RangerMIke
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You really don't know much about sales. You sell in person. If you don't get her out, you can not sell.
"Why Women Dump the Guys Who Try the Hardest"
You paid for dinner. You drove. You said "whatever you want is fine" every single time. All the effort, no expectations.
And she left anyway — probably for a guy who makes her pick up the pizza.
Painful. Also predictable. Her mind quietly concludes that anything requiring zero effort from her is worth exactly zero. You became a free sample, and free samples get taken for granted.
The 22 Rules flip the dynamic. Small shifts that get her investing effort, money, and time in you — until SHE'S the one afraid of losing YOU.
How to handle this Flake?
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"So, What Do You Do for Fun?"
She asks it casually, mid-sip. And you feel the floor open up, because the honest answer is work, gym, and a couple shows you're half-watching.
Women rarely say this out loud, but a man with a life is attractive before he says a word. The guy who spent Saturday deep-sea fishing and came back with photos and a story — he walks in already interesting.
The "22 Rules" pushed me to build a life worth talking about. Turns out the fastest way to be interesting to women is to be interested in your own life first.
devilkingx2
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how long have you been working on this? it shouldn't take more than a couple weeks (at max), but basically whenever you've displayed all your most attractive personality traits in a natural way there's no more progress you can make without asking her out
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I just don't get it. The OP asked how to handle this when he sees her. Many good responses later the OP acts like he is making excuses as to why he can't be a man and ask her out.
I've said it before, is this what this forum has come to?
I wouldn't limp into the doctor to get feeling better to only tell him I'm not ready to feel better just yet.
Eye roll.
I've said it before, is this what this forum has come to?
I wouldn't limp into the doctor to get feeling better to only tell him I'm not ready to feel better just yet.
Eye roll.
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Its off an on. She seems a inexperienced. I may have to have her a tag along a time or two then do it.
devilkingx2
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you sound scared, lol.
"Nervous Around Beautiful Women? There's a Rule for That"
I could talk to any woman I wasn't attracted to. Charming, funny, relaxed. Then a gorgeous woman looked my way and I'd become a sweating, babbling mess.
The fix took me years to find and ten minutes to learn. Nervousness and excitement are the same physical state — pounding heart, adrenaline, flushed face. Your brain just picks the label. And you can pick a better one.
Rule 16 shows you how. You feel the nerves, relabel them as excitement, and let that energy pour out as enthusiasm. Women notice the guy radiating it. They always do.
No, why?
devilkingx2
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you need to nut up and make a move soon fam
Well I'll get to it.
marmel75
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You can't ask her out? What kind of nonsense statement is that.
Of course, you can ask her out, you simply aren't because you are not confident enough that she will say yes, want to continue your fantasy of thinking she is actually interested in you and not come crashing back to reality if she says no, or are too afraid to act.
There is no "magic" amount of time that you need to wait. You aren't tipping the odds in your favor by waiting, quite the opposite actually.
I think she does but wants to get to know me more.She always asked when she can see me again in the gym. And jumped at the chance to go to the film. She said this twice while cutting me off. I wasn't even asking her. I was saying what I was up to. If she didnt like me, she would have not cut me off twice and insisted to go.She impulsively said this. Her enthusiasm was instant.
She chickened out. She probably over thought it and that got the best of her. She was to impulsive in wanting to go. She most likely likes me and that made her want to go so badly. a lot of women do that.
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"So, What Do You Do for Fun?"
She asks it casually, mid-sip. And you feel the floor open up, because the honest answer is work, gym, and a couple shows you're half-watching.
Women rarely say this out loud, but a man with a life is attractive before he says a word. The guy who spent Saturday deep-sea fishing and came back with photos and a story — he walks in already interesting.
The "22 Rules" pushed me to build a life worth talking about. Turns out the fastest way to be interesting to women is to be interested in your own life first.
marmel75
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This is such bullish!t. Act like a man and stop being a b!tch and ask her out on a date.
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Are you a troll? Serious question.
Not to sound mean, but this thread smells like a troll or absolutely zero common sense on your part.
You say she likes you. You obviously like her.
That is called interest. 1+1= 2. So most people who have any social skills in this situation with a man card would ask her out. You are being a complete b!tch and almost waiting for her to ask you out. Is that what you're doing? Waiting for her to dry hump you at the gym? Because thats not how this works.
She shows interest.....and she has. You pick up on it......which you have. You ask her out directly, she says yes or no. If she says yes, you go out for drinks, make her laugh, listen attentively, kino her and try to smash her. Its actually a really simple process.
You are making this WAAAAYYYYYY too difficult. My work is done here. You just arent getting it or you are just seeking attention on this forum. Either way, I am out.
wifehunter
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I usually brush off flakes.
Dandruff sucks.
Dandruff sucks.
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Not from experience, but I heard Head and Shoulders will help get rid of flakes. No pun intended.
"I'm Not Looking for Anything Serious Right Now"
When a woman says it, guys hear a confession. A heads-up. A scheduling conflict.
Here's the translation: I don't feel anything. Right now. With you.
Watch what happens when a man triggers actual attraction. The busy career, the recent breakup, the "not in a place to date" — all of it evaporates instantly. The same woman who was guarding her freedom is suddenly free every night.
The "22 Rules" explain why. When the right switches flip, her timeline rearranges itself around you.
Im honestly not trolling. I dont really troll. I was just asking about this "flakiness". It was said earlier that it wasn't flakiness and I guess that was sort of true.
I was hoping for some anecdotes and stuff like that, like your own stories and philosophy, not any accusations.
wifehunter
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Pun?
sazc
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Listen, IMO if your really, truly made her day when you showed up, you would have already gotten into her panties. She's trying to hook you into her orbit by feeding you hopeful words.
That's why this thread sounds troll-ish - because the chick has managed to convince you that there's a chance, and that's what you are regurgitating.
"I just moved here from Florida."
That sentence contains at least five follow-up questions she WANTS you to ask. Where in Florida? What brought you here? How long have you been in the area? What do you miss? How does it compare to here?
She handed them to you on a silver platter. And you said, "Oh cool. I come here every week. I love this band. Ummm... pretty crowded tonight."
She smiled politely. Nodded. And never texted you back.
I was that guy for years. Talking too much. Listening too little. Panicking about my next sentence while she was literally feeding me the answers.
Then I found 22 rules that fixed the whole thing. Rule number one: shut up and listen. She'll tell you exactly what to say.