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Should a guy pay on the first date?
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You paid for dinner. You drove. You said "whatever you want is fine" every single time. All the effort, no expectations.
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Painful. Also predictable. Her mind quietly concludes that anything requiring zero effort from her is worth exactly zero. You became a free sample, and free samples get taken for granted.
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Should a guy pay on the first date? (Poll)
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diablo
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I would at least make the offer... It's the gentlemanly thing to do.
Omni
Don Juan
Whoever pays gains power and control (unless the other person is a golddigger, in which case RUN).
kixs
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I belive that the one who invites should pay - usually man! So in any case, 1st date should be casual ( coffee or something ) and it isn't expensive in any case!
If you're doing something more expensive like a dinner... then I woud pay 1/2 + drinks. If going to the movies, I would pay for the movie and she would for the drinks.
Something like that!
bye
If you're doing something more expensive like a dinner... then I woud pay 1/2 + drinks. If going to the movies, I would pay for the movie and she would for the drinks.
Something like that!
bye
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Dinner ran three hours. She laughed at everything. You walked her to her car thinking this one's locked in.
Then: nothing. Two texts. No reply. What happened?
You did what most men do on a great date. You filled every silence, answered every question, and left her with nothing to wonder about. No mystery. Nothing to sit with when she got home.
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On a first date, if you asked her out, you should pay... if she isn't worth it, why did you ask her out to begin with? If you can't pay, stop reading this forum and get a job.
I disagree. If I buy a girl things that doesn't give me power, it just shows that I'm willing to do things for her. That's bad.
I wouldn't pay at all. She should have a job and should pay for herself. As for that "whoever invited should pay" bull****, do you really think a woman who asked you out would pay for you?
The problem is, society as a whole still expects men to pay so you can either try to change that one girl at a time (and appear to most as poor or cheap) or just go along with the inconvenience.
Also, the only girls that will expect you to pay for everything are golddiggers. If you pay for the first date, nearly every girl will offer to pay for something else down the line.
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Maxtro
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I heard that if you invite a girl out to drinks or coffee, you should offer to pay. If a lunch date I have no idea. As for a real eveing date the guy should pay. But, you shouldn't be going on dates untill after you've had sex with her.
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I have never ever inn my whole life paid for anything for a girl except female friends and family. Actually most first dates have been the girl treating wine, cooking dinner or whatever. And it's always worked out great 
So my logic is, aslong as you haven't made it like that (asking her out to a special type of treat) then don't.
So my logic is, aslong as you haven't made it like that (asking her out to a special type of treat) then don't.
Maxtro
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Here's my situation. I'm getting pretty close to my oneitis girl. We talk every day and walk togther to the parking lot after class. Next time I see her; next, next Monday I'm either going get her phone number or have her come to lunch with me.
If we get lunch should I offer to pay for her? There's also a chance that her girlfriend might come along as well since they are almost allways togther. In that situation its generally assumed that everybody would pay for themselves right? They won't expect me to pay for the both of them.
If we get lunch should I offer to pay for her? There's also a chance that her girlfriend might come along as well since they are almost allways togther. In that situation its generally assumed that everybody would pay for themselves right? They won't expect me to pay for the both of them.
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I think your at the wrong place mate.
Maxtro
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So? If I can end up making her a ƒuck buddy it would be amazing. BTW I am doing somebody else already but its not consistent enough.
The thought of haveing constant sex with a hot 18 year old is something I can't pass up.
The thought of haveing constant sex with a hot 18 year old is something I can't pass up.
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lol, where did you get this idea?
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Yes, but you shouldn't end up spending a lot on the first date anyway, so it shouldn't matter. If you did, you lost control of the date. (been there, done this)
Maxtro
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I think I read about it here or at Fast Seduction and also in several seduction eBooks I've read.
Spending a lot of money on her is not going to get her to sleep with you. It may even have the opposite effect and she might hold off on sex because she sees you as a long term guy.
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he was dead right, yes guys USED to reward/buy chicks in the past for a way to get her to fvck, this no longer has the effectiveness it once did.
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