Might have hit rock bottom due to alcoholism, but don't get that click

[zinc4]

I see these people drinking just a natural ice for example and are content. I don't understand how. I need to like 15 natural ices.

A lot of the men I got close to here in Florida are actually salesmen. One I met in rehab who was the Ford franchise sales manager of the dealership in Jacksonville, is one of the men I was closest to. He made a lot of money, time shares, cars, he sold everything, but he's a really bad alcoholic. Went from working for the Ford franchise, to a used car dealership, was the sales manager there, then he managed to fvck that up, so now he opened his own used dealership. This man would confide in me about his most personal things, especially with his wife who was also a salesman. He used to be fvcking rich, still has money. But he's just like me when it comes to addiction. He can't find peace in his life. No matter how much money or material possessions, he just lacks it. I don't know how he is now. My phone got stolen a few months ago when I was on the street again. I lost his number. He did kratom for a while, but started getting real emotionally unstable on it, like me. But when he drinks within a few days he's getting arrested, fighting the police, and waking up in jail.

I'm talking this man has had a beautiful home in Jacksonville, with horses, Mercedes, tons of tons of money. But he gains all this value, the stress the accumulation of value results in his addiction getting bad, then loses some of it. He's not a bad man at all. He grew up in rural Massachusetts. I grew up in rural Wisconsin. This is where we really connected. Especially talking about wandering around the woods alone as children. Hunting. Stealing out uncles alcohol. He's a country boy too. Seems like the more money he's gained, which is a lot, the more it's destroyed him.

I drink kratom pretty frequently. Love it. I might take a break soon though because i notice i dont sleep good without any more.

 

[Trez]

I drink kratom pretty frequently. Love it. I might take a break soon though because i notice i dont sleep good without any more.

Go cold turkey and report back how you feel. How many grams do you take per day and for how long have you been taking it? If I take ten grams I barely feel it. When I take it, I take an oz, and in a few days I need two ozs to get a decent feeling out of it.

 

[zinc4]

Go cold turkey and report back how you feel. How many grams do you take per day and for how long have you been taking it? If I take ten grams I barely feel it. When I take it, I take an oz, and in a few days I need two ozs to get a decent feeling out of it.

I just mixed it in powder with hot water one big tablespoon and do this all day and night.

I did it for like 10 months straight less year cold turkey because i moved to China and thankfully didnt have any withdrawals besides some insomnia and a bit of prolonged depression.

 

[FMCSMT]

It won’t kill you to not drink. Read that again.

Smoke weed man

 

[Trez]

I just mixed it in powder with hot water one big tablespoon and do this all day and night.

I did it for like 10 months straight less year cold turkey because i moved to China and thankfully didnt have any withdrawals besides some insomnia and a bit of prolonged depression.

But how many ounces would you say you were doing a day at your heaviest use? You never woke up sneezing and covered in sweat with your body aching?

 

[CAPSLOCK BANDIT]

Addiction is a nasty place man, but you did good by exposing yourself; that authenticity and the people who associate with you, because of it, will carry you through the hardest moments of sobriety.

Be infallible through your honesty; if you go to AA, they will drive it into you as well.

When I resolved my addiction, I realised i was not addicted to substance, but i was actually addicted to lying and the substance was simply an extension of it.

Yeah, guys will call you out for your honesty, it has to infect every part of your life, but i would say its a better life than being sober before addiction.

 

[Trez]

Addiction is a nasty place man, but you did good by exposing yourself; that authenticity and the people who associate with you, because of it, will carry you through the hardest moments of sobriety.

Be infallible through your honesty; if you go to AA, they will drive it into you as well.

When I resolved my addiction, I realised i was not addicted to substance, but i was actually addicted to lying and the substance was simply an extension of it.

Yeah, guys will call you out for your honesty, it has to infect every part of your life, but i would say its a better life than being sober before addiction.

But when you're in a downward spiral of drinking, especially if you get to the point of acting foolish, and feeling ashamed of it, it's hard to stop. Op isn't going to listen and just stop unfortunately. He needs something safer and less toxic to his physical and mental health to wean him back to sobriety when I get bad on drinking I won't listen or care about anything. I was a way harder drinker too. I'd drink the equivalent amount of five shots in ten minutes no problem, drink till I pass out. Wake up drink again. It's not good. As bad as op thinks he is, it can get much worse. He needs to either get weed, phenibut, kratom, or gabapentin and use those to get of the booze. Phenibut and kratom will work like a charm the first try, but they will cause physical dependency, but I suppose they're better than drinking tbqhwy.

People who are in their alcoholism, especially if it's too numb themselves from emotional pain, are very hard to convince.

 

[Trez]

Give us an update OP. Why don't you get another substance to get yourself off the booze? Are you in the US? You can go to the little Arab corner stores /gas stations or head shops and buy some kratom capsules.

 

[CAPSLOCK BANDIT]

But when you're in a downward spiral of drinking, especially if you get to the point of acting foolish, and feeling ashamed of it, it's hard to stop. Op isn't going to listen and just stop unfortunately. He needs something safer and less toxic to his physical and mental health to wean him back to sobriety when I get bad on drinking I won't listen or care about anything. I was a way harder drinker too. I'd drink the equivalent amount of five shots in ten minutes no problem, drink till I pass out. Wake up drink again. It's not good. As bad as op thinks he is, it can get much worse. He needs to either get weed, phenibut, kratom, or gabapentin and use those to get of the booze. Phenibut and kratom will work like a charm the first try, but they will cause physical dependency, but I suppose they're better than drinking tbqhwy.

People who are in their alcoholism, especially if it's too numb themselves from emotional pain, are very hard to convince.

You are right, I thought i read in his post that he was able to get through work w/o drinking, if u can do that without major shakes, ur prob gonna be safe, but yeah you need to do it safely regardless.

 

[Trez]

You are right, I thought i read in his post that he was able to get through work w/o drinking, if u can do that without major shakes, ur prob gonna be safe, but yeah you need to do it safely regardless.

He did write that. But the thing is that what's helping him get through work is that drink at the end of the day. I used to be just like that, the only thing motivating me was knowing im getting smashed later that night.

 

[HiTtc]

I just called it quits, I only drink anymore when out with friends and even then it’s a lot less. I have huge ups and downs, but it’s mainly because of being heartbroken. Waking up in the middle of the night are the hardest moments emotionally, but even though there is liquor in the house, I don’t feel the need anymore. In the end it makes me feel worse overall.

I pull myself up the next day knowing I didn’t drink alone anymore.

And no, I’m not gonna use something else. I realize I have a high propensity for substance abuse because of my mindset. I just need to change that. Huge and long objective, but one day I hope to achieve that.

 

[Trez]

I just called it quits, I only drink anymore when out with friends and even then it’s a lot less. I have huge ups and downs, but it’s mainly because of being heartbroken. Waking up in the middle of the night are the hardest moments emotionally, but even though there is liquor in the house, I don’t feel the need anymore. In the end it makes me feel worse overall.

I pull myself up the next day knowing I didn’t drink alone anymore.

And no, I’m not gonna use something else. I realize I have a high propensity for substance abuse because of my mindset. I just need to change that. Huge and long objective, but one day I hope to achieve that.

Good job. Just be glad you didn't end up drinking a liter if vodka a day. I've gotten so bad that I couldn't even keep it down, I needed a drink so badly but I couldn't stop throwing up.