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The Final Word on Looks

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“Do looks matter?”

Ahh... the age-old question that every man wonders about.

I believe I have developed an understanding of why this debate rages on, and why the two sides are poles apart.

I have come to realize that women can immediately tell if any given man has maxed out his looks, and if he has, he is considered attractive enough so that looks are no longer a concern.

As an example, take a man we would consider a “6”. If a woman sees that he has maxed out what God has given him, he’s just as acceptable looks-wise to her as a non maxed-out “8” is. While we men rate looks using a pretty much universal 1-10 scale, women rate men not on a universal scale, but rather on an individual scale.

While our scale is objective, women’s scales are subjective. If you are a man who has made himself look as good as he can with what God gave him, then you have that area covered and women will give you every chance to see if you can make them FEEL attraction. Looks are no longer a barrier.

If you are a “5” and a woman sees that you are dumpy and don’t respect yourself by presenting yourself well, you will be repulsive to her. If, on the other hand, you are naturally a “5” but you present yourself well (clothing, body language, fitness, SHOES), the barrier of entry vanished and she will be open to you. At that point it’s all about whether or not you can make her feel that attraction through your verbal skills.

If you think of yourself as a lowly 3, 4, 5, or 6, and consider yourself out of the running because of your looks, you can reverse that by presenting the best “you” to the world. Never forget that a woman will give such men a chance if they see that he pays attention to how he presents himself. They judge not so much on innate, objective looks, as much as they do on what a man does with what he has.

Of course there are plenty of women who will judge on an objective, Hollywood-inspired scale, but there are plenty more who judge based on an individual’s presentation of his natural self.
Personality and expressive animation can skyrocket your looks but as much as 3 points. Thats the BP for the BPer's
You can be Brad Pitt but if you're dead inside you are going to struggle keeping them. They will die inside along with you.
Life is energy as much as matter if not more
 

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Here's a good example that it's not just about looks

This is Bret Bielema and his wife; head coach of the Illinois Fightning Illini football team. They apparently met at a poker table/blackjack table in Vegas and she didn't know he was a Division 1 football coach with a high income.

I've seen the guy speak and he has charisma and his players love him. It's more about personality.
 

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Here's a good example that it's not just about looks

This is Bret Bielema and his wife; head coach of the Illinois Fightning Illini football team. They apparently met at a poker table/blackjack table in Vegas and she didn't know he was a Division 1 football coach with a high income.

I've seen the guy speak and he has charisma and his players love him. It's more about personality.
Exactly. By the way, there are plenty of pretty women out there who like the big teddy-bear types, but I would never bank on that unless I was a natural teddy-bear type of guy.
Women’s perception of looks can be fairly malleable based upon the energy you project. But again, the whole point of this thread is that so many men are paralyzed by what they consider to be ugly looks, when in fact there is plenty they can do about that to make it no longer an issue.
 

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Exactly. By the way, there are plenty of pretty women out there who like the big teddy-bear types, but I would never bank on that unless I was a natural teddy-bear type of guy.
Women’s perception of looks can be fairly malleable based upon the energy you project. But again, the whole point of this thread is that so many men are paralyzed by what they consider to be ugly looks, when in fact there is plenty they can do about that to make it no longer an issue.
One of the articles on the main SS states something like, "Preference is not the same as attraction."
 

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So you are saying that a normie that dresses well beats a Chad that dresses less well? Sorry, I'm not buying this; women want to get naked next to Chad's naked body, so it doesn't matter. I myself feel the same away about women, so long as whatever they are wearing shows off the physique (e.g., tight T-shirt & yoga pants).

The only thing that FashionMaxxing does is prove the ability to BetaBux - and of course, Chad doesn't need to concern himself with that.
Chad who dresses like crap > Normie who dresses well.
 

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Personality and expressive animation can skyrocket your looks but as much as 3 points. Thats the BP for the BPer's
You can be Brad Pitt but if you're dead inside you are going to struggle keeping them. They will die inside along with you.
Life is energy as much as matter if not more
Facts. One thing not discussed is energy. I guess not because how can you calculate "energy"? But girls are more in tune with vibes then men ever will be. Ther is a certain subcommunication between men and women that is unfakeqble. One of the reasons why PUA and tactics never work if you don't get your mindset right.
 

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Exactly. By the way, there are plenty of pretty women out there who like the big teddy-bear types, but I would never bank on that unless I was a natural teddy-bear type of guy.
Women’s perception of looks can be fairly malleable based upon the energy you project. But again, the whole point of this thread is that so many men are paralyzed by what they consider to be ugly looks, when in fact there is plenty they can do about that to make it no longer an issue.
In that particular case , they were both at the same table and ofc they started talking . So both of them were locked in the same place , which gave the guy the opportunity to start the seduction process

plus the preselection factor , most likely he was not playing the minimum entry per hand

it would be different if he would do night or day game , as women are not locked to a specific place and you do not have any preselection to back up your game
 

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Exactly. By the way, there are plenty of pretty women out there who like the big teddy-bear types, but I would never bank on that unless I was a natural teddy-bear type of guy.
Women’s perception of looks can be fairly malleable based upon the energy you project. But again, the whole point of this thread is that so many men are paralyzed by what they consider to be ugly looks, when in fact there is plenty they can do about that to make it no longer an issue.
I guess the same holds true for "attractive" women in Hollywood that alot of men find hot; although they don't have classical cookie cutter good looks......Anya Taylor-Joy (Queens Gambit) Christina Ricci, Eliza Dushku, Amanda Seyfried
 

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Chad who dresses like crap > Normie who dresses well.
Lol. The Chad will get points for his DGAF attitude, and the Normie will be looked at as try hard.

You can be Brad Pitt but if you're dead inside you are going to struggle keeping them. They will die inside along with you. Life is energy as much as matter if not more
I appreciate this more as an older person than ever before. Energy is everything.
 

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There is no reason not to look well put together over sloppy or slovenly, ever. I mean how much effort does it take really to wear a pair of jeans that fits well, a fitted t-shirt and a cool pair of shoes? No more effort than something slouchy.
Chad can get by with a sweatshirt and tight shorts that shows the contour of his manhood. :rolleyes:
 

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Chad can get by with a sweatshirt and tight shorts that shows the contour of his manhood. :rolleyes:
So now men are suffering from body dysmorphia and looks-jealousy?

What's next, dudes will chase women who have money and status?
 

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I think I select for a man I will look well matched with appearance wise and I think I do this subconsciously.
Some of my other post ive mentioned this.
"women see you how other people see you" men not so much
Part ego and part nature.

Its Female social mechanisms. Some of that view is how you also see yourself.
(If you own it)
If all your friends see you as a stooge and they treat you as such. There's a good chance she will eventually too.

You say spoiled but its probably more of a high maintenence thing. This topic has been beaten to death but guys worry about it way too much.
Comparison is the thief of joy.
 

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She will prefer one of the 10 based solely on looks.
100% disagree.

She'll quickly use her female ninja brain and do a hierarchy scan.

Then observer, verify and recalibrate if needed.

And then pick the one who's in charge, whoever has the most relative status. The one the other dudes are referring to.

And dudes being in charge of other dudes have very little to do with looks.
 

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100% disagree.

She'll quickly use her female ninja brain and do a hierarchy scan.

Then observer, verify and recalibrate if needed.

And then pick the one who's in charge, whoever has the most relative status. The one the other dudes are referring to.

And dudes being in charge of other dudes have very little to do with looks.
Is she always gonna want to fvck the one in charge? Even if he's not sexually Attractive? I could understand that she'll want to get favors from him.
 

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100% disagree.

She'll quickly use her female ninja brain and do a hierarchy scan.

Then observer, verify and recalibrate if needed.

And then pick the one who's in charge, whoever has the most relative status. The one the other dudes are referring to.

And dudes being in charge of other dudes have very little to do with looks.
It is not really the case :)

usually a woman will have a preference based on looks and how you present yourself , that can or can not change if a more dominant guy is in the picture
 

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I have to say that I think it's as simple as her needing to think you are good looking. And depending on how much you meet her minimm requirement (maybe a 7) is related to how much 'game' you need to seal the deal

It's not about being well groomed and taking a shower (if she thinks you're a 4, but she can see you;ve taken a shower and workout and had a haircut, you still have zero chance)

It's that, luckily, not all girls have identical taste in what makes a man handsome. I feel like i've even experienced this in my life myslf a few times (getting rejected by 5's and end up pulling a 7 because she just happens to had unusual taste when it comes to looks)

But as someone who has a really good looking wing man, I literally cannot take someone seriously if he tells me 'girls don't care about looks like we do bro' bla bla bla. The stuff i've seen him do and how girls react to him and approach him is crazy.

And especially when we're talking about very young girls. I'd go as far to say they are EVEN MORE superficial about looks than us men are!! lol
Yes...I would say I am maybe a 6ish...6.5 if factoring in my build but I have had extremely hot women who I would say are 8s or 8.5s go crazy for me and tell me how hot they find me.

Everyone's idea of what is attractive is different and personality and the vibe you have with a woman will help you a LOT more than you realize especially if you meet their minimum requirement.
 
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