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The Final Word on Looks

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@Atom Smasher I see you are well intentioned, but your words are simply anachronistic and unfortunately not applicable with today's youth.

It is easy to say what should be done from the sidelines. But if you aren't in the game, this is just pontificating for the sake of taking a mental exercise to some desired conclusion.

If your post was written to attempt to help young guys, maybe in college or just graduating, it will unfortunately be counter productive advice.

Take Atom Smasher's advice if you want to hunt for unicorn women that are wife material. You will likely end up disappointed and alone. Atom Smasher got lucky with his personal outcome but he didn't grow up in the digital age, and mistook correlation with causation.

My advice to them, as a guy in my mid to late twenties so I still consider myself in that bracket, would be:

Take my advice if you want to hook up with 99% of the women out there:

Maximize your physique and physical appearance, get surgery if necessary.
Maximize your social media and real world "cache", via doing whatever is popular at the time. If you are not perceived as socially popular, you can be a genius with a PhD in astrophysics, you can be a pro athlete, you will simply be unattractive to 99% of women.
Maximize your money and flaunt it. That doesn't mean necessarily wearing expensive clothes, driving expensive cars, etc. That means posting pictures of vacations. That means having an "idler" deameanor, as a wealthy man your time is plentiful as you aren't bogged down with the rat race, getting your piece of code to compile before midnight so you have positive news to deliver at your daily scrum the next day..

I am embellishing the percentage here intentionally but the point still stands.
 
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@Atom Smasher I see you are well intentioned, but your words are simply anachronistic and unfortunately not applicable with today's youth.

It is easy to say what should be done from the sidelines. But if you aren't in the game, this is just pontificating for the sake of taking a mental exercise to some desired conclusion.

If your post was written to attempt to help young guys, maybe in college or just graduating, it will unfortunately be counter productive advice.
My poor, poor @DreamAgain ...

Let me help you a bit with your reading comprehension LOL. Here's what I just wrote:
"Most of my writings are not geared to todays youth at all, but rather to men who are emerging from the simplicity of youth to deeper, more nuanced truths. To such young men, my offerings are noise and cannot take hold in any way."

I sense that you pretty much exist within a narrow field of "certainty" that your experience level is all there is. There is absolutely no way for you to comprehend what I'm saying here.

I'm pretty sure the guys here know me as someone who took the principles taught here, applied them, and became hugely successful with women. I pretty much described the practical application of these principles in my life up above, as well as in many of my other writings.

You are in a state where you are compelled to view things within your narrow range of experience, so we should agree to disagree. I don't mean any ill-will, as when I was 30, I knew everything, too. I get it.
 

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My poor, poor @DreamAgain ...

Let me help you a bit with your reading comprehension LOL. Here's what I just wrote:
"Most of my writings are not geared to todays youth at all, but rather to men who are emerging from the simplicity of youth to deeper, more nuanced truths. To such young men, my offerings are noise and cannot take hold in any way."

I sense that you pretty much exist within a narrow field of "certainty" that your experience level is all there is. There is absolutely no way for you to comprehend what I'm saying here.

I'm pretty sure the guys here know me as someone who took the principles taught here, applied them, and became hugely successful with women. I pretty much described the practical application of these principles in my life up above, as well as in many of my other writings.

You are in a state where you are compelled to view things within your narrow range of experience, so we should agree to disagree. I don't mean any ill-will, as when I was 30, I knew everything, too. I get it.
Fair point, I missed that! My reading comprehension indeed does need work!
 

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Here’s what I’ve learned about looks. They matter. However, the average looking girl might not consider you attractive or “her type” at all and friendzone you, whereas the girl who’s a 8 or 9 thinks you are CUTE and exactly her type. I’ve had that exact thing happen to me. Friendzoned hard and made a fool of by a girl who’s a 6 on her best day, made me feel like I was the ugliest dude on earth. Then I met 3 girls consecutively that were WAY above her looks wise and I was their type all the way.
glad to hear it man that's good
 

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Here’s what I’ve learned about looks. They matter. However, the average looking girl might not consider you attractive or “her type” at all and friendzone you, whereas the girl who’s a 8 or 9 thinks you are CUTE and exactly her type. I’ve had that exact thing happen to me. Friendzoned hard and made a fool of by a girl who’s a 6 on her best day, made me feel like I was the ugliest dude on earth. Then I met 3 girls consecutively that were WAY above her looks wise and I was their type all the way.
So let me guess your confidence was flattened with her and was juiced up by the others. Then you looked at her differently.
 

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Research has constantly shown the same thing over and over.

The less a woman has spent time interacting with you and getting to know you, the more looks matter since that is really all she knows about you at that point.

This is why guys who are not great looking can end up with hot chicks...because they might be in the same social circle and they have gotten to know them and become comfortable with them and they find other things attractive about them.
At one time this was true, but due to so much choice on social media / dating apps, etc, these average looking guys get friendzoned or - more aptly - put in her simp category. Chad’s are her eff boys; the average looking guys are her butlers, chauffeurs,counsellors, human ATM’s, maintenance men, comedians, etc, etc.
 

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At one time this was true, but due to so much choice on social media / dating apps, etc, these average looking guys get friendzoned or - more aptly - put in her simp category. Chad’s are her eff boys; the average looking guys are her butlers, chauffeurs,counsellors, human ATM’s, maintenance men, comedians, etc, etc.
Sorry, but my experiences are not similar.
 

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So let me guess your confidence was flattened with her and was juiced up by the others. Then you looked at her differently.
Absolutely. It’s funny how that happened. Once I started looking at her differently she started to look at ME differently I think.
 

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Then she could finally see you as a attractive dude?
Have no clue. I wasn’t about to go back to her after I upgraded. I won’t break things off with a girl that’s fvcking me for one that never did.
 
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