I am still 5'8" but have been put up to 150lbs. I have continued to weight lift and such and I feel the difference that I have but now I am having problems with it.

I don't want to clutter up your post with the questions so I will send it to you in PM form.

EDIT: PM sent
 
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I'm 180lbs at 5' 9" .. and the bigger I get the more the girls check you out... I'm amazed that everytime I go out now, girls who are 7-8+ (;) not age! but out of 10 lol) are always checking me out even those with their boyfriends ..I feel like a magnet, that girls are more attracted too me now than they have ever been , i feel great that I could just go up too most girls and that theyed want too go out with me.. :) I'm so not used too it!

top tip though would be too make sure you work your arms hard... cause i had been working out on and off since i was 16, but i never did my arm just my chest , stomach and back a bit.... so for the past 6 years people have taken me too be "fat" ..but as soon as I put on 3 inches on my arms ..people realise now i'm not fat but i'm infact muscle :) ...as soon as I worked my arms I became literally a babe magnet, i'm not confident in myself though so it's weird lol.
 

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It's no magic pill, but I completely agree!

Packing on muscle will create a huge improvement in your life, from the attention you receive from women to the respect you get from everyone to the confidence you feel inside.

As I've said before, being thin portrays being weak, so this not only puts you at a physical disadvantage but also a psychological one. A pumped body could perhaps be the male equivalent of big breasts - it's an instant sexual turn on.

I was thin before and to be honest I was getting plenty of positive attention from women, but I was perceived as "lovely", "sweet" and a even "pretty". I was not getting RESPECT.
 

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Dont go above 195lbs if you're below 5'9, if one of your primary goals is to attract women. To me, I think it makes you look way more solid, but to women [outside the US, atleast] they dont like it so much.

But yes, good post.
 
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thanks Pook
 
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