Should we de-fund/abolish the police?

[Epicenter]

So you want an answer on how to be happy, expecting a process, a step by step ritual, without taking into account of ur inherent personality, ur upbringing and how you currently think ?

My bad, I forgot to mention all those things above will influence how you actually act in real life, and that decides whether u r happy or not.

That is what you said. I never said that they should not taken into account.

Well these things are quite vague.

 

[Epicenter]

There are astrophysical theories on the events that unfold over time that blow my mind. That the universe will end and time will go in reverse with all events unfolding but in reverse back to the beginning like a pendulum. Or of multitudinous universes with events happening differently in infinite possible ways. For instance you scratch your nose in this universe, but ignore it in the other, so not just big events. More recent ideas posit us being in a simulation. So maybe we're all helpless.

Yes bottom line is that infinite universe creates infinite actions and situations. Like you exist in infinite times. Doing infinite amount of things.

That is why one should take "reality" not too serious. Though as a determnist this is a paradox.

 

[Spaz]

That is what you said. I never said that they should not taken into account.

Well these things are quite vague.

Which one seems vague to you?

I'd be happy to explain.

 

[Spaz]

There are astrophysical theories on the events that unfold over time that blow my mind. That the universe will end and time will go in reverse with all events unfolding but in reverse back to the beginning like a pendulum. Or of multitudinous universes with events happening differently in infinite possible ways. For instance you scratch your nose in this universe, but ignore it in the other, so not just big events. More recent ideas posit us being in a simulation. So maybe we're all helpless.

You mean as in u r fated to be so and so?

If so, please don't even go there, this is what women normally say and men who are defeated regularly does to themselves.

Do you really believe that a man who consistently wins are hapless in dire a situation or they will fight tooth and nail to not only survive it but thrive?

 

[Epicenter]

Which one seems vague to you?

I'd be happy to explain.

I tell you what I ment with process oriented and than you can bring your view too it.

The idea behind this quote is that: Normally we are goal oriented and that is fine but not always. In some cases it does not work because what one though is the goal does not seem to be the goal. So it could be good to stay flexible and change the goals regularly and sometimes even go without a real goal.

With goals you have the problem that you have hundreds of subgoals. As we change constantly and the world is changing constantly you have to organize your goal all the time That can be exhausting.

Even when you are clear with your goal. It is sometimes even necessary to concentrate on the PROCESS. Why? because the goal could take 20 years. It can be too hard too concentrate at the goal because it's so far away. In that case it's ok to concentrate on the PROCESS. If you enjoy the process you don't get disappointed that your goal is so far away.

Because many people don't know this technic they get rigid and when they fail with their goals they feel lost.

One thing more. A synonym to PROCESS ORIENTATION is OUTCOME INDEPENDENCE. That is something that is useful when we do experiments in life. If you are outcome dependent you might have a bias. You get too much OBSESSED and not enough detached. So you might lie to yourself in order to come to a certain result. Self lies might be produced that way.

It's a ying yang. Life is about balance.

You don't want to wake up one day having chased girls all your life to find out that your gay.

It's ok to be a solid rock but sometimes be like water said the asian uncle.

 

[Spaz]

Fated is a mystical term and I don't mean that. I'm referring to something more mechanical and scientific. The gears of space-time.

I'm not saying I subscribe to any of these theories, just pointing them out. The mechanics of the universe can make a lot of men very uncomfortable, because they feel helpless and insignificant rather than in control of their lives.

But if it makes you feel better you can imagine you are at the center of it all, which you are from your point of view. Yes you're a cog in the great timepiece but you're also one with it all and it's all within you. Everything is everything. After all we are literally stardust, globs of carbon brought here from other galaxies.

Yes we are carbon, from the universe obviously, there's no where else we're from, however since ant's are also from the universe I refuse to believe that I'm one with it.

But you have my permission to believe that.

 

[Spaz]

I tell you what I ment with process oriented and than you can bring your view too it.

The idea behind this quote is that: Normally we are goal oriented and that is fine but not always. In some cases it does not work because what one though is the goal does not seem to be the goal. So it could be good to stay flexible and change the goals regularly and sometimes even go without a real goal.

With goals you have the problem that you have hundreds of subgoals. As we change constantly and the world is changing constantly you have to organize your goal all the time That can be exhausting.

Even when you are clear with your goal. It is sometimes even necessary to concentrate on the PROCESS. Why? because the goal could take 20 years. It can be too hard too concentrate at the goal because it's so far away. In that case it's ok to concentrate on the PROCESS. If you enjoy the process you don't get disappointed that your goal is so far away.

Because many people don't know this technic they get rigid and when they fail with their goals they feel lost.

One thing more. A synonym to PROCESS ORIENTATION is OUTCOME INDEPENDENCE. That is something that is useful when we do experiments in life. If you are outcome dependent you might have a bias. You get too much OBSESSED and not enough detached. So you might lie to yourself in order to come to a certain result. Self lies might be produced that way.

It's a ying yang. Life is about balance.

You don't want to wake up one day having chased girls all your life to find out that your gay.

It's ok to be a solid rock but sometimes be like water said the asian uncle.

Wrong.

People who are process oriented are the ones who becomes obsessed, refer to the multitudes of post of BPD threads, cold approaching, etc.

Those guys are process oriented to the point that it has skewered their lifestyle for tens of years and they're all here continuously doing it until Spaz says something which they all feel insulted.

 

[Epicenter]

Wrong.

People who are process oriented are the ones who becomes obsessed, refer to the multitudes of post of BPD threads, cold approaching, etc.

Those guys are process oriented to the point that it has skewered their lifestyle for tens of years and they're all here continuously doing it until Spaz says something which they all feel insulted.

Again I never talked about being process obsessed.

I said a balance between goal orientation and process orientation seems ok.

I try one more time then I am done I guess:

Think of a guy talking to a girl.

Goal orientation means he wants to get to the next level (sexual or whatever). Tries to reach next milestones till he gets to the goal. If the ROI is not good enough he stops.


Process orientation means he wants to enjoy the exchange. If he doesn't enjoy it he stops.

A balance of both seems to make sense

 

[Spaz]

Believe's got nothing to do with it. But if it diminishes your sense of importance, it's okay. I allow you to feel small in the face of something mighty. This is a common reaction. Stay curious, grasshopper.

Let's compare with a man who has always achieved much in life, you think he feels small or you think he acts like the universe revolves around him?

Now do you realise which type of man you are?

And why you're only ever been mediocre, even with women, a much weaker being, intellectually and physically ?

It all starts with the mindset, you think u r small, you become small.

Of course, the best excuse a small man can give, it's all because of the universe....

 

[Spaz]

Correct, grasshopper, any excuse you are using is just an excuse and one's mindset is paramount. Within your mind exists multitudinous universes, it is just a matter of tapping into them. It is all part of everything and someday you will come to understand.

I gave you permission to indulge your feelings of smallness in order to think much bigger, and you are now on your way.

You're learning and growing. To be mighty like me requires that you have several paradigm shifts. From the acorn, the oak - in time.

You are starting to sound like that fella who's trying to sell his egolessness oil...but then gets upset when I debunked and derailed his train of thought.

If you like to have a robust discussion abt the multiverse, 1st provide some facts and not just something out of the air that's mere hypothetical.

 

[Spaz]

Tsk, you were on your way but now you fall into old habits. This is why you are still green and deficient in all phases - in life direction, with women, in mindfulness and in success. The reason you remain miserable is because your ego won't get out of your way, grasshopper.

Now do you see you have never challenged yourself truly, as a man, mentally, physically, spiritually? While other men here grow and flourish you remain static, like your corpse avatar.

It is also why you lash out in childlike anger. You cannot grow if you do not first lose your frustration with self-made prison.

Can't provide proof of ur theory abt the multiverse and then you go on abt corpses?

I must have derailed ur train of thought and it was a total loss...

 

[Spaz]

Nobody mentioned "proof" but you. I'm not sure what you're babbling about but you sound as old as your pic.

This is why you fail.

Anyway this thread is about police, so I'm not going to derail it any further since it's been a sensible discussion and the mods have been cool. If you'd like to start a thread about your self-doubts, I'll be happy to contribute toward the courage you need to move forward.

Just say that ur believe in the fated multiverse is nothing but just what you like to believe in since it makes all the bad stuff that has happened, is happening and will happen to you be swept away.....as its fated in ur mind.

No need to lie and give so much excuses.

 

[Spaz]

Try to keep up.

So you added in a clause to disassociate urself in ur own postings abt ur own beliefs.

Must be nice living like that...

 

[Spaz]

That's cool bro, have it your way if it makes you feel better. This is boring me.

Regardless, yeah, my life is pretty awesome. Per your quote earlier, nothing bad has ever really happened to me. I'm glad you said that because it got me thinking how some people are always victims of "bad stuff" as you call it, but that ain't me, babe. You know what they say: avoid the unhappy and the unlucky.

Obviously it's of interest to you otherwise you wouldn't hv mentioned it in the 1st place..

It's fine to be in denial once in a while but in the long term, there's consequences.

 

[Spaz]

You're clearly more interested in this since you can't let it go. Your obstinance is cute, but I'm not an astrophysicist. Check your local library. Stay curious, grasshopper. Don't let your lack of experience keep you from learning.

Despite ur prejudices, I do sincerely want you to succeed samspade.

 

[Xenom0rph]

Bump

 

[user43770]

Fvck the police.

No offense logicallefty, you're good people.

I've seen the police let rioters run free, while enforcing the law on people not wearing a mask.

It's all so grey and gay now.

 

[zekko]

I've seen the police let rioters run free, while enforcing the law on people not wearing a mask.

I don't blame the police for that, they're doing what they're told to do by their political leaders, not what they want to be doing. Numerous police and their department heads have resigned or retired because they aren't being allowed to do the job they're supposed to be doing.

 

[Trez]

It's not just the left, it's the main demand of BLM, it's on their web page. If you don't agree, you're going to be labeled.

This is a misconception. “Abolish the police” refers to dismantling the current police department and starting over. All are fired and have to reapply. It was already done in Camden, NJ when it was deemed their police department was too corrupt to be salvageable. It does not mean “police should not exist.”

 

[Trez]

South Park, always prescient.