"So, What Do You Do for Fun?"

She asks it casually, mid-sip. And you feel the floor open up, because the honest answer is work, gym, and a couple shows you're half-watching.

Women rarely say this out loud, but a man with a life is attractive before he says a word. The guy who spent Saturday deep-sea fishing and came back with photos and a story — he walks in already interesting.

The "22 Rules" pushed me to build a life worth talking about. Turns out the fastest way to be interesting to women is to be interested in your own life first.

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How to handle this Flake?

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Listen, IMO if your really, truly made her day when you showed up, you would have already gotten into her panties. She's trying to hook you into her orbit by feeding you hopeful words.
That's why this thread sounds troll-ish - because the chick has managed to convince you that there's a chance, and that's what you are regurgitating.
No she seems genuine, I intend to wait this out a bit.She spends a ton of time talking to me and no one else, over and over again. She keeps coming back to all and talk
 

"Why Women Dump the Guys Who Try the Hardest"

You paid for dinner. You drove. You said "whatever you want is fine" every single time. All the effort, no expectations.

And she left anyway — probably for a guy who makes her pick up the pizza.

Painful. Also predictable. Her mind quietly concludes that anything requiring zero effort from her is worth exactly zero. You became a free sample, and free samples get taken for granted.

The 22 Rules flip the dynamic. Small shifts that get her investing effort, money, and time in you — until SHE'S the one afraid of losing YOU.

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No she seems genuine, I intend to wait this out a bit.She spends a ton of time talking to me and no one else, over and over again. She keeps coming back to all and talk
good luck
 

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good luck
Sarcasm?

Not sure what to do just yet. But she always comes up to talk to me then leaves then comes back for more over and over again.. I don't compliment her or anything like that. It could be that she wants to get to know me better feel more comfortable first. And if that goes well, then we can take it outside the gym.She might not want to invest the time just yet. I suspect she might be the inexperienced young girl type. slightly religious perhaps. Not sure I need more info.
 

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@Sdives not sarcasm, sincerity. I have no dog in this fight. I hope you get what you want. No clue why you don't simply ask her out
 

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@Sdives not sarcasm, sincerity. I have no dog in this fight. I hope you get what you want. No clue why you don't simply ask her out

I dont think its reached that point. She does touch me allot, e.g. my hands yesterday, saying she will come back and talk after seeing one of her girl friends there. She sneaks up behind me and taps the back of my knee or swats me with rolled up paper. I think she might be window shopping if you catch my drift. she not sure what to do, but if I come on too strong she'll back out. So I need to wait until she's ready. The friendliness is increasing so its like an upwards slope right now, not at the peak.
 

"How I Made Sure No Woman Ever Friend-Zoned Me Again"

She calls you when her car breaks down. When she needs help moving. When some guy she's actually dating treats her badly.

You're the listener. The reliable one. The guy who would treat her so much better, if she'd just open her eyes.

She won't. You trained her to see you as the low-effort option — the friend who requires zero risk and zero investment. Every favor dug the hole deeper.

The "22 Rules" break the pattern. You'll stop auditioning for a role she already cast and become the man she chases instead. It starts with Rule 1.

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I dont think its reached that point. She does touch me allot, e.g. my hands yesterday, saying she will come back and talk after seeing one of her girl friends there. She sneaks up behind me and taps the back of my knee or swats me with rolled up paper. I think she might be window shopping if you catch my drift. she not sure what to do, but if I come on too strong she'll back out. So I need to wait until she's ready. The friendliness is increasing so its like an upwards slope right now, not at the peak.
Hasn't reached the point of you being a man and acting like one? You are simply afraid of having your little fantasy vanish if she rejects you. She sees you as a friend and you are spending way too much time analysing. In the meantime she is swallowing some random dudes d1ck she just met at the bar down the street while you wait for "the perfect time".

Get a fvcking clue dude.
 

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Sdives, I hope that by now you realize that everyone here is telling you the same thing.
If you think a girl needs to be comfortable to have sex, you are officially bluepill. Passion and attraction is all that's required for a good session of sex.
When a girl says she needs to feel comfortable first, what she really means is I am looking for a provider/orbiter and I might maybe possibly but prolly not give you sex if you jump in all of the hoops like a good little boy.
If you pitch in a date, it drastically increase your value to her because you know what you want and it's obviously her and are not afraid to get what you want.

Talking to her hours and hours puts you in friend zone... for all I know it might be too late already in your case. Cause now, she might try and make you feel bad for "asking her so early" and the thing is since you are not experienced enough, this feminine tactic will work.
I'd pitch a 1on1 date at a bar and either leave after 1-2hr MAX and then go for a second date at your/her place OR try and go to her preferably or your place after 2-3 hrs of first date anb seal the deal.
I know you think it makes you an animal but that's what women want you to believe so they can better control/use you. Men currency is attention, female currency is sex. That's how it is. This is redpill stuff. You are giving her plenty, she's giving you none. You are clearly highly attracted to her so be a man and show her how you feel and don't feel bad about it. If it doesn't work (and it prolly won't) no big deal, this is a great learning experience and there are ****tons of fish in the sea.
 

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1. Stop micro analyzing
2. Do not believe what a woman says but believe in what she does
3. He who hesitates is lost.

If a girl invited herself to the movies that you and two guys were going to you should be busting her chops. Think if the situation was reversed and you invited yourself to a movie that she and two girlfriends were going to see. Don't you think that would come off as creepy/needy?
 

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1. Stop micro analyzing
2. Do not believe what a woman says but believe in what she does
3. He who hesitates is lost.

If a girl invited herself to the movies that you and two guys were going to you should be busting her chops. Think if the situation was reversed and you invited yourself to a movie that she and two girlfriends were going to see. Don't you think that would come off as creepy/needy?
There ended up being 8 of us at the movie 2 couples and us 4 single guys. She didnt know that and I didnt know there were going to be 8. I wont bust her chops on it.
 

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There ended up being 8 of us at the movie 2 couples and us 4 single guys. She didnt know that and I didnt know there were going to be 8. I wont bust her chops on it.
Doesn't matter. Forget about the number and image that you invited yourself to something. Unless your running some savage game or f'ing with your buddies, inviting yourself somewhere is socially inappropriate, awkward, and frankly disrespectful in 99% of cases. By not busting her chops you are tolerating disrespect and allowing her to walk over your boundaries. It either means she thinks you're a big *****, or even worse, she's toxic and has no regard for boundaries, and that should be your cue to exit stage left.
 

"She Liked You in March. It's October Now."

Attraction runs on a clock.

She flirted for weeks. Touched your arm. Found reasons to be alone with you. And you were careful. Respectful. Waiting for the right moment.

The moment had a shelf life. It expired around month two, and by the time you asked her out, she'd quietly filed you under "little brother."

One of the hardest lessons inside the 22 Rules: women rarely wait. Interest either grows or it decays, and nothing decays it faster than a man who never moves.

Make the move while she's still inventing reasons to be near you.

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Her assertiveness is borderline annoying. Possessive chicks are often the most assertive.

If you want to meet her, I suggest doing this:

Call her now say "Hey can't talk long. Want you on a one-on-date this FRI evening. Join me for a drink at 8 at (place)?" Don't rush the conversation. But get to the point. 5-minute convo MAX. If she keeps the conversation aglow, let it go for 15 mins. but ALWAYS be the one who ends the conversation.

If she doesn't answer the phone don't leave a voicemail but text this after calling: "Just tried calling you ;) ;)" Then go out have fun work hard meet lots of other girls.
Invite her to The Rusty Nail...no chick can resist that place, right @Espi ? :D
 

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You do nothing. This is a non productive overthinking. Act like you don't give a shît and keep mackin her.
 
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