RangerMIke
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You really don't know much about sales. You sell in person. If you don't get her out, you can not sell.
"How I Made Sure No Woman Ever Friend-Zoned Me Again"
She calls you when her car breaks down. When she needs help moving. When some guy she's actually dating treats her badly.
You're the listener. The reliable one. The guy who would treat her so much better, if she'd just open her eyes.
She won't. You trained her to see you as the low-effort option — the friend who requires zero risk and zero investment. Every favor dug the hole deeper.
The "22 Rules" break the pattern. You'll stop auditioning for a role she already cast and become the man she chases instead. It starts with Rule 1.
How to handle this Flake?
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"She Made Her Decision Before You Finished Your Sentence"
Three seconds. That's how long it took. Your shoes. Your posture. The way you held your drink. Whether you looked at the floor or looked at her.
She already filed you away. Interesting. Boring. Safe. Bold. Before you even opened your mouth.
Everything you say after that is just her confirming what she already decided.
So stop rehearsing lines. Fix the first three seconds. Stand tall. Look up. Smile like you mean it. Walk like you belong wherever you're standing.
The words come later. The impression comes first.
devilkingx2
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how long have you been working on this? it shouldn't take more than a couple weeks (at max), but basically whenever you've displayed all your most attractive personality traits in a natural way there's no more progress you can make without asking her out
Glassguy
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I just don't get it. The OP asked how to handle this when he sees her. Many good responses later the OP acts like he is making excuses as to why he can't be a man and ask her out.
I've said it before, is this what this forum has come to?
I wouldn't limp into the doctor to get feeling better to only tell him I'm not ready to feel better just yet.
Eye roll.
I've said it before, is this what this forum has come to?
I wouldn't limp into the doctor to get feeling better to only tell him I'm not ready to feel better just yet.
Eye roll.
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Its off an on. She seems a inexperienced. I may have to have her a tag along a time or two then do it.
devilkingx2
Master Don Juan
you sound scared, lol.
"I just moved here from Florida."
That sentence contains at least five follow-up questions she WANTS you to ask. Where in Florida? What brought you here? How long have you been in the area? What do you miss? How does it compare to here?
She handed them to you on a silver platter. And you said, "Oh cool. I come here every week. I love this band. Ummm... pretty crowded tonight."
She smiled politely. Nodded. And never texted you back.
I was that guy for years. Talking too much. Listening too little. Panicking about my next sentence while she was literally feeding me the answers.
Then I found 22 rules that fixed the whole thing. Rule number one: shut up and listen. She'll tell you exactly what to say.
No, why?
devilkingx2
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you need to nut up and make a move soon fam
Well I'll get to it.
marmel75
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You can't ask her out? What kind of nonsense statement is that.
Of course, you can ask her out, you simply aren't because you are not confident enough that she will say yes, want to continue your fantasy of thinking she is actually interested in you and not come crashing back to reality if she says no, or are too afraid to act.
There is no "magic" amount of time that you need to wait. You aren't tipping the odds in your favor by waiting, quite the opposite actually.
I think she does but wants to get to know me more.She always asked when she can see me again in the gym. And jumped at the chance to go to the film. She said this twice while cutting me off. I wasn't even asking her. I was saying what I was up to. If she didnt like me, she would have not cut me off twice and insisted to go.She impulsively said this. Her enthusiasm was instant.
She chickened out. She probably over thought it and that got the best of her. She was to impulsive in wanting to go. She most likely likes me and that made her want to go so badly. a lot of women do that.
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"Stop Asking Your Friends What to Text Her"
Your buddy Dave has been single for three years and thinks "hey u up" is a valid strategy. Your other buddy Mike just got dumped and told you to "just be yourself."
You showed them her text. You asked them to decode the emoji. You drafted four responses and sent the screenshot to the group chat for a vote.
She's been waiting forty minutes.
Put the phone down. Stop crowdsourcing your love life. Type something that sounds like you. Hit send. Then go do literally anything else with your evening.
marmel75
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This is such bullish!t. Act like a man and stop being a b!tch and ask her out on a date.
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Are you a troll? Serious question.
Not to sound mean, but this thread smells like a troll or absolutely zero common sense on your part.
You say she likes you. You obviously like her.
That is called interest. 1+1= 2. So most people who have any social skills in this situation with a man card would ask her out. You are being a complete b!tch and almost waiting for her to ask you out. Is that what you're doing? Waiting for her to dry hump you at the gym? Because thats not how this works.
She shows interest.....and she has. You pick up on it......which you have. You ask her out directly, she says yes or no. If she says yes, you go out for drinks, make her laugh, listen attentively, kino her and try to smash her. Its actually a really simple process.
You are making this WAAAAYYYYYY too difficult. My work is done here. You just arent getting it or you are just seeking attention on this forum. Either way, I am out.
wifehunter
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I usually brush off flakes.
Dandruff sucks.
Dandruff sucks.
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Not from experience, but I heard Head and Shoulders will help get rid of flakes. No pun intended.
"I'm Not Looking for Anything Serious Right Now"
When a woman says it, guys hear a confession. A heads-up. A scheduling conflict.
Here's the translation: I don't feel anything. Right now. With you.
Watch what happens when a man triggers actual attraction. The busy career, the recent breakup, the "not in a place to date" — all of it evaporates instantly. The same woman who was guarding her freedom is suddenly free every night.
The "22 Rules" explain why. When the right switches flip, her timeline rearranges itself around you.
Im honestly not trolling. I dont really troll. I was just asking about this "flakiness". It was said earlier that it wasn't flakiness and I guess that was sort of true.
I was hoping for some anecdotes and stuff like that, like your own stories and philosophy, not any accusations.
wifehunter
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Pun?
sazc
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Listen, IMO if your really, truly made her day when you showed up, you would have already gotten into her panties. She's trying to hook you into her orbit by feeding you hopeful words.
That's why this thread sounds troll-ish - because the chick has managed to convince you that there's a chance, and that's what you are regurgitating.
"Stop Asking Your Friends What to Text Her"
Your buddy Dave has been single for three years and thinks "hey u up" is a valid strategy. Your other buddy Mike just got dumped and told you to "just be yourself."
You showed them her text. You asked them to decode the emoji. You drafted four responses and sent the screenshot to the group chat for a vote.
She's been waiting forty minutes.
Put the phone down. Stop crowdsourcing your love life. Type something that sounds like you. Hit send. Then go do literally anything else with your evening.