"So, What Do You Do for Fun?"

She asks it casually, mid-sip. And you feel the floor open up, because the honest answer is work, gym, and a couple shows you're half-watching.

Women rarely say this out loud, but a man with a life is attractive before he says a word. The guy who spent Saturday deep-sea fishing and came back with photos and a story — he walks in already interesting.

The "22 Rules" pushed me to build a life worth talking about. Turns out the fastest way to be interesting to women is to be interested in your own life first.

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She demands a 5th date out to dinner prior to banging

"She Liked You in March. It's October Now."

Attraction runs on a clock.

She flirted for weeks. Touched your arm. Found reasons to be alone with you. And you were careful. Respectful. Waiting for the right moment.

The moment had a shelf life. It expired around month two, and by the time you asked her out, she'd quietly filed you under "little brother."

One of the hardest lessons inside the 22 Rules: women rarely wait. Interest either grows or it decays, and nothing decays it faster than a man who never moves.

Make the move while she's still inventing reasons to be near you.

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He got the cheeks. And with this girl likely he could get LTR if he wants it.

Frankly, had he taken this chick out on date two probably could have done it sooner. But OP did ultimately accomplish the objective.
I understand but I was just asking if it was good sex or bad sex.
 

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I understand but I was just asking if it was good sex or bad sex.
Middle of the ground. She has a great body but needs a little practice on how to use it. I got the feeling from when we had sex that she probably hasn't had sex with many guys. I can definitely take advantage of this fact and train her on what I like...

But no, probably not worth the 5 dates :lol: but hey, it happened and this is where we are at now!
 

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"Stop Asking Your Friends What to Text Her"

Your buddy Dave has been single for three years and thinks "hey u up" is a valid strategy. Your other buddy Mike just got dumped and told you to "just be yourself."

You showed them her text. You asked them to decode the emoji. You drafted four responses and sent the screenshot to the group chat for a vote.

She's been waiting forty minutes.

Put the phone down. Stop crowdsourcing your love life. Type something that sounds like you. Hit send. Then go do literally anything else with your evening.

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Yeah that's true but it is much easier for many guys to maintain this when they have other women.
Not all have an unlimited supply of women around them as potential dates. Your geography has a lot to do with it. I grew up when I was young in a town of 620 people near a town that was only 1200 people, and the largest one nearby was 10,000.

Now (over 40 years later),... Even in a large city (about 1/2 the size of Chicago) I myself have sat around at a place to eat, about a dozen of us in total,...and 4 of the women at the table I have either dated or at least offered dates to. Most of them knew about each other and we all got along,...but it is kind of obvious that I was running out of untouched inventory.

We can be tied where we are due to job or other reasons. We can't always run to a new area to find a fresh "stash" of women. I also feel that those who do that,...uproot their life, relocate, change jobs, change careers,...so they can find a new "hot spot" to meet women,...shows they are obsessed with women and it is just a less obvious but more advance form of "SIMPing". The traditional SIMP with the common simple things they do that we all know about is really just an amateur at it.

So I think having the mental discipline, self control, and being a smart "chooser" is far more important than just dating a bunch of women that all go nowhere to keep from feeling needy.
 

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As expected after all that fannying around the sex wasn't even memorable. But of course it wasn't gonna be. Why would she make you wait if she was attracted. She wouldn't, full stop.

Folks need to take a long hard look at themselves here. You ended up negotiating attraction with this broad. Literally the first cardinal sin of redpill.

Sex is not negotiable.

Now you're in a "relationship" with this girl which will revolve around you entertaining her in exchange for mediocre, transactional sex. I would finally cut my losses and ghost her.
 

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As expected after all that fannying around the sex wasn't even memorable. But of course it wasn't gonna be. Why would she make you wait if she was attracted. She wouldn't, full stop.

Folks need to take a long hard look at themselves here. You ended up negotiating attraction with this broad. Literally the first cardinal sin of redpill.

Sex is not negotiable.

Now you're in a "relationship" with this girl which will revolve around you entertaining her in exchange for mediocre, transactional sex. I would finally cut my losses and ghost her.
I honestly think I might... she is finishing this capstone thing for her Masters and wants to celebrate next weekend so she already made us reservations for brunch in Boston. I don't like the fact that SHE just booked these reservations without asking me, obviously expecting me to pay..
 

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I honestly think I might... she is finishing this capstone thing for her Masters and wants to celebrate next weekend so she already made us reservations for brunch in Boston. I don't like the fact that SHE just booked these reservations without asking me, obviously expecting me to pay..
As i eloborated earlier on my post.. This gonna be a transactional sex.. Its never real intimacy.. I suggest if you down for the coochie just pay the bills.. I might write this one off. Not worth being string along the ride while i have meaningful things to do.
 

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As i eloborated earlier on my post.. This gonna be a transactional sex.. Its never real intimacy.. I suggest if you down for the coochie just pay the bills.. I might write this one off. Not worth being string along the ride while i have meaningful things to do.
Yeah man. I agree. At least we got to have sex, but again, wasn't anything stellar and she wasn't really that submissive. Oh well, at least I got two bottles of casamigos and her buying the ingredients for one meal out of it. I want to generally enjoy being around the women I am fuucking for the personalities too and this girl is just too young. She's 22 and just doesn't 'get' it.
 

"Nervous Around Beautiful Women? There's a Rule for That"

I could talk to any woman I wasn't attracted to. Charming, funny, relaxed. Then a gorgeous woman looked my way and I'd become a sweating, babbling mess.

The fix took me years to find and ten minutes to learn. Nervousness and excitement are the same physical state — pounding heart, adrenaline, flushed face. Your brain just picks the label. And you can pick a better one.

Rule 16 shows you how. You feel the nerves, relabel them as excitement, and let that energy pour out as enthusiasm. Women notice the guy radiating it. They always do.

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Yeah man. I agree. At least we got to have sex, but again, wasn't anything stellar and she wasn't really that submissive. Oh well, at least I got two bottles of casamigos and her buying the ingredients for one meal out of it. I want to generally enjoy being around the women I am fuucking for the personalities too and this girl is just too young. She's 22 and just doesn't 'get' it.
Dont took it personally thought shes young and taking experience on dating, its understandable for her age to exploring her sexual and dating options.. Just dont this 'endeavours' seriously
 

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Sex is not negotiable.
Of course it is negotiable. We are neither sex robots nor mindless animals. No one is obligated to anyone to give them sex. All around the world people have different cultures and religious cirteria, and even just simple personal criteria,... and there is nothing wrong with a person sticking to their positions....even if PUAs don't like it. As I said way up in the thread,...if someone is just concerned with getting laid then just focus on Hoes and Thots and you will both be on the same page, think the same, have the same world view. So go knock yourselves out. But not everyone else is going to fit that mold.
 

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if someone is just concerned with getting laid then just focus on Hoes and Thots and you will both be on the same page, think the same, have the same world view. So go knock yourselves out. But not everyone else is going to fit that mold.
is that what he said he wants?
I want to generally enjoy being around the women I am fuucking for the personalities too and this girl is just too young. She's 22 and just doesn't 'get' it.
He knew her and him were incapable from a personality perspective, but he wanted to push for the lay regardless cuz we chase that which alludes us. sunk cost fallacy and all that. but you guys pushed him to keep going cuz "comes from good family" and all that.
 

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she already made us reservations for brunch in Boston. I don't like the fact that SHE just booked these reservations without asking me, obviously expecting me to pay..
Thats what you get when listening to simps and women for dating-advise...... in the end, you pay for halfhearted sex.
 

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It sounds like she is the captain of the ship, and your the passenger. I'm glad you updated with this info, it shows that the consequence of the transactional sex is you forfeiting frame. This will help me out in the future.
Its happened ti a lot to a guy even down to marriage, until its too late relizing that hes not in a fullfilling relationship after children involved, some, wife ran with another man that has pure attraction/connection with.. Lots of horror stories out there.
 

"The Coffee Shop Girl You Never Spoke To"

You've replayed it a hundred times. She stood three feet away, scrolling her phone. You had an opening. You composed the perfect line — after she was gone.

For all you know, she's married now. To some guy who said something. Anything.

Openers are cheap. Almost any sentence works when it's delivered within three seconds. The expensive part is the standing there, drafting and deleting, while the window quietly closes.

The "22 Rules" stripped out my hesitation. What to open with, how to keep it alive, and the one habit that costs guys more women than anything else: waiting for perfect.

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Thats what you get when listening to simps and women for dating-advise...... in the end, you pay for halfhearted sex.
Women are emotionally driven. If you can't engage their emotions "halfhearted" is all you will get no matter how much RP or PUA tactics you use. Most RP and PUA advice that I have been seeing for the past year or two is all creating transactional situations. If I do 1, 2, & 3 then she will respond with X, Y, & Z. But if she responds with A, B, or C, then I will "next" her with 4, 5, or 6. Yet the same RP community will state that "You can't negotiate genuine desire",...but somehow they don't make the connection between the two.

A guy needs to be able to read her and know how to spot the indicators of genuine desire,...and if it isn't there, then don't bother. Even if you manage to coerce sex out of her at some point it still isn't going anywhere.
 

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I honestly think I might... she is finishing this capstone thing for her Masters and wants to celebrate next weekend so she already made us reservations for brunch in Boston. I don't like the fact that SHE just booked these reservations without asking me, obviously expecting me to pay..
you are making a mistake agreeing to this, what you dont realise is, you regained all the power the minute she gave you sex, its the minute you should have gone wishy washy on her. |I dont mean let her down, its like a couldnt care less attitude, that takes time to perfect.

she wouldnt have STFU about you if you did this, but now she knows shes got you.

Go on social media this second, and look who women rattle on about, its not the guy who goes to Brunch with them. it is the guy that jerks them around, they right paragraphs about him
 

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Women are emotionally driven. If you can't engage their emotions "halfhearted" is all you will get no matter how much RP or PUA tactics you use. Most RP and PUA advice that I have been seeing for the past year or two is all creating transactional situations. If I do 1, 2, & 3 then she will respond with X, Y, & Z. But if she responds with A, B, or C, then I will "next" her with 4, 5, or 6. Yet the same RP community will state that "You can't negotiate genuine desire",...but somehow they don't make the connection between the two.

A guy needs to be able to read her and know how to spot the indicators of genuine desire,...and if it isn't there, then don't bother. Even if you manage to coerce sex out of her at some point it still isn't going anywhere.
PUA Is trash, relationship are about admiration, respect and trust..

If you have your **** together youre only ready to be in a relationship once you know you doesnt need one. Same vibe, wavelength/emotional level that you genuinely project will attract the same level of women you want thaf will spark into genuine attractions and having emotional connection with..

Result with such partnership often youll find yourself with real intimacy and to grow together as a happy couple.
 

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you are making a mistake agreeing to this, what you dont realise is, you regained all the power the minute she gave you sex, its the minute you should have gone wishy washy on her. |I dont mean let her down, its like a couldnt care less attitude, that takes time to perfect.

she wouldnt have STFU about you if you did this, but now she knows shes got you.

Go on social media this second, and look who women rattle on about, its not the guy who goes to Brunch with them. it is the guy that jerks them around, they right paragraphs about him
I didn't agree. I have been ignoring her since that request. And there is no way in hell I'm going to brunch with her again hahaha
 

"She Laughed All Night. Then She Ghosted You. Here's Why."

Dinner ran three hours. She laughed at everything. You walked her to her car thinking this one's locked in.

Then: nothing. Two texts. No reply. What happened?

You did what most men do on a great date. You filled every silence, answered every question, and left her with nothing to wonder about. No mystery. Nothing to sit with when she got home.

Rule 3 of the "22 Rules" changes the ending: tell her a little, hold back the rest, and let her imagination do the chasing. The ghosting stops too.

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