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You're free to point out where I was doing any kicking. If he can't handle a "I told you so" then that further explains how he got in this mess.
Can you explain mistakes he made, for relatively new guys like me could get some insight?
 

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You're free to point out where I was doing any kicking. If he can't handle a "I told you so" then that further explains how he got in this mess.
The "kicking" was heavily implied by you in your first two (unnecessary and irrelevant) posts in this thread. Further by this post with the "I told you so" directed at Lefty. But you already know this. Don't play dumb - it is completely disingenuous.
 

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It sucks man. I unplugged almost 2 years ago, and reading $hit like this from a veteran like you just tells me that being unplugged doesn't mean having no feelings, or that nothing affects you, cause me in the beginning I was reading advises in here and I thought those guys were unmovable, nothing affected them.

For anyone new in here that comes across with this post, If a vet like you can be affected, it means being unplugged doesn't mean not being affected, but know what to do when hard times hit. Best to you brother.
I don't think a guy that gets married is truly unplugged. They may have game down, and are red pilled, but haven't let go of the disney "what if I found the needle in the haystack?" mindset. There is no needle. This is why I'm anti marriage. It destroys any frame that a man could have.
 

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I don't think a guy that gets married is truly unplugged. They may have game down, and are red pilled, but haven't let go of the disney "what if I found the needle in the haystack?" mindset. There is no needle. This is why I'm anti marriage. It destroys any frame that a man could have.
Marriage with the right woman is the pinnacle of LTR'S, but only as a way to reward her for showing PERFECT behavior for a extended period of time. Basically she behaves so good you feel like its only fair and logical to fulfill her dream of marriage.

A woman like this will have the right attitude and will be off the market before she is 25. I think her looks dont even matter that much. It takes a certain type of woman.

She has to be "unpleasantly pleasant " , and leave you with no other choice than rewarding her with marriage. And even than I geuss you should decline this option multiple times before you cave in.

So yeah, something most men wont ever see in their entire life. A man with the need to be in a ltr is already lost these days, a man who pursues marriage without even having a long term, GOOD woman is a psychopath
 

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Marriage with the right woman is the pinnacle of LTR'S, but only as a way to reward her for showing PERFECT behavior for a extended period of time. Basically she behaves so good you feel like its only fair and logical to fulfill her dream of marriage.

A woman like this will have the right attitude and will be off the market before she is 25. I think her looks dont even matter that much. It takes a certain type of woman.

She has to be "unpleasantly pleasant " , and leave you with no other choice than rewarding her with marriage. And even than I geuss you should decline this option multiple times before you cave in.

So yeah, something most men wont ever see in their entire life. A man with the need to be in a ltr is already lost these days, a man who pursues marriage without even having a long term, GOOD woman is a psychopath
That was extremely well said.
 

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Can you explain mistakes he made, for relatively new guys like me could get some insight?
It's just something I've been on married men's cases forever. The other thread about plate spinning ties into it. When men commit and get married, they're basically doubling down on commiting to a woman. And commiting to women is mostly a sign of a man getting lax in their pursuit of women and improvement of themselves. This is mostly seen in men who believe women to be a treasured asset. I'm not going into the whole historical essence of marriage itself, but simply: getting married is not attuned to how humans behave. Across animal groups, it is very rare for animals to have lifetime partners. Only a few ever do so. Meanwhile, every other animal has multiple sex partners throughout their life (or one and just die from sex). Humans being the most versatile of our species, there is no reason to lock down with just one woman. So when I see yet another wife going out to the bar and slutting it up, I just laugh cause the same ole song keeps being sung.

The "kicking" was heavily implied by you in your first two (unnecessary and irrelevant) posts in this thread. Further by this post with the "I told you so" directed at Lefty. But you already know this. Don't play dumb - it is completely disingenuous.
Viewing my post as kicking is your fault.


Marriage with the right woman is the pinnacle of LTR'S, but only as a way to reward her for showing PERFECT behavior for a extended period of time. Basically she behaves so good you feel like its only fair and logical to fulfill her dream of marriage.
I agree with you on principle, but every woman eventually becomes a problem with a man. Even if the woman never cheats or divorces him, they are still a nag. And then they grow old and become sexless.
 

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Even if the woman never cheats or divorces him, they are still a nag. And then they grow old and become sexless.
I think this is worth the companionship during old age. I doubt a woman would never cheat or divorce though. How can a man keep his frame when the woman KNOWS she has his balls in a vice legally, and the sexist court system will favor her. That she benefits if there's a divorce....
 

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Marriage with the right woman is the pinnacle of LTR'S, but only as a way to reward her for showing PERFECT behavior for a extended period of time. Basically she behaves so good you feel like its only fair and logical to fulfill her dream of marriage.

I think her looks dont even matter that much. It takes a certain type of woman.

She has to be "unpleasantly pleasant " , and leave you with no other choice than rewarding her with marriage. And even than I geuss you should decline this option multiple times before you cave in. So yeah, something most men wont ever see in their entire life.
Nice post bro. Agree 100%
 

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Marriage with the right woman is the pinnacle of LTR'S, but only as a way to reward her for showing PERFECT behavior for a extended period of time. Basically she behaves so good you feel like its only fair and logical to fulfill her dream of marriage.

A woman like this will have the right attitude and will be off the market before she is 25. I think her looks dont even matter that much. It takes a certain type of woman.

She has to be "unpleasantly pleasant " , and leave you with no other choice than rewarding her with marriage. And even than I geuss you should decline this option multiple times before you cave in.

So yeah, something most men wont ever see in their entire life. A man with the need to be in a ltr is already lost these days, a man who pursues marriage without even having a long term, GOOD woman is a psychopath
Only part I will disagree with is when you say "her looks don't even matter that much." You need a woman who is nice to look at. No, she doesn't need to be a HB 9 or 10, but she needs to be at least in the 7 range. If not, expect extreme boredom out of yourself with her in short order. In that case, it may be you that gets the itch to step outside the relationship rather than her. That also leads to unhappiness even if this hypothetical woman (who I question whether she really exists) has "perfect" behavior.
 

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It's just something I've been on married men's cases forever. The other thread about plate spinning ties into it. When men commit and get married, they're basically doubling down on commiting to a woman. And commiting to women is mostly a sign of a man getting lax in their pursuit of women and improvement of themselves. This is mostly seen in men who believe women to be a treasured asset. I'm not going into the whole historical essence of marriage itself, but simply: getting married is not attuned to how humans behave. Across animal groups, it is very rare for animals to have lifetime partners. Only a few ever do so. Meanwhile, every other animal has multiple sex partners throughout their life (or one and just die from sex). Humans being the most versatile of our species, there is no reason to lock down with just one woman. So when I see yet another wife going out to the bar and slutting it up, I just laugh cause the same ole song keeps being sung.


Viewing my post as kicking is your fault.




I agree with you on principle, but every woman eventually becomes a problem with a man. Even if the woman never cheats or divorces him, they are still a nag. And then they grow old and become sexless.
It's a grim but realistic view, and one that at least guarantees a man stays on the safe side.

The irony is that in order to have a successful marriage a man must first be on the other side of the spectrum. E.g he gotta be a super player. A celebrity like type of man with an absolute abundance of women, so she knows there's plenty of competition for her.

This is again, only 5% of men, maybe less. Most men who pursue marriage do this for the wrong reasons. And even than I agree it's a matter of time before you'll lose frame. You'll become softer and she'll become rougher. A man craves stability while women crave uncertainty. At some point the table might turn , man let's his guard down and even lose his ability to pull new poosy. Then you are fecked anyway.

Only part I will disagree with is when you say "her looks don't even matter that much." You need a woman who is nice to look at. No, she doesn't need to be a HB 9 or 10, but she needs to be at least in the 7 range. If not, expect extreme boredom out of yourself with her in short order. In that case, it may be you that gets the itch to step outside the relationship rather than her. That also leads to unhappiness even if this hypothetical woman (who I question whether she really exists) has "perfect" behavior.
I specifically said looks don't matter because I've seen plenty of times that less attractive women tend to be good women, they are just overlooked by the majority of men. Similarly like the good but less attractive dude is overlooked by most women. One of my friends is rather unattractive, but I I wouldn't think twice to let him marry a woman close to me. He is the definition of a good but unattractive man, yet stil on a yearslong dryspell


I have a weakness for hot women( who doesn't?), but sometimes I look back at the women I rejected only to realize they were probably a better fit for me. As the years went by my bar lowered. 15 years ago a hb7/6 was a 7 /6 for a reason, right? Now I see the same type of woman she is suddenly a 7/8. Peace of mind is also something extremely valuable.

I do respect men who have a less attractive woman but have peace of mind. Maybe it's just me having some GIG syndrome.

I agree though, that the women who I viewed as lower SMV than me never got me rock hard. Was more like pity fecking them. But again, I sometimes wonder if this is someting that's off about me. Is life all about being rockhard? And is a rock hard D worth the rock hard head aches? I think alotta men would benefit from looking for GOOD woman rather than Bad byitches.
 
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That blows man, time to attorney up. Also hope your ma is doing alright. On the brightside you've now got some newfound freedom at least.
 

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She has to be "unpleasantly pleasant " , and leave you with no other choice than rewarding her with marriage. And even than I geuss you should decline this option multiple times before you cave in.
I think I know what you mean by "unpleasantly pleasant " but I'd like to hear you explain your definition.

For me it is someone who, during your low moments, is not swayed by your negativity and keeps a positive loving attitude when you feel completely unlovable....
 

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I think this is worth the companionship during old age. I doubt a woman would never cheat or divorce though. How can a man keep his frame when the woman KNOWS she has his balls in a vice legally, and the sexist court system will favor her. That she benefits if there's a divorce....
Personally I do think there's honor in a woman that stayed with you forever. My grandparents were like that, but who am I to judge what their life was before.


It's a grim but realistic view, and one that at least guarantees a man stays on the safe side.

The irony is that in order to have a successful marriage a man must first be on the other side of the spectrum. E.g he gotta be a super player. A celebrity like type of man with an absolute abundance of women, so she knows there's plenty of competition for her.

This is again, only 5% of men, maybe less. Most men who pursue marriage do this for the wrong reasons. And even than I agree it's a matter of time before you'll lose frame. You'll become softer and she'll become rougher. A man craves stability while women crave uncertainty. At some point the table might turn , man let's his guard down and even lose his ability to pull new poosy. Then you are fecked anyway.
Constant stories of men whose wives started behaving when the man was getting attention from other women. Not a coincidence. You always have to stay on your game, even in marriage.
 

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I specifically said looks don't matter because I've seen plenty of times that less attractive women tend to be good women, they are just overlooked by the majority of men. Similarly like the good but less attractive dude is overlooked by most women. One of my friends is rather unattractive, but I I wouldn't think twice to let him marry a woman close to me. He is the definition of a good but unattractive man, yet stil on a yearslong dryspell


I have a weakness for hot women( who doesn't?), but sometimes I look back at the women I rejected only to realize they were probably a better fit for me. As the years went by my bar lowered. 15 years ago a hb7/6 was a 7 /6 for a reason, right? Now I see the same type of woman she is suddenly a 7/8. Peace of mind is also something extremely valuable.

I do respect men who have a less attractive woman but have peace of mind. Maybe it's just me having some GIG syndrome.

I agree though, that the women who I viewed as lower SMV than me never got me rock hard. Was more like pity fecking them. But again, I sometimes wonder if this is someting that's off about me. Is life all about being rockhard? And is a rock hard D worth the rock hard head aches? I think alotta men would benefit from looking for GOOD woman rather than Bad byitches.
I want to add to this...I was on the same bench of lower value women being nicer. Until I ran into said women changing overnight into b*tches. In that case, would you rather have an ugly b*tch or a hot b*tch. If the b*tch s ugly, you are going to get grilled hard. At least if she's hot, people will frown less at her being one. They'll tell you to get her act together. With an ugly b*tch, they'll tell you to get away from her.
 

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I came to Florida to visit my mother for a while as she has some health issues and needed some assistance. While I was out of town my wife decides to behave like a single girl again. She went out to a bar to see a local band we follow, which is something she does without me sometimes since I work a lot. No big deal on just going without me. Long story short she runs into this woman from my past who has allegedly had a major crush on me for years, but we have never dated. We have been friends only. Her and my wife got into it I guess after a conversation started about me. The friend from the past said "Honestly, I didn't even know you guys were still together. Your wife was not wearing a wedding ring, she had really s|uty cloths on, and she was hanging all over this one guy and flurting with several others". The one guy is a guy who has openly said he likes her, but has acknowledged she is married to me. I asked one of the band members to get another perspective. He couldn't remember the wedding ring part, but he did confirm what she was wearing and said she was being very "sociable" that night with several men. The story is she wasn't making out or fvcking, that anyone saw, but she was clearly behaving like a single girl and getting lots of attention from men. Throw into the pile that she has also removed an app we mutually had on our phones to see each other's locations, that she originally wanted. I finally confronted her on all this. We got into a big fight over text, and now she is telling me she wants a divorce. She said I am too controlling and she doesn't like not being able to do what she wants. Plus she said "You are gone too much". She had given me her blessing to leave town to take care of my mom. Mind you, I have always told her "Go out without me, it wouldn't be fair of me to tell you you couldn't. " I had no idea she would behave like this. The obviously thinks that me being 800 miles away makes this OK. She has no idea how many people I know who will report stuff back to me. We have only been married for two years. Now I know what the military guys go through. Not sure what she is going to do now, or what I am going to do. I am still out of town.
we warned you about her. This is not to say I told you so, but just to say that the red flags were obvious with her. Im sure you must have felt really exasperated at the scarcity of this game to look past that, which I totally get. That has to be part of the story from us to learn from. Is it worth it to ignore red flags given how tight the game has become?

Anyways, Im sorry you had to go though this and Im sure you feel horrible right now. We have all been there.
 

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we warned you about her. This is not to say I told you so, but just to say that the red flags were obvious with her.
What were her red flags back then? Honest question. I cant remember.
 
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