Seemingly every avenue to meet single women is completely dominated in numbers by men. What am I supposed to do?

[ubercat]

It just comes across as unique that you say that dating western women is easy, but you just prefer Asian women. I’ve never come across that before. If that’s the case then I dunno why it triggers you. If your preference is Asian, and it’s coming from a place of abundance and not scarcity, then more power to you.

I’m not saying you’re lying. It’s just an unusual path you’ve taken. Most guys turn to Asian women out of scarcity.

Same experience as Fruitbat had plenty of western women. Did ok on OLD no stunners but plenty of 6s and 7s. And no fatties. Found the Asian girls were a better deal so I took it. I ve got 2 mates same thing. Six figure salaries no scarcity married Asians. I think your assumptions are out of date.

 

[Plinco]

Go on a dating app - 90% male

Any Meetup or local group that I’ve tried - over 90% male

Go to a bar - overflowing with guys

Even tried treating myself at a coffee shop - every table in the building was occupied by one male

You see where I’m going with this. I can’t seem to go anywhere to interact with single women that isn’t absolutely swarming with desperate, lonely, and overly aggressive dudes. And I now live in a city that is supposed to have way more women than men. It just doesn’t make sense, and to be honest, it’s really starting to get under my skin. I want to get back into dating, but there’s no realistic way to do this with these kinds of crazy gender ratios. I wholeheartedly believe in what I have to offer, but I need a chance to be able to show that.

Have other people had this experience?

Does anyone have any advice for how to deal with this?

College campuses and malls are much better places to be.

You have to be better than all of the other guys out there. Being in the top 50% is easy since many dudes out there are porn and video game addicted messes with no game. Being in the top 10% is really hard.

 

[ubercat]

And Pan mate it really was about the better deal not yellow fever. Although if I changed back I d probably wonder why the chick is so big.

I ve happily dated EE women too and certainly would try Latinas if I knew where to find any in Melbourne.

 

[Murk]

Social circle was good in my 20s but I became known and my friends girlfriends never wanted me near their friends after a few go arounds.

Family social circle is also good, like your cousins wife’s sisters etc, however I already have a reputation so I’ve burned all my bridges.

 

[MtmVaott]

Im willing to bet you have no social networks to meet women through. And when i say social networks, im not talking about the stuff that guys parrot on the internet for you to "do". Im talking about the way people actually meet - acquaintances who simply invite their male and female acquaintances to social gatherings, you being one of those invited.

Am i right?

As I'm interested in building up a social circle/network:
How do I get one? How do I start from scratch? Is it like a snowballing system, i.e. one acquaintance leads to 2 others and so on? What are these "gatherings"? Parties?
Sorry for these basic questions, I have to admit my social development was stalled during teenager phase and I guess that is exactly when you learn this kind of stuff...

 

[AttackFormation]

As I'm interested in building up a social circle/network:
How do I get one? How do I start from scratch? Is it like a snowballing system, i.e. one acquaintance leads to 2 others and so on? What are these "gatherings"? Parties?
Sorry for these basic questions, I have to admit my social development was stalled during teenager phase and I guess that is exactly when you learn this kind of stuff...

I dont have any social network either so cant personally help you with that haha

 

[ubercat]

As I'm interested in building up a social circle/network:
How do I get one? How do I start from scratch? Is it like a snowballing system, i.e. one acquaintance leads to 2 others and so on? What are these "gatherings"? Parties?
Sorry for these basic questions, I have to admit my social development was stalled during teenager phase and I guess that is exactly when you learn this kind of stuff...

Mate there s a gazillion threads on that here. Use the search function and if you're serious come back with specific questions.

 

[Slowhandluke]

Social circle was good in my 20s but I became known and my friends girlfriends never wanted me near their friends after a few go arounds.

Family social circle is also good, like your cousins wife’s sisters etc, however I already have a reputation so I’ve burned all my bridges.

That is the power of the circle - it keeps Chad in check and tries to prevent heart ache within its ranks. Good for longterm, bad for short term.

It's hard to find social circles that promote promiscuity. I don't think they exist because it is unstable.

 

[Bokanovsky]

You're definitely hunting in all the wrong places. Meetup is shiit. Dating apps are shiit.

Dance and fitness classes are often majority female. That's a start. There are fashion and art events that @Solomon frequents. Those are mostly female. You could daygame the streets and parks.

The problem is that the average heterosexual male would really have to push himself to attend a dance class or a fashion/art event. It's kind of like a woman going to a wrestling match or a monster truck race to meet men. The difficulty is finding events that are attended by heterosexual women where you wouldn't feel entirely out of your element and/or bored to death. Going to events that you have zero genuine interest in for the sole purpose of meeting girls rarely works.

 

[SW15]

The difficulty is finding events that are attended by heterosexual women where you wouldn't feel entirely out of your element and/or bored to death. Going to events that you have zero genuine interest in for the sole purpose of meeting girls rarely works.

Agree with the zero genuine interest part. Plenty of men show up to events for better than average ratios.

The classic examples of this are yoga and Pilates classes. I've been to yoga and it definitely wasn't a match for me. Pretty much every guy at a yoga class is there for approaching. I found other fitness class formats more acceptable. I liked the interval training/bootcamp type formats, which had similar ratios to yoga and Pilates. However, even with the great ratios, fitness classes aren't easy places to score dates/bangs. Women are rarely sociable even in the 5 minutes before and after class. I have found that to be the case in multiple venues. You're giving up 45-60 minutes for those two, 5 minute windows. There also aren't a lot of women socializing with other women in those classes for platonic friendships. I have gotten numbers and dates from fitness classes before but not nearly in the quantity that would be expected given the ratio advantage.

The problem is that the average heterosexual male would really have to push himself to attend a dance class or a fashion/art event.

I've attended both dance classes and fitness events at various points over the years, but not in many years. I attended some art events when I moved to a new city as a new college graduate when I was 22. The problem with that is that I was 22 and almost every other attendee was 40+. That didn't last for long. I've done a couple of short attempts at salsa dancing lessons and never got any dates out of them. I was unimpressed with the attendees too. I think salsa dancing lessons might be a loss leader type event. You might do salsa dancing lessons to get good enough to seduce at nightclubs with salsa dancing. Same would be true of country dancing/two-step, which I never tried.

 

[Pierce Manhammer]

Around here doing salsa, merengue, mambo, bachata is a key differentiator. Dress well, don’t be a creep, be funny and engaging AND WOMEN WILL ASK YOU OUT.

Also ita a súper social event, the women get to observe you dancing and interacting with other people and meet you in a non-threatening environment, then you dance with them - which is not an issue - you simply will not get turned down. If youre good again your dance card is full.

I’ve had two women ask me to go dance with both of them for hours - trust me even if you are not their normal type one can get tired and can home and if the remaining one is up your alley you can escalate. Or you get the DHV of being with two women, hopefully attractive ones, which makes new approaches even easier.

 

[zekko]

The answer is my "service sector game" post. This and day game worked for me, not even social circles.

Any idea where this thread is or what it's called? The topic sounds interesting to me. I searched for "service sector game" under your name, and I couldn't find it.

 

[zekko]

Service Industry Game

1. Choose a bar that has bartenders of similar age. Patrons don't matter. 2. The bar should have a high frequency of travelers coming and going, not just a glorified clique. 3. Become a regular at the bar and make friends with the bartenders. Tip 25%. 4. Ask questions about local nightlife...

www.sosuave.net

Okay thanks. Now that I see it, I remember reading it. Solid thread.

 

[SW15]

I guess the only odds that are in your favor are Yoga and Ball Room and Salsa dancing classes, but I refuse to take a class I have zero interest in just to meet more women.

Beats exploring the bottom of the barrel at Meetups with shiit ratios.

 

[DEEZEDBRAH]

Agree with the zero genuine interest part. Plenty of men show up to events for better than average ratios.

The classic examples of this are yoga and Pilates classes. I've been to yoga and it definitely wasn't a match for me. Pretty much every guy at a yoga class is there for approaching. I found other fitness class formats more acceptable. I liked the interval training/bootcamp type formats, which had similar ratios to yoga and Pilates. However, even with the great ratios, fitness classes aren't easy places to score dates/bangs. Women are rarely sociable even in the 5 minutes before and after class. I have found that to be the case in multiple venues. You're giving up 45-60 minutes for those two, 5 minute windows. There also aren't a lot of women socializing with other women in those classes for platonic friendships. I have gotten numbers and dates from fitness classes before but not nearly in the quantity that would be expected given the ratio advantage.



I've attended both dance classes and fitness events at various points over the years, but not in many years. I attended some art events when I moved to a new city as a new college graduate when I was 22. The problem with that is that I was 22 and almost every other attendee was 40+. That didn't last for long. I've done a couple of short attempts at salsa dancing lessons and never got any dates out of them. I was unimpressed with the attendees too. I think salsa dancing lessons might be a loss leader type event. You might do salsa dancing lessons to get good enough to seduce at nightclubs with salsa dancing. Same would be true of country dancing/two-step, which I never tried.

I've done yoga. No pilates.

For the amount of guys, the competition is next to 0. I'm actually interested in yoga and meditation. I did a lot of vinyasa flow yoga, sun/moon salutations. It's bonus to chat up and have a flirt after class. Girls got friends who have friends. Spin class is a mofo but the demographic is there. I'd recommend the interest first. I think posers will get poor results.

I Utilized the lock down to reinvent myself. I did 0 clubs and bars in the pandemic. A few patios between lock downs. I started to take up hiking. I walk trails or the beach and lake. Any water front. I go to dog parks. Workout parks are great too. I met a girl randomly in a new spot. I can't think of where for the life of me. I think I was walking through a skate park?

I also took the approach to pickup from the stance on cultivate being "that guy." Not game time sometime and insert fake ****ing mustache and wig. I also like Julien Blancs skip the open and drama.

Never tried salsa. At gunpoint, I wouldn't go. I'd checkout a healthy cooking class at a community college lulz. I'd join a co-ed sport like beach volleyball.

I'm being more creative and open minded with the coming of age.

 

[SW15]

I'd join a co-ed sport like beach volleyball.

Volleyball is one of the better co-ed sports league options.

It’s pretty difficult to swoop into a co-ed kickball, softball, volleyball, or soccer league & directly arrange dates. First, there are more men than women in all these leagues. Nearly every other guy in these leagues is an unattached guy who is trying to get his penis wet in league because he read some advice article online or in a printed copy of a magazine about doing this. Participating in co-ed sports leagues is a form of weak social circle game. Yes, it is easier to talk to a woman after a game in a co-ed sports league than it would be to talk to a random woman at the grocery store, mall, or a bar. As a result, many men think that this will be game on easy mode. Most men fail at co-ed sports leagues in terms of getting their penises wet.

I've done yoga. No pilates.

For the amount of guys, the competition is next to 0. I'm actually interested in yoga and meditation. I did a lot of vinyasa flow yoga, sun/moon salutations. It's bonus to chat up and have a flirt after class. Girls got friends who have friends. Spin class is a mofo but the demographic is there. I'd recommend the interest first. I think posers will get poor results.

I didn't like the yoga vibe too much. I have done spin/kickboxing/boxing/bootcamp type classes. Gotten dates from it. Tough venue as most women in those classes aren't too social before or after class. Ratios are good though.

 

[HaleyBaron]

I want to do yoga cause I need to increase my flexibility, but all the women will think Im there to chad on them. But I found a solution. I'm going to dress in a wig and be as gay as possible.

 

[BackInTheGame78]

This is where @Jesse Pinkman advice comes in.

there’s lots of other guys but only some have the balls to approach

People who are scared of competition aren't any competition

 

[lost_blackbird]

Driving a BMW or Mercedes is not impressive to women, you'd have to start driving a ferrari or lambo to have this effect. The point is that it takes a lot to really stand out in today's world, almost to the degree where it is unrealistic. Men that are in the top 10% will be viewed as "average" by most women, that's how difficult it is right now.

Or a large, fast, powerful, preferably very loud motorcycle.

If you look like Harry Styles or something you're all set. If not? Lol.

I've sounded very much like him my whole life and it hasn't made any difference.

 

[thelambofdeth]

I've sounded very much like him my whole life and it hasn't made any difference.

I said look like him, dude.