Plinco
Master Don Juan
@BackInTheGame78 I see you're on this forum quite a bit. I'd like to see you entertain me again. Living this place up if that's your fancy.
You've said it a hundred times. Maybe a thousand. And every time you say it, you train your brain to freeze the next time she walks into the room.
Leagues are a myth invented by guys who are scared of women.
She's a person. She has bad breath in the morning. She picks songs she can't sing in the shower. She overthinks her own texts.
Walk over. Say something. The league dissolves the second you open your mouth.
That sentence contains at least five follow-up questions she WANTS you to ask. Where in Florida? What brought you here? How long have you been in the area? What do you miss? How does it compare to here?
She handed them to you on a silver platter. And you said, "Oh cool. I come here every week. I love this band. Ummm... pretty crowded tonight."
She smiled politely. Nodded. And never texted you back.
I was that guy for years. Talking too much. Listening too little. Panicking about my next sentence while she was literally feeding me the answers.
Then I found 22 rules that fixed the whole thing. Rule number one: shut up and listen. She'll tell you exactly what to say.
You didn't really apply the advice though. Where are you establishing a group and showing camaraderie with them? Where are you demonstrating high value behavior with people in the venue? Where are you establishing relationships with key people (promoter, etc.)? Are you actually making an effort to building relationships with people outside of the nightclub scene?When I'm out, I've applied the whole social proof thing, but sometimes I don't feel like I must socialize, like I know that I don't have to prove anything. In other words, I feel confident in my own skin that I don't have to pretend to be liked. I like talking to people, but it's optional, and sometimes I like to take a step back and observe what other people do. Of course I like dancing too.
To some degree, yes, two guys, and acquaintances from them I was getting to know. That night however they didn't show. I got there a little bit later and didn't catch the vibes that were already building so I was vibing at a different level. I went in to self-assured observation mode. I left early that night, after one hour of the dance class portion of the night, because I planned on saving my sleep for Friday night, which didn't happen because I keep getting too tired for sleep to go out on Friday nights.You didn't really apply the advice though. Where are you establishing a group and showing camaraderie with them?
I have no idea on how to demonstrate high value behavior other than being authentic. My thoughts are generally pretty disconnected from other people.Where are you demonstrating high value behavior with people in the venue?
I've done this a very small, little bit, but not at all recently. I don't know what to say to these people.Where are you establishing relationships with key people (promoter, etc.)?
The four places I go besides this nightclub are being out and about where I occasionally approach people (so far this has never resulted in any meaningful relationship), my business (not conducive for that kind of relationship), my Muay Thai gym (I go in the mornings, older people there), and my weightlifting gym (@BPH had suggested would be a good place to meet people). I went to a meetup group a couple of times of 20/30 somethings; and I think that might work too. I don't want to do any more places because it will put too much on my plate.Are you actually making an effort to building relationships with people outside of the nightclub scene?
To clarify, is that 35 to 40 approaches per night?Appreciate you posting the metrics. @SW15 would’ve pointed out the numbers in the past so I’ll do it now since he’s out…
Imo you should approach more.
96 cold approaches / 27 nights out = 3.55 average approaches a night, so we’ll round up and say 4 approaches a night on average.
You need a big city & more volume. For me, I’ve had to get into the mid 30s to early 40s to pull, & other wings I’ve gamed with had the same experience. When you up the volume it’s more statistically likely you’ll pull.
Just my $.02
You've said it a hundred times. Maybe a thousand. And every time you say it, you train your brain to freeze the next time she walks into the room.
Leagues are a myth invented by guys who are scared of women.
She's a person. She has bad breath in the morning. She picks songs she can't sing in the shower. She overthinks her own texts.
Walk over. Say something. The league dissolves the second you open your mouth.
I'm a weird dude that can think in both ways at the same time. My best friend and my closest family gave up trying to figure me out a long time ago.Have you tried not being rigidly analytical, and instead just having fun and vibing without any agenda?
Perhaps the only agenda: when the opportunity is there, catch it. And when a woman is staying in the conversation, engaged and having fun, lead forward in the "mating process". But not in a needy way. Let some space in.
Dinner ran three hours. She laughed at everything. You walked her to her car thinking this one's locked in.
Then: nothing. Two texts. No reply. What happened?
You did what most men do on a great date. You filled every silence, answered every question, and left her with nothing to wonder about. No mystery. Nothing to sit with when she got home.
Rule 3 of the "22 Rules" changes the ending: tell her a little, hold back the rest, and let her imagination do the chasing. The ghosting stops too.
Use this structure = open > small banter > soft close > hard closeI actually got a match on Hinge. My texting game is terrible so I want to run it by here
"Great and kicking some grass"
"What's your very favorite part of your day and why"
I appreciate it thank you. I implicitly used something close to this technique when I used swipe apps a decade ago. One big change I've noticed, is that back then people wouldn't double text, they would write their response in one message, whereas zoomers will write out their responses in broken form, like multiple, single sentence responses.Use this structure = open > small banter > soft close > hard close
Open:
Starts the conversation in a simple, contextual way related to the interaction, her profile or something you talked about before. The goal is just to get engagement. If she responds normally and engages, that’s green light. If she replies but it’s short or delayed, that’s yellow light. If she ignores you or gives a cold response, that’s red light.
Example:
“Hey gorgeous, how’s your week going so far?”
Small banter:
This is where you build a little interaction before jumping into logistics. Joke, tease, or react to what she said. The goal is to see if she invests back. If she’s replying quickly and playing along, that’s green. If she responds but without much energy, that’s yellow/light. If she becomes dry or disengaged, that’s red.
Example:
Her: “Yeah I’ve been studying all day for exams.”
You: “That sounds rough. You’re definitely overdue for a break.”
Soft close:
This is where you test the waters before asking her out directly. A soft close is basically giving a hint that meeting up is coming. One of the important things is that a soft close signals what’s coming next, in which she starts anticipating the hard close. This makes the transition smoother and provides a cushion for it.
Example:
“You should take a break from all that studying and grab a drink with a fun guy.”
If she responds positively, that’s green.
Example: “Haha yeah that actually sounds nice.”
If she gives a mild objection, that’s yellow/light.
Example: “I’ve been really busy lately though.”
If she rejects the idea or pulls away, that’s red.
Example: “I don’t really meet people like that.”
Hard close:
Once you get a green, you move to logistics. Suggest a specific day or plan. Because the soft close already introduced the idea of meeting, the hard close feels natural instead of abrupt. If she cooperates with scheduling, that stays green. If she hesitates or stalls, it can drop to yellow/light, meaning you might need a bit more interaction before trying again.
Example:
“I’m busy most of the week but Thursday evening works. We can grab a drink and give you a proper break from those classes.”
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Be careful what you use to open. Generic questions like “What’s your favorite part of your day and why?” often make her do all the work and provide value immediately. Only highly attractive, confident guys can get away with one-word replies or emojis and still succeed. If you’re not that type, it’s better to use humor, coquettish teasing, or playful pick-up lines that flatter.
Example: Instead of a generic question, I would have used: “I’m just here wondering if it hurt when you fell from heaven, because you’re an angel”
Correct, this is per night. That should be doable in a 4 hour session at night assuming you’re in a big city. I think numbers game wise, there’s only one time I’ve hit 50?To clarify, is that 35 to 40 approaches per night?
I'm currently at 10 approaches so far for this month, and I did 7 last month (17 so far year to date).
I've been working on my appearance, I feel much more confident than before, I'm dressing better, going to the gym on a regular basis and getting stronger. I think I need to do something about my hair and I should look into taking melatonin so I can sleep better.
I also really need to up my social circle game as @DonJefe19 pointed out, and @justaroundthecorner mentioned before pushing his agenda on me. I'm going to see if I can gain acquaintances at my gym, look to see when the next meetup for millennials is, and try to make friends/acquaintances at this place I go dancing at.
With one date out of 96 approaches last year, maybe I have an optics problem haha.
Oh, I meant to word this differently. I meant “hit 50 before pulling first.” That should be more clear.Correct, this is per night. That should be doable in a 4 hour session at night assuming you’re in a big city. I think numbers game wise, there’s only one time I’ve hit 50?
That said, I totally did have to work my way up to this and desensitize myself. I’m still doing it on my solo sessions.
She asks it casually, mid-sip. And you feel the floor open up, because the honest answer is work, gym, and a couple shows you're half-watching.
Women rarely say this out loud, but a man with a life is attractive before he says a word. The guy who spent Saturday deep-sea fishing and came back with photos and a story — he walks in already interesting.
The "22 Rules" pushed me to build a life worth talking about. Turns out the fastest way to be interesting to women is to be interested in your own life first.
I would use my method (yes I have my own method now). Assume attraction for every online match.I actually got a match on Hinge. My texting game is terrible so I want to run it by here
"Great and kicking some grass"
"What's your very favorite part of your day and why"
I don't exactly say that, but please explain.Please don’t be going around saying “Hey I like you” to women.
that is all.
Idk. It seems… hokey that approach.I don't exactly say that, but please explain.
You paid for dinner. You drove. You said "whatever you want is fine" every single time. All the effort, no expectations.
And she left anyway — probably for a guy who makes her pick up the pizza.
Painful. Also predictable. Her mind quietly concludes that anything requiring zero effort from her is worth exactly zero. You became a free sample, and free samples get taken for granted.
The 22 Rules flip the dynamic. Small shifts that get her investing effort, money, and time in you — until SHE'S the one afraid of losing YOU.