Dukester
Master Don Juan
this is just for reference, no logical reason for doing this...
"How I Made Sure No Woman Ever Friend-Zoned Me Again"
She calls you when her car breaks down. When she needs help moving. When some guy she's actually dating treats her badly.
You're the listener. The reliable one. The guy who would treat her so much better, if she'd just open her eyes.
She won't. You trained her to see you as the low-effort option — the friend who requires zero risk and zero investment. Every favor dug the hole deeper.
The "22 Rules" break the pattern. You'll stop auditioning for a role she already cast and become the man she chases instead. It starts with Rule 1.
How Much?
- Thread starter Dukester
- Start date
"Why Women Dump the Guys Who Try the Hardest"
You paid for dinner. You drove. You said "whatever you want is fine" every single time. All the effort, no expectations.
And she left anyway — probably for a guy who makes her pick up the pizza.
Painful. Also predictable. Her mind quietly concludes that anything requiring zero effort from her is worth exactly zero. You became a free sample, and free samples get taken for granted.
The 22 Rules flip the dynamic. Small shifts that get her investing effort, money, and time in you — until SHE'S the one afraid of losing YOU.
Dark Nimbus
Senior Don Juan
Wtf?!?? Some of you would spend more then $50 on a first date? Even if I had the money I wouldn't spend more then $5-10 on a first date. I wonder how much better your chances of getting laid with the average girl are if you spend sick money on her during the first date. I'm guessing not much better then mine though...
rgeere
Master Don Juan
The only dates I go on are the ones where I have to run some random errand and the girl is along for the ride.
This means that however much I spend, I spend it on myself. I don't go out on dates "just for her" like a lot of AFCs believe that have to do.
This means that however much I spend, I spend it on myself. I don't go out on dates "just for her" like a lot of AFCs believe that have to do.
CapiCrimini
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what do you mean?
I always try to fit her into my schedule when I go on a date. Meaning if I'm going to so-and-so to get whatever and blah-blah-cafe` is on the way. I'd ask her to stop by there on the way.[well that would be what I would do if I actually went anywhere to do stuff.
]But errand to me means a car ride to the post-office to drop off a letter...?
Could you explain.
--EDIT--
I also havn't ever spent more then $20 on a girl for a date myself. The most I've ever spent was $30 and that was more my parents. She came with me to a theme park. Wasn't really a first date though.
As always offer to pay for her half, if she says she'll pay let her...
Anyway. $5-$10 sounds right.[including your expense.]
rgeere
Master Don Juan
Yeah, you are spending time with her while doing things that you would do normally. Meaning you don't go out of the way to do anything with her.
"She Made Her Decision Before You Finished Your Sentence"
Three seconds. That's how long it took. Your shoes. Your posture. The way you held your drink. Whether you looked at the floor or looked at her.
She already filed you away. Interesting. Boring. Safe. Bold. Before you even opened your mouth.
Everything you say after that is just her confirming what she already decided.
So stop rehearsing lines. Fix the first three seconds. Stand tall. Look up. Smile like you mean it. Walk like you belong wherever you're standing.
The words come later. The impression comes first.
CapiCrimini
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GIRL: So when are we going out?
YOU: I crap at 5:01pm...ummm... so If you could be there at 5:00 I think I could fit in a five minute-r... sound good?
GIRL: Sounds great!
I got you though regree.
MrCode
Senior Don Juan
I once spent $80 on a first date (dinner at some fancy-ass restaurant.) The chic really liked me and spending that kind of cash was completely pointless, but I didn't know then what I know now.
I could have totally banged that chic, but didn't because I didn't like her that much. I was also a major AFC.
Now a first date is coffee at the most, or just walking around or doing errands, rgeere-style.
I could have totally banged that chic, but didn't because I didn't like her that much. I was also a major AFC.
Now a first date is coffee at the most, or just walking around or doing errands, rgeere-style.
Dukester
Master Don Juan
i only spend about 5-15, maybe 20, depending on how much i like the girl, and how much she likes me
for those that spend over $50, u guys must be on crack!
for those that spend over $50, u guys must be on crack!