"She Wants a Man, Not a Boy"

You asked her if she wanted to grab coffee. Then you asked if the time worked. Then you asked if the place was okay. Then you asked if she'd prefer tea.

Four questions. Four chances for her to say no. Four signals that you're terrified of making a decision.

Plan it. Pick the place. Pick the time. Tell her where to meet you. She'll either show up or she won't.

Either way, you look like a man instead of a scared little boy.

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How to deal with angry betas?

Grifonculo

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Most of the time, when I approach women in social settings (like bars, restaurants, gyms, or clubs), I often have to deal with angry beta males who get very triggered by my behavior. Sometimes, they even give me angry looks — a few have even said things like I’m a “monster” or that I “play with women,” just because I initiated a conversation. Today, for example, a guy called me a "women player" simply because I didn’t reciprocate a girl's attention, refusing her.
(so it seems that even refusing girl trigger them).

Since I’m attracted to Asian women, it sometimes happens that when I approach a Chinese girl, there are Chinese guys nearby who react with very angry expressions — as if they’re sending me all their hatred. I’d say Chinese simps are the most emotional and resentful ones; they seem to harbor deep resentment toward a normal guy like me for approaching women. This evening I was at a chinese restaurant and I saw a table with 3 chinese girls, and one of them was very pretty. I just approached her while she wa eating and told her she is very pretty. The chinese waiter basically refused me a table, not letting me eating at the restaurant.


So here’s my point: the real issue is that these simps or beta males often try to ruin my reputation by telling women things like “stay away from him,” “he’s a bad guy,” or “be careful, he’s the type who hits on women.” These guys make the whole experience of approaching women really uncomfortable — it’s like walking on eggshells. I try not to care and just ignore them, but the reality is, they ruin a lot of potential opportunities for me.

How do you guys deal with betas?
 

"You Can't Argue a Woman Into Liking You"

You made your case like a lawyer. Stable job. Good guy. Ready for something real. All true. All irrelevant.

She weighed your points, nodded along, felt nothing — then fell hard for some tattooed bartender with a motorcycle and a gambling problem.

Logic is where attraction goes to die. The "22 Rules" work a level deeper, on the subconscious switches that decide within minutes whether you register as a MAN or as part of the furniture.

Stop presenting evidence. Start flipping switches.

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Manure Spherian

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Most of the time, when I approach women in social settings (like bars, restaurants, gyms, or clubs), I often have to deal with angry beta males who get very triggered by my behavior. Sometimes, they even give me angry looks — a few have even said things like I’m a “monster” or that I “play with women,” just because I initiated a conversation. Today, for example, a guy called me a "women player" simply because I didn’t reciprocate a girl's attention, refusing her.
(so it seems that even refusing girl trigger them).

Since I’m attracted to Asian women, it sometimes happens that when I approach a Chinese girl, there are Chinese guys nearby who react with very angry expressions — as if they’re sending me all their hatred. I’d say Chinese simps are the most emotional and resentful ones; they seem to harbor deep resentment toward a normal guy like me for approaching women. This evening I was at a chinese restaurant and I saw a table with 3 chinese girls, and one of them was very pretty. I just approached her while she wa eating and told her she is very pretty. The chinese waiter basically refused me a table, not letting me eating at the restaurant.


So here’s my point: the real issue is that these simps or beta males often try to ruin my reputation by telling women things like “stay away from him,” “he’s a bad guy,” or “be careful, he’s the type who hits on women.” These guys make the whole experience of approaching women really uncomfortable — it’s like walking on eggshells. I try not to care and just ignore them, but the reality is, they ruin a lot of potential opportunities for me.

How do you guys deal with betas?
You can’t. What are you going to do, beat them up?
 

BaronOfHair

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How do you guys deal with betas?
One option:

When you next find yourself the target of opprobium like "You're a monster” or "You just play with women", retort:

"Chillax, my ninja... I haven't even sliced the tits off of this one's chest yet, much less stuffed them with wood wool, then played volleyball with each
 

Oatmeal31

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Most of the time, when I approach women in social settings (like bars, restaurants, gyms, or clubs), I often have to deal with angry beta males who get very triggered by my behavior. Sometimes, they even give me angry looks — a few have even said things like I’m a “monster” or that I “play with women,” just because I initiated a conversation. Today, for example, a guy called me a "women player" simply because I didn’t reciprocate a girl's attention, refusing her.
(so it seems that even refusing girl trigger them).

Since I’m attracted to Asian women, it sometimes happens that when I approach a Chinese girl, there are Chinese guys nearby who react with very angry expressions — as if they’re sending me all their hatred. I’d say Chinese simps are the most emotional and resentful ones; they seem to harbor deep resentment toward a normal guy like me for approaching women. This evening I was at a chinese restaurant and I saw a table with 3 chinese girls, and one of them was very pretty. I just approached her while she wa eating and told her she is very pretty. The chinese waiter basically refused me a table, not letting me eating at the restaurant.


So here’s my point: the real issue is that these simps or beta males often try to ruin my reputation by telling women things like “stay away from him,” “he’s a bad guy,” or “be careful, he’s the type who hits on women.” These guys make the whole experience of approaching women really uncomfortable — it’s like walking on eggshells. I try not to care and just ignore them, but the reality is, they ruin a lot of potential opportunities for me.

How do you guys deal with betas?
I doubt those women will take their opinions seriously, especially if they aren't familiar with them. I say ignore, maybe even tease them and shift your attention back to her.

My 2 cents
 

Clockwerk50

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I don’t have much to add, but your question reminds me a lot of the thread below about OP being put down by men when approaching women. Some of the responses there might help with your dilemma.

 

"Stop Asking Your Friends What to Text Her"

Your buddy Dave has been single for three years and thinks "hey u up" is a valid strategy. Your other buddy Mike just got dumped and told you to "just be yourself."

You showed them her text. You asked them to decode the emoji. You drafted four responses and sent the screenshot to the group chat for a vote.

She's been waiting forty minutes.

Put the phone down. Stop crowdsourcing your love life. Type something that sounds like you. Hit send. Then go do literally anything else with your evening.

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"She Laughed All Night. Then She Ghosted You. Here's Why."

Dinner ran three hours. She laughed at everything. You walked her to her car thinking this one's locked in.

Then: nothing. Two texts. No reply. What happened?

You did what most men do on a great date. You filled every silence, answered every question, and left her with nothing to wonder about. No mystery. Nothing to sit with when she got home.

Rule 3 of the "22 Rules" changes the ending: tell her a little, hold back the rest, and let her imagination do the chasing. The ghosting stops too.

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BillyPilgrim

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Call them a Karen
 
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