Is It Too Risky To Bang Plates?

[Bokanovsky]

That makes sense, it mutates to spread from animal to human hosts, it mutates again to spread to other humans, it mutates again to spread itself faster. My only question is if it mutates enough times, do it’s case severity and mortality characteristics for humans change also…

It can mutate and become more lethal. It's also an open question as to what happens to people who are re-infected with a new strain. Too many unknowns.

 

[gettinit]

Medical history
You remember swine flu that was gonna kill us all about ten years ago? Wake up to Reality or fear it, Your choice…

As I had said before: I'm not fear peddling. I'm respect peddling. One single instance does not set a precedent and I would love to see a link to a recognized source that says swine flu became less deadly, when it actually became less contagious. AND it took over a year

 

[Billtx49]

Are you suggesting that the virus is mutating and becoming less lethal? I haven't seen any evidence of that. The fact of the matter is that we don't know much about the virus yet. It would be stupid and downright irresponsible to assume that just because you are young and have no pre-existing conditions, you could not die or suffer permanent health damage from it.

Read up on this viruses basics before posting. Older and at risk immune systems are the main kill field.

 

[Bokanovsky]

That's typically how things go but a vaccine will likely make this a moot point anyway with a year or two.

Flu vaccination is notoriously ineffective, that's why you have to do it every year (the virus mutates quickly) and even then, if often doesn't work.

 

[Bokanovsky]

Read up on this viruses basics before posting. Older and at risk immune systems are the main kill field.

That is true of ANY virus. Doesn't mean healthy people can't die from it, though the odds are lower.

 

[gettinit]

Read up on this viruses basics before posting.

I was actually going to suggest that you do the same.
Some light reading:

Influenza Virus (Flu)

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www.bcm.edu

 

[Billtx49]

I was actually going to suggest that you do the same.
Some light reading:

Influenza Virus (Flu)

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www.bcm.edu

Generic article describing known viruses. I’m talking a current issue derived from current facts.
I’ve always found it good to be up to date.

 

[RickTheToad]

What are you talking about? I can pull 25+ REAL scientific studies that shows significant improvement from using it versus nothing or other things like Tamiflu. Google elderberry studies and you'll find tons of them.

Apparently your version of proof doesn't involve scientific studies done in live people.
It blocks the receptor most viruses target to gain entry into the cell. Hence the virus cannot get into the cell. Hence it cannot replicate. Its MOA is very well understood.

I think you're nuts; but that's for a different topic and on a less serious note. Stop spreading snake oil across the forum. This is not the time nor the place to push Elderberry BS.

 

[Bokanovsky]

For those of you who don't study history (which seems to be about 99% of the population these days), this is what happened 102 years ago after the outbreak of the so-called Spanish Flu:

"The second wave of the 1918 pandemic was much deadlier than the first. The first wave had resembled typical flu epidemics; those most at risk were the sick and elderly, while younger, healthier people recovered easily. By August, when the second wave began in France, Sierra Leone, and the United States, the virus had mutated to a much deadlier form."

 

[gettinit]

Generic article describing known viruses. I’m talking a current issue.

Didn't you just reference swine flu from 10 years ago to make a point? Known viruses? Thats the entire thing. This is unknown. Please show me ANYTHING that backs up what you are saying

 

[gettinit]

I have stuff to go and do, so you have time.

 

[Billtx49]

Didn't you just reference swine flu from 10 years ago to make a point? Known viruses? Thats the entire thing. This is unknown. Please show me ANYTHING that backs up what you are saying

Pay attention. We know spread rates, mortality stats, and spread area. We know viruses mutate and change. Beyond that not many printed facts yet. Don’t confuse known facts from the past with unknown educated future speculation.

 

[RickTheToad]

Bro, you don’t know what you are talking about. Not a SINGLE person In the WORLD has died without the above mentioned criteria. Over 50 or underlying health condition. You are the one spreading misinformation. Relax. Of course it’s worst than the flu but 98% of people are not going to die from this.

@RickTheToad @FairShake @Rictor1 <—- medical professionals can you confirm this for @EyeBRollin so he can sit down somewhere?

I tend to give the advice from @EyeBRollin very little credence, but there are no stats to prove that this variant of the Coronavirus any less or more deadly than the garden variety flu. The COVID-19 variant has adapted and possibly mutated so it's able to spread more easily, but no one really knows how deadly it is. Over 500k people die of some version of influenza each year worldwide (source: https://www.pbs.org/newshour/health...die-of-influenza-worldwide-than-who-estimated).

With that said, this variant of the Coronavirus seems to more deadly to elderly people. The younger the animal (infects animals too), the higher the chance of defeating the virus early on. One of the items that the mass media is not reporting is that the wide majority of the people dying are one's with a weakened immune system and chronic diseases. The hot spot seems to be 60 - 80. So, we shall see. I am more concerned about my elderly colleagues, friends and family than anyone else. I have a feeling some will pass due to this virus.

This virus should now show all that we, as animals, are all on our own for survival. Nothing can stop Mother Nature. We just have to ride it out the best we can.

 

[Billtx49]

For those of you who don't study history (which seems to be about 99% of the population these days), this is what happened 102 years during, after the outbreak of the so-called Spanish Flu:

"The second wave of the 1918 pandemic was much deadlier than the first. The first wave had resembled typical flu epidemics; those most at risk were the sick and elderly, while younger, healthier people recovered easily. By August, when the second wave began in France, Sierra Leone, and the United States, the virus had mutated to a much deadlier form."

Yes, good reminder of how deadly a flu pandemic could be and it’s mutation capabilities. I would suggest though that worldwide cleanliness and medical factors were drastically different 1918-1920 during the first Spanish flu subtype H1N1 epidemic, the second being the Swine Flu subtype H1N1 in 2009.
Same virus classification, different result…
Civilization differences or a different mutation pattern? One very deadly, one much safer.
That men, is today’s question.…

 

[zekko]

I saw Dr. Oz on the news yesterday. He said that a year from now, 50% of people in the US will have had Covid-19, even with all the precautions. I don't know where he gets his information, he may be pulling that figure out of his arse. But that would be over 160 million people affected, and if you figure a death rate of 1% that's still 1.6 million deaths. I don't think anyone can accurately predict exactly what will happen though.

 

[Billtx49]

I saw Dr. Oz on the news yesterday. He said that a year from now, 50% of people in the US will have had Covid-19, even with all the precautions. I don't know where he gets his information, he may be pulling that figure out of his arse. But that would be over 160 million people affected, and if you figure a death rate of 1% that's still 1.6 million deaths. I don't think anyone can accurately predict exactly what will happen though.

If it isn't CDC or WHO, it’s TV talking head guesswork and I’m deaf …

 

[BackInTheGame78]

I think you're nuts; but that's for a different topic and on a less serious note. Stop spreading snake oil across the forum. This is not the time nor the place to push Elderberry BS.

Lmao...OK bro. Obviously you have reading comprehension issues or you are too lazy to actually go look at the mountain of evidence. Either way no skin off my back.

Your ignorance is only exceeded by your ignorance.

 

[RickTheToad]

Lmao...OK bro. Obviously you have reading comprehension issues or you are too lazy to actually go look at the mountain of evidence. Either way no skin off my back.

Your ignorance is only exceeded by your ignorance.

Perhaps, but at least my grammar is correct.

 

[Ohso-Phresh]

Truth.

Go watch ANY interview with ANYONE who has had the virus. Most say no symptoms to mild symptoms (like a cold) and at worst a headache and fever for 24 hours.

I watched an interview with a 55+ yr old couple yesterday that was part of the original quarantined cruise ship. Both tested positive. When asked if they would take advantage of another discounted cruise with possible infection knowing what they do now, they both said "We would absolutely go". Obviously there is at least short term immunity after having the virus, so they could go wherever they wanted without worry of getting it again right now.

But the media telling you that shyte doesnt sell their shelves bare. You dont think Costco, Kroger, Walmart and others arent making historic profit right now?

Also concerning Italy- Italy has one of the oldest age demographics in the world. Specifically northern Italy. Thus why their mortality rate was alarming, compounded with so many people spreading it and not even knowing about the virus yet.

If they wanted to stop it they would do this: Mandatory quarantine for all elderly and people with certain existing health issues. The rest of us go out and high five, hug, have a great time. We all get it and 3 weeks later it is gone. Period.

Just like they used to do with chicken pox before there was a vaccine.

But that type of thinking doesnt sell the shelves bare either.

Happy hunting.

^^^^mis-information.

 

[Ohso-Phresh]

Take Sambucol Elderberry twice daily. Hasn't specifically been shown to effect this virus but its got tons of scientific studies done showing its effectiveness against a wide variety of other viruses including the flu(shown superior to Tamiflu in multiple studies), HIV and upper respiratory infections. Since this is an upper respiratory infection and a virus it would reason it would be effective against this as well as its Mechanism Of Action is to block the virus from being able to enter cells and thereby preventing it from replicating.

Recent developments have the protocol as elderberry as preventive but if one contracts it, then stop. The elderberry will make it worse.