“The 22 Rules That Turned Me From Invisible to Irresistible With Women… Starting Tonight”

You can skip the expensive cars, the fancy clothes, and the endless gym selfies. Completely unnecessary.

I used to freeze the second a beautiful woman looked my way. Frustrated. Awkward. Watching other guys walk away with the girl while I stood there tongue-tied.

Then I discovered 22 simple rules that rewired my entire dating life. The anxiety vanished. Conversations flowed effortlessly. Women started chasing me for a change.

These rules trigger a woman's subconscious attraction switches. And you can start using them tonight.

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Should a guy pay on the first date? (Poll)

Should a guy pay for the first date?

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    Votes: 43 55.8%
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    Votes: 34 44.2%

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hjsknksbm

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Should a guy pay on the first date?
 
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"She Liked You in March. It's October Now."

Attraction runs on a clock.

She flirted for weeks. Touched your arm. Found reasons to be alone with you. And you were careful. Respectful. Waiting for the right moment.

The moment had a shelf life. It expired around month two, and by the time you asked her out, she'd quietly filed you under "little brother."

One of the hardest lessons inside the 22 Rules: women rarely wait. Interest either grows or it decays, and nothing decays it faster than a man who never moves.

Make the move while she's still inventing reasons to be near you.

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alboh

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I think if you're doing something really informal like grabbing coffee or some drinks, it should be 50/50.
 

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I belive that the one who invites should pay - usually man! So in any case, 1st date should be casual ( coffee or something ) and it isn't expensive in any case!

If you're doing something more expensive like a dinner... then I woud pay 1/2 + drinks. If going to the movies, I would pay for the movie and she would for the drinks.

Something like that!

bye
 

"How I Made Sure No Woman Ever Friend-Zoned Me Again"

She calls you when her car breaks down. When she needs help moving. When some guy she's actually dating treats her badly.

You're the listener. The reliable one. The guy who would treat her so much better, if she'd just open her eyes.

She won't. You trained her to see you as the low-effort option — the friend who requires zero risk and zero investment. Every favor dug the hole deeper.

The "22 Rules" break the pattern. You'll stop auditioning for a role she already cast and become the man she chases instead. It starts with Rule 1.

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Crank_It_Up

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On a first date, if you asked her out, you should pay... if she isn't worth it, why did you ask her out to begin with? If you can't pay, stop reading this forum and get a job.
 

S0LID

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Ha ha no way, you wannabe the guy her buys her stuff then go ahead. Do it once she'll expect it. Women have fighted for equal rights for years now they have it!
 

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Originally posted by Omni
Whoever pays gains power and control (unless the other person is a golddigger, in which case RUN).
I disagree. If I buy a girl things that doesn't give me power, it just shows that I'm willing to do things for her. That's bad.

I wouldn't pay at all. She should have a job and should pay for herself. As for that "whoever invited should pay" bull****, do you really think a woman who asked you out would pay for you?
 

blienk

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Originally posted by S0LID
Ha ha no way, you wannabe the guy her buys her stuff then go ahead. Do it once she'll expect it. Women have fighted for equal rights for years now they have it!
The problem is, society as a whole still expects men to pay so you can either try to change that one girl at a time (and appear to most as poor or cheap) or just go along with the inconvenience.

Also, the only girls that will expect you to pay for everything are golddiggers. If you pay for the first date, nearly every girl will offer to pay for something else down the line.
 

"Nervous Around Beautiful Women? There's a Rule for That"

I could talk to any woman I wasn't attracted to. Charming, funny, relaxed. Then a gorgeous woman looked my way and I'd become a sweating, babbling mess.

The fix took me years to find and ten minutes to learn. Nervousness and excitement are the same physical state — pounding heart, adrenaline, flushed face. Your brain just picks the label. And you can pick a better one.

Rule 16 shows you how. You feel the nerves, relabel them as excitement, and let that energy pour out as enthusiasm. Women notice the guy radiating it. They always do.

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Maxtro

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I heard that if you invite a girl out to drinks or coffee, you should offer to pay. If a lunch date I have no idea. As for a real eveing date the guy should pay. But, you shouldn't be going on dates untill after you've had sex with her.
 

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I have never ever inn my whole life paid for anything for a girl except female friends and family. Actually most first dates have been the girl treating wine, cooking dinner or whatever. And it's always worked out great :)

So my logic is, aslong as you haven't made it like that (asking her out to a special type of treat) then don't.
 

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Here's my situation. I'm getting pretty close to my oneitis girl. We talk every day and walk togther to the parking lot after class. Next time I see her; next, next Monday I'm either going get her phone number or have her come to lunch with me.

If we get lunch should I offer to pay for her? There's also a chance that her girlfriend might come along as well since they are almost allways togther. In that situation its generally assumed that everybody would pay for themselves right? They won't expect me to pay for the both of them.
 

Maxtro

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So? If I can end up making her a ƒuck buddy it would be amazing. BTW I am doing somebody else already but its not consistent enough.

The thought of haveing constant sex with a hot 18 year old is something I can't pass up.
 

"How I Made Sure No Woman Ever Friend-Zoned Me Again"

She calls you when her car breaks down. When she needs help moving. When some guy she's actually dating treats her badly.

You're the listener. The reliable one. The guy who would treat her so much better, if she'd just open her eyes.

She won't. You trained her to see you as the low-effort option — the friend who requires zero risk and zero investment. Every favor dug the hole deeper.

The "22 Rules" break the pattern. You'll stop auditioning for a role she already cast and become the man she chases instead. It starts with Rule 1.

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OzzyBoy

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I wouldn't pay but i might pay occasionally if she has been good on dates afterwards.
 

Crank_It_Up

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Originally posted by Maxtro
...you shouldn't be going on dates untill after you've had sex with her.
lol, where did you get this idea?
 

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Yes, but you shouldn't end up spending a lot on the first date anyway, so it shouldn't matter. If you did, you lost control of the date. (been there, done this)
 

Maxtro

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Originally posted by Crank_It_Up
lol, where did you get this idea?
I think I read about it here or at Fast Seduction and also in several seduction eBooks I've read.

Spending a lot of money on her is not going to get her to sleep with you. It may even have the opposite effect and she might hold off on sex because she sees you as a long term guy.
 

"I just moved here from Florida."

That sentence contains at least five follow-up questions she WANTS you to ask. Where in Florida? What brought you here? How long have you been in the area? What do you miss? How does it compare to here?

She handed them to you on a silver platter. And you said, "Oh cool. I come here every week. I love this band. Ummm... pretty crowded tonight."

She smiled politely. Nodded. And never texted you back.

I was that guy for years. Talking too much. Listening too little. Panicking about my next sentence while she was literally feeding me the answers.

Then I found 22 rules that fixed the whole thing. Rule number one: shut up and listen. She'll tell you exactly what to say.

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