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Seemingly every avenue to meet single women is completely dominated in numbers by men. What am I supposed to do?

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Any idea where this thread is or what it's called? The topic sounds interesting to me. I searched for "service sector game" under your name, and I couldn't find it.
 

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Okay thanks. Now that I see it, I remember reading it. Solid thread.
 

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Go on a dating app - 90% male

Any Meetup or local group that I’ve tried - over 90% male

Go to a bar - overflowing with guys

Even tried treating myself at a coffee shop - every table in the building was occupied by one male

You see where I’m going with this. I can’t seem to go anywhere to interact with single women that isn’t absolutely swarming with desperate, lonely, and overly aggressive dudes. And I now live in a city that is supposed to have way more women than men. It just doesn’t make sense, and to be honest, it’s really starting to get under my skin. I want to get back into dating, but there’s no realistic way to do this with these kinds of crazy gender ratios. I wholeheartedly believe in what I have to offer, but I need a chance to be able to show that.

Have other people had this experience?

Does anyone have any advice for how to deal with this?

Funny, I live in Central Jersey and there is one meetup group that I have been to a few times. It is one of the more active groups that isn't located in NYC or Philadelphia.

Anyhow, they have a monthly meet and greet at the bar once in a while and these I usually attend.

@Zimbabwe .... just like you say......the ratio is about 3 to 1 men. Tonight, there were approximately 30 people in attendance and maybe 10 of those were women. Of those 10 women, only 5 of them are attractive. You have 20 males vying for the attention of 5 females, so the odds are quite horrible. I will continue going to meet some nice people, just won't have my expectations high to meet a woman.

The night before I took an interactive cooking class through the parks system. There were eight of us.......5 women and three guys (including me), but only one woman was in her 30's and cute.

Again, I am glad I went since the class was interesting but these meetup.com groups and other interactive activities are not very good for meeting women.

I guess the only odds that are in your favor are Yoga and Ball Room and Salsa dancing classes, but I refuse to take a class I have zero interest in just to meet more women.
 
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Agree with the zero genuine interest part. Plenty of men show up to events for better than average ratios.

The classic examples of this are yoga and Pilates classes. I've been to yoga and it definitely wasn't a match for me. Pretty much every guy at a yoga class is there for approaching. I found other fitness class formats more acceptable. I liked the interval training/bootcamp type formats, which had similar ratios to yoga and Pilates. However, even with the great ratios, fitness classes aren't easy places to score dates/bangs. Women are rarely sociable even in the 5 minutes before and after class. I have found that to be the case in multiple venues. You're giving up 45-60 minutes for those two, 5 minute windows. There also aren't a lot of women socializing with other women in those classes for platonic friendships. I have gotten numbers and dates from fitness classes before but not nearly in the quantity that would be expected given the ratio advantage.



I've attended both dance classes and fitness events at various points over the years, but not in many years. I attended some art events when I moved to a new city as a new college graduate when I was 22. The problem with that is that I was 22 and almost every other attendee was 40+. That didn't last for long. I've done a couple of short attempts at salsa dancing lessons and never got any dates out of them. I was unimpressed with the attendees too. I think salsa dancing lessons might be a loss leader type event. You might do salsa dancing lessons to get good enough to seduce at nightclubs with salsa dancing. Same would be true of country dancing/two-step, which I never tried.
I've done yoga. No pilates.

For the amount of guys, the competition is next to 0. I'm actually interested in yoga and meditation. I did a lot of vinyasa flow yoga, sun/moon salutations. It's bonus to chat up and have a flirt after class. Girls got friends who have friends. Spin class is a mofo but the demographic is there. I'd recommend the interest first. I think posers will get poor results.

I Utilized the lock down to reinvent myself. I did 0 clubs and bars in the pandemic. A few patios between lock downs. I started to take up hiking. I walk trails or the beach and lake. Any water front. I go to dog parks. Workout parks are great too. I met a girl randomly in a new spot. I can't think of where for the life of me. I think I was walking through a skate park?

I also took the approach to pickup from the stance on cultivate being "that guy." Not game time sometime and insert fake ****ing mustache and wig. I also like Julien Blancs skip the open and drama.

Never tried salsa. At gunpoint, I wouldn't go. I'd checkout a healthy cooking class at a community college lulz. I'd join a co-ed sport like beach volleyball.

I'm being more creative and open minded with the coming of age.
 

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I'd join a co-ed sport like beach volleyball.
Volleyball is one of the better co-ed sports league options.

It’s pretty difficult to swoop into a co-ed kickball, softball, volleyball, or soccer league & directly arrange dates. First, there are more men than women in all these leagues. Nearly every other guy in these leagues is an unattached guy who is trying to get his penis wet in league because he read some advice article online or in a printed copy of a magazine about doing this. Participating in co-ed sports leagues is a form of weak social circle game. Yes, it is easier to talk to a woman after a game in a co-ed sports league than it would be to talk to a random woman at the grocery store, mall, or a bar. As a result, many men think that this will be game on easy mode. Most men fail at co-ed sports leagues in terms of getting their penises wet.

I've done yoga. No pilates.

For the amount of guys, the competition is next to 0. I'm actually interested in yoga and meditation. I did a lot of vinyasa flow yoga, sun/moon salutations. It's bonus to chat up and have a flirt after class. Girls got friends who have friends. Spin class is a mofo but the demographic is there. I'd recommend the interest first. I think posers will get poor results.
I didn't like the yoga vibe too much. I have done spin/kickboxing/boxing/bootcamp type classes. Gotten dates from it. Tough venue as most women in those classes aren't too social before or after class. Ratios are good though.
 

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I want to do yoga cause I need to increase my flexibility, but all the women will think Im there to chad on them. But I found a solution. I'm going to dress in a wig and be as gay as possible.
 

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Driving a BMW or Mercedes is not impressive to women, you'd have to start driving a ferrari or lambo to have this effect. The point is that it takes a lot to really stand out in today's world, almost to the degree where it is unrealistic. Men that are in the top 10% will be viewed as "average" by most women, that's how difficult it is right now.
Or a large, fast, powerful, preferably very loud motorcycle.

If you look like Harry Styles or something you're all set. If not? Lol.
I've sounded very much like him my whole life and it hasn't made any difference.
 
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The problem is that the average heterosexual male would really have to push himself to attend a dance class or a fashion/art event. It's kind of like a woman going to a wrestling match or a monster truck race to meet men. The difficulty is finding events that are attended by heterosexual women where you wouldn't feel entirely out of your element and/or bored to death. Going to events that you have zero genuine interest in for the sole purpose of meeting girls rarely works.
Agreed. The other issue with attending yoga or dancing classes is these are long game type situations. If you show up as the new guy and immediately start trying to game the women there, you immediately will get a rep (in a bad way) and they will start avoiding you like the plague. Now, if you show up and are simply friendly and genuinely want to get better at these exercises, you lay the foundation to ask these women out once they are comfortable. But it is not an overnight thing.
 
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Agreed. The other issue with attending yoga or dancing classes is these are long game type situations. If you show up as the new guy and immediately start trying to game the women there, you immediately will get a rep (in a bad way) and they will start avoiding you like the plague. Now, if you show up and are simply friendly and genuinely want to get better at these exercises, you lay the foundation to ask these women out once they are comfortable. But it is not an overnight thing.
I have attended fitness classes at my primary gym over time and also dabbled at other places. You can approach women immediately if they catch your eye. I've done it. I don't necessarily see it as a long game thing. If you go to different classes at different times even at the same facility, you're likely to see all different women.
 

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Volleyball is one of the better co-ed sports league options.
I'm better with a football. Would give it a go on volleyball co-ed and would put work in. Cold approach on rival teams.

I'm not actively doing this. Was entirely a thought experiment. Open to it. I highly recommend the boys reinvent themselves. Find new avenues for pulling and generate new leads.

It’s pretty difficult to swoop into a co-ed kickball, softball, volleyball, or soccer league & directly arrange dates. First, there are more men than women in all these leagues. Nearly every other guy in these leagues is an unattached guy who is trying to get his penis wet in league because he read some advice article online or in a printed copy of a magazine about doing this. Participating in co-ed sports leagues is a form of weak social circle game. Yes, it is easier to talk to a woman after a game in a co-ed sports league than it would be to talk to a random woman at the grocery store, mall, or a bar. As a result, many men think that this will be game on easy mode. Most men fail at co-ed sports leagues in terms of getting their penises wet.
No doubt. Then again 99% don't approach. Can't pull but binge boomer pods and kick out cams in spectator mode. This is my competition. I like my odds. Game is so poor these days.

i didn't like the yoga vibe too much. I have done spin/kickboxing/boxing/bootcamp type classes. Gotten dates from it. Tough venue as most women in those classes aren't too social before or after class. Ratios are good though.
Purely a W in demographic & logistics. I prefer actually doing mma, boxing or bjj myself. I enjoy yoga and meditation for active recovery. It's just bonus to pickup too. I don't disagree. The environment isn't a layup by no means. I'm going to spit game regardless of the environment. Million dollar mouth piece. Let the chips fall where they may.

I'm in agreement with Aaron Clarey. Majority of women hate and absolutely dislike men. It's Chad or Tyrone that they want but more or less a ego boost as well as a means to free resources via marriage or divorce rapey.

I ran into a chick I picked up years ago. She Looked rough. Present day 6 maybe at best. Quite the skid down hill. Was enthusiastic to see me. She says "I only work part-time." I noticed a wedding ring. Classic female logic. Politely excused myself. Reminded me of another woman who said she wants a bf to split everything with. Lulz.

These are classic examples of modern women ran through and what fellas are competing for. The game is catch and release.
 

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I'm better with a football. Would give it a go on volleyball co-ed and would put work in. Cold approach on rival teams.

I'm not actively doing this. Was entirely a thought experiment. Open to it.
It's difficult to swoop into a co-ed sports league and get dates from that. Participating in co-ed sports leagues is a form of weak social circle game. Yes, it is easier to talk to a woman after a game in a co-ed sports league than it would be to talk to a random woman at the grocery store, mall, or a bar. Most men who participate in co-ed sports leagues are doing it to try to get their penises wet because they read some online article that it is an easier form of game. It isn't. Most men fail to get their penises wet as a result of participating in a co-ed sports league.

Then again 99% don't approach.
Swipe apps are filled with the 99% of men who don't approach in real life.

Game is so poor these days.
It is, but there's a ton of competition by quantity. It's difficult to stand out on a swipe app. You've got a better chance of standing out in some form of in-person game, particularly non-bar approaching, which has been the majority of my approaching for the past decade. Bar/nightclub approaching is extremely difficult and nearly as bad as the swipe app environment.

I'm in agreement with Aaron Clarey. Majority of women hate and absolutely dislike men. It's Chad or Tyrone that they want but more or less a ego boost as well as a means to free resources via marriage or divorce rapey.
I agree as well.

These are classic examples of modern women ran through and what fellas are competing for.

The game is catch and release.
It is funny that you mention a fishing technique. In mating terms, catch & release would be associated with one night stands and short term casual sex. If you extend the fishing metaphor, I perceive that looking for a girlfriend in most large Western cities is like fishing for trout in a sewer.
 
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It's difficult to swoop into a co-ed sports league and get dates from that. Participating in co-ed sports leagues is a form of weak social circle game. Yes, it is easier to talk to a woman after a game in a co-ed sports league than it would be to talk to a random woman at the grocery store, mall, or a bar. Most men who participate in co-ed sports leagues are doing it to try to get their penises wet because they read some online article that it is an easier form of game. It isn't. Most men fail to get their penises wet as a result of participating in a co-ed sports league.
+1

Agreed. Again it's more of a thought experiment. An idea.

Since the pandemic, I went mostly day game. Parks, hiking, indoor workout facilities (not conventional gyms; think iron man indoors and semi co-ed?), dog parks, beach, lake fronts, and others.

Swipe apps are filled with the 99% of men who don't approach in real life.
yeah. OLD is a cluster **** of low hanging fruit.

it is, but there's a ton of competition by quantity. It's difficult to stand out on a swipe app. You've got a better chance of standing out in some form of in-person game, particularly non-bar approaching, which has been the majority of my approaching for the past decade. Bar/nightclub approaching is extremely difficult and nearly as bad as the swipe app environment.
+1

I prefer cold approach. It's better. I agree it's a time sunk but it is better than fighting a algorithm and entitled has been puss.
I agree as well.



It is funny that you mention a fishing technique. In mating terms, catch & release would be associated with one night stands and short term casual sex. If you extend the fishing metaphor, I perceive that looking for a girlfriend in most large Western cities is like fishing for trout in a sewer.
I thought when I was blue pill (before learning pickup) the better experience with foreign women abroad or random encounter was the unavailability. Sure. There's elements of that but it's that some cultures outside of the UK value traditional values. Women are feminine elsewhere. the idea of value added is legitimately a thing women elsewhere know and are taught. Modern women don't know how to turn on a stove. Never mind offering value.

Dating is rubbish these days. Gems still exist. It's just very low probability in the west on top of the low probability in pickup.

It's mostly a dumpster fire. Catch and release material. Pump and dump. I've had awesome girls too and they get kept in the rotation. Value added is not the norm. Even still girls want to nest sooner or later. Even the most icy playboy wants to relax sooner or later.
 

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Agreed. Again it's more of a thought experiment. An idea.

Since the pandemic, I went mostly day game. Parks, hiking, indoor workout facilities (not conventional gyms; think iron man indoors and semi co-ed?), dog parks, beach, lake fronts, and others.



yeah. OLD is a cluster **** of low hanging fruit.



+1

I prefer cold approach. It's better. I agree it's a time sunk but it is better than fighting a algorithm and entitled has been puss.


I thought when I was blue pill (before learning pickup) the better experience with foreign women abroad or random encounter was the unavailability. Sure. There's elements of that but it's that some cultures outside of the UK value traditional values. Women are feminine elsewhere. the idea of value added is legitimately a thing women elsewhere know and are taught. Modern women don't know how to turn on a stove. Never mind offering value.

Dating is rubbish these days. Gems still exist. It's just very low probability in the west on top of the low probability in pickup.

It's mostly a dumpster fire. Catch and release material. Pump and dump. I've had awesome girls too and they get kept in the rotation. Value added is not the norm. Even still girls want to nest sooner or later. Even the most icy playboy wants to relax sooner or later.
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