BillyPilgrim
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Bc this thread has gone on too long lolHot take: why do we care?
The plates get cleared and the silence lands like a brick. You can feel her waiting. Your brain offers up your commute, your job, the weather — topics that have ended more second dates than bad breath.
Here's what most guys never learn: women hand out free conversational material all night long. Tiny clues about what they actually want to discuss. Catch them and you never run out of things to say — because she's telling you what to say next.
Rule 4 of the "22 Rules" trains your ear to catch every single one.
Bc this thread has gone on too long lolHot take: why do we care?
When a woman says it, guys hear a confession. A heads-up. A scheduling conflict.
Here's the translation: I don't feel anything. Right now. With you.
Watch what happens when a man triggers actual attraction. The busy career, the recent breakup, the "not in a place to date" — all of it evaporates instantly. The same woman who was guarding her freedom is suddenly free every night.
The "22 Rules" explain why. When the right switches flip, her timeline rearranges itself around you.
what’s with the photo of gigaChad? I don’t get it.Hey everyone,
I've been reading this forum for a while, and it helped me a lot at certain points in my life. Today it's my turn to share a story, because I need some outside perspective.
Let me say this upfront: I've got the situation under control and I'm clear-headed about it. I'm not getting ahead of myself and I'm not trying to win her back. I just want to understand what's going on in her head, and above all hear from the veterans here who've been through something similar.
The background
Let's call her Teresa. A very charming woman. I met her at a professional training program that ran for several weeks. We got to know each other, went out with the group, nothing special.
One night, she drank way too much. I offered to walk her back, no ulterior motive: as far as I was concerned, I had no chance with her. We ended up in my hotel room, and I told her it was just so she could sleep somewhere safe. She tried to sleep with me 3 or 4 times. I said no every time, she wasn't in a state to decide. Nothing happened that night.
What happened next
The weeks went by, the training continued… and what was bound to happen, happened. We slept together. Then again. And again. She even paid for hotel rooms herself so we could spend more time together. Important detail: she was in a relationship the whole time.
When the program ended, we called each other often and talked about meeting up. But when it came time to choose, she never took the step. No clear answer, and I got fed up with the ambiguity. In the end, she stayed with her boyfriend.
Where things stand now
It's been 4 years. 4 years without a single message or call. We both moved on with our lives.
And now she's reached out. When I asked her why now, she said she came across one of my YouTube videos and it made her want to get back in touch.
We've talked a bit since then. As it happens, I'll be passing through the city where she lives soon, so I asked her straight out: "Come on, let's grab a drink." I plan to go.
I'm not expecting anything in particular. Whatever happens, happens. I don't have an opinion on it either way.
What I'd like to understand
She has everything: security, a boyfriend who seems like a decent guy, a stable life. That was true 4 years ago, and it's still true today. Back then, she still went looking for an affair on the side before choosing stability.
And today, with all of that, she's coming back anyway.
That's the thought process I'd like to understand. How do you read all this, those of you with more experience?
I know my post is vague on some points. Ask me anything and I'll answer. The goal is to talk it through and learn from your experiences, not to judge.
Thanks in advance to anyone who takes the time.
She knows what she wants. To have an escape from her situation she is in and the boredom she feels with her current boyfriend.A message to everyone who replied: Thank you so much for your responses. As I told you, I was just looking to chat and share thoughts with you I don’t really care what happens next;
It's just a girl who doesn’t know what she wants.
I’m so happy to have heard from you all. I’ll write to you again for more adventures
See you soon
She calls you when her car breaks down. When she needs help moving. When some guy she's actually dating treats her badly.
You're the listener. The reliable one. The guy who would treat her so much better, if she'd just open her eyes.
She won't. You trained her to see you as the low-effort option — the friend who requires zero risk and zero investment. Every favor dug the hole deeper.
The "22 Rules" break the pattern. You'll stop auditioning for a role she already cast and become the man she chases instead. It starts with Rule 1.
This is where you reply "you know, Teresa, I still think about you as well and many times when I do it makes things hard" and send a pic of yer c0ck underheath a towel or something softcore. Nothing too explicit, but enough to set the tone and get her juices flowing.She sent me a message: "You know, Quentin, it took me a long time to get over you. I fought a thousand times not to text you. I forced myself to delete your messages before reading them so I wouldn't be able to reply, and I thought way too often about what might have become of us…
I just wanted to tell you that."
I did something similar, because she told me she was thinking about the night we spent together. I'm just kidding, but I really want to see her again, ahhThis is where you reply "you know, Teresa, I still think about you as well and many times when I do it makes things hard" and send a pic of yer c0ck underheath a towel or something softcore. Nothing too explicit, but enough to set the tone and get her juices flowing.
Your buddy Dave has been single for three years and thinks "hey u up" is a valid strategy. Your other buddy Mike just got dumped and told you to "just be yourself."
You showed them her text. You asked them to decode the emoji. You drafted four responses and sent the screenshot to the group chat for a vote.
She's been waiting forty minutes.
Put the phone down. Stop crowdsourcing your love life. Type something that sounds like you. Hit send. Then go do literally anything else with your evening.
I completely agree with you, but she's in France.Why do i feel like this is a chick who is a bit empty, she might have everything on paper but if her man isn't leading with purpose/direction and just with stability, you might just have two empty/fragmented individuals. This is a common symptom of America's cultural/spiritual decline, people get with eachother for stability/comfort but often lose touch with deeper meaning in their lives. I've noticed a lot of American women have this kind of empty look in their eyes like they're just going through the motions. People in that type of state are more likely to cheat. What anchor would they have beyond it?
P.s. Dont get me wrong, this isn't a purely American phenomenon. It can happen in any culture facing similar issues but I happened to notice it over there quite a bit is my point.
Same difference. LolI completely agree with you, but she's in France.
Women enjoy forbidden fruit , its literally written in historyI don't get it, it's not the same thing. She has a boyfriend, and she wants to see me again.