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Sex is not negotiable.
Of course it is negotiable. We are neither sex robots nor mindless animals. No one is obligated to anyone to give them sex. All around the world people have different cultures and religious cirteria, and even just simple personal criteria,... and there is nothing wrong with a person sticking to their positions....even if PUAs don't like it. As I said way up in the thread,...if someone is just concerned with getting laid then just focus on Hoes and Thots and you will both be on the same page, think the same, have the same world view. So go knock yourselves out. But not everyone else is going to fit that mold.
 

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I honestly think I might... she is finishing this capstone thing for her Masters and wants to celebrate next weekend so she already made us reservations for brunch in Boston. I don't like the fact that SHE just booked these reservations without asking me, obviously expecting me to pay..
It sounds like she is the captain of the ship, and your the passenger. I'm glad you updated with this info, it shows that the consequence of the transactional sex is you forfeiting frame. This will help me out in the future.
 

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if someone is just concerned with getting laid then just focus on Hoes and Thots and you will both be on the same page, think the same, have the same world view. So go knock yourselves out. But not everyone else is going to fit that mold.
is that what he said he wants?
I want to generally enjoy being around the women I am fuucking for the personalities too and this girl is just too young. She's 22 and just doesn't 'get' it.
He knew her and him were incapable from a personality perspective, but he wanted to push for the lay regardless cuz we chase that which alludes us. sunk cost fallacy and all that. but you guys pushed him to keep going cuz "comes from good family" and all that.
 

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she already made us reservations for brunch in Boston. I don't like the fact that SHE just booked these reservations without asking me, obviously expecting me to pay..
Thats what you get when listening to simps and women for dating-advise...... in the end, you pay for halfhearted sex.
 

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It sounds like she is the captain of the ship, and your the passenger. I'm glad you updated with this info, it shows that the consequence of the transactional sex is you forfeiting frame. This will help me out in the future.
Its happened ti a lot to a guy even down to marriage, until its too late relizing that hes not in a fullfilling relationship after children involved, some, wife ran with another man that has pure attraction/connection with.. Lots of horror stories out there.
 

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Thats what you get when listening to simps and women for dating-advise...... in the end, you pay for halfhearted sex.
Women are emotionally driven. If you can't engage their emotions "halfhearted" is all you will get no matter how much RP or PUA tactics you use. Most RP and PUA advice that I have been seeing for the past year or two is all creating transactional situations. If I do 1, 2, & 3 then she will respond with X, Y, & Z. But if she responds with A, B, or C, then I will "next" her with 4, 5, or 6. Yet the same RP community will state that "You can't negotiate genuine desire",...but somehow they don't make the connection between the two.

A guy needs to be able to read her and know how to spot the indicators of genuine desire,...and if it isn't there, then don't bother. Even if you manage to coerce sex out of her at some point it still isn't going anywhere.
 

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I honestly think I might... she is finishing this capstone thing for her Masters and wants to celebrate next weekend so she already made us reservations for brunch in Boston. I don't like the fact that SHE just booked these reservations without asking me, obviously expecting me to pay..
you are making a mistake agreeing to this, what you dont realise is, you regained all the power the minute she gave you sex, its the minute you should have gone wishy washy on her. |I dont mean let her down, its like a couldnt care less attitude, that takes time to perfect.

she wouldnt have STFU about you if you did this, but now she knows shes got you.

Go on social media this second, and look who women rattle on about, its not the guy who goes to Brunch with them. it is the guy that jerks them around, they right paragraphs about him
 

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Women are emotionally driven. If you can't engage their emotions "halfhearted" is all you will get no matter how much RP or PUA tactics you use. Most RP and PUA advice that I have been seeing for the past year or two is all creating transactional situations. If I do 1, 2, & 3 then she will respond with X, Y, & Z. But if she responds with A, B, or C, then I will "next" her with 4, 5, or 6. Yet the same RP community will state that "You can't negotiate genuine desire",...but somehow they don't make the connection between the two.

A guy needs to be able to read her and know how to spot the indicators of genuine desire,...and if it isn't there, then don't bother. Even if you manage to coerce sex out of her at some point it still isn't going anywhere.
PUA Is trash, relationship are about admiration, respect and trust..

If you have your **** together youre only ready to be in a relationship once you know you doesnt need one. Same vibe, wavelength/emotional level that you genuinely project will attract the same level of women you want thaf will spark into genuine attractions and having emotional connection with..

Result with such partnership often youll find yourself with real intimacy and to grow together as a happy couple.
 

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you are making a mistake agreeing to this, what you dont realise is, you regained all the power the minute she gave you sex, its the minute you should have gone wishy washy on her. |I dont mean let her down, its like a couldnt care less attitude, that takes time to perfect.

she wouldnt have STFU about you if you did this, but now she knows shes got you.

Go on social media this second, and look who women rattle on about, its not the guy who goes to Brunch with them. it is the guy that jerks them around, they right paragraphs about him
I didn't agree. I have been ignoring her since that request. And there is no way in hell I'm going to brunch with her again hahaha
 

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I didn't agree. I have been ignoring her since that request. And there is no way in hell I'm going to brunch with her again hahaha
Does this girl's name start with the letter T?
 

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I thought things were going well....
Ahhh I mean could I have sex with this girl again? Yes. Do I want to? Not really... I just don't really have a desire to see her again. It hit me after she left Sunday. I thought "the sex was OK, but she is just a little too immature." I was especially turned off when she texted me a day later saying she booked a reservation for a brunch at another place next weekend.. like that's not cool. That's her steering the frame of the whole relationship.

"You take me to restaurant X for brunch on this date/time and we will have sex again." Not fun. To transactional.

I've got my eye set on this Brazilian girl I just started talking to. We are going to have a first date this Saturday if I can maintain her IL until then. It's cliché, but yet again I find myself enjoying the conversation (and company) more with Brazilian and Hispanic girls than Americans...
 

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Ahhh I mean could I have sex with this girl again? Yes. Do I want to? Not really... I just don't really have a desire to see her again. It hit me after she left Sunday. I thought "the sex was OK, but she is just a little too immature." I was especially turned off when she texted me a day later saying she booked a reservation for a brunch at another place next weekend.. like that's not cool. That's her steering the frame of the whole relationship.

"You take me to restaurant X for brunch on this date/time and we will have sex again." Not fun. To transactional.

I've got my eye set on this Brazilian girl I just started talking to. We are going to have a first date this Saturday if I can maintain her IL until then. It's cliché, but yet again I find myself enjoying the conversation (and company) more with Brazilian and Hispanic girls than Americans...
Well, you could go to brunch and bang her one more time. This time though, since you have no desire to see after this, facefvck her while 69ing. It's the best. And I'm talking about an angry facefvck.

The sloppier the better. Then just, stop contacting her.
 

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Well, you could go to brunch and bang her one more time. This time though, since you have no desire to see after this, facefvck her while 69ing. It's the best. And I'm talking about an angry facefvck.

The sloppier the better. Then just, stop contacting her.
I like the way you think sir hahahah
 

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I honestly think I might... she is finishing this capstone thing for her Masters and wants to celebrate next weekend so she already made us reservations for brunch in Boston. I don't like the fact that SHE just booked these reservations without asking me, obviously expecting me to pay..
If she booked reservations and asked you, she should pay. No need to be upset about it. As I said a few pages ago, this gal really digs you. Proceed if you want an LTR. If not, just ghost her.
 

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If she booked reservations and asked you, she should pay. No need to be upset about it. As I said a few pages ago, this gal really digs you. Proceed if you want an LTR. If not, just ghost her.
I agree - she should pay, but I got the drift from her that she wouldn't even think twice about that. It would be more expected that I would pay.
 
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