fruitopiax
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^^ basically what the title says. Without kissing her on the lips/making out. Kissing on the body/foreplay doesn't count.
"The Kiss of Death Mistake"
You replay the conversation at 2 a.m. She texted back fast yesterday. Today, nothing. Was that smile friendly or flirty? What did the shoulder touch mean?
Every hour you spend decoding her signals drains your confidence and hands her the controls. Women can sense that insecurity from across the room — and it repels them.
One of the "22 Rules" kills the obsession on the spot: assume she likes you, and act accordingly. Sounds too simple. Works anyway.
Her interest tends to rise to meet your expectations. Psychologists call it a self-fulfilling prophecy.
Have you ever had sex with a girl without kissing her once?
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"How I Made Sure No Woman Ever Friend-Zoned Me Again"
She calls you when her car breaks down. When she needs help moving. When some guy she's actually dating treats her badly.
You're the listener. The reliable one. The guy who would treat her so much better, if she'd just open her eyes.
She won't. You trained her to see you as the low-effort option — the friend who requires zero risk and zero investment. Every favor dug the hole deeper.
The "22 Rules" break the pattern. You'll stop auditioning for a role she already cast and become the man she chases instead. It starts with Rule 1.
PRMoon
Master Don Juan
I'm calling for clarification. Do you mean never kissing her until sex or never kissing her before then kissing in the courting process leading to sex?
"She Liked You in March. It's October Now."
Attraction runs on a clock.
She flirted for weeks. Touched your arm. Found reasons to be alone with you. And you were careful. Respectful. Waiting for the right moment.
The moment had a shelf life. It expired around month two, and by the time you asked her out, she'd quietly filed you under "little brother."
One of the hardest lessons inside the 22 Rules: women rarely wait. Interest either grows or it decays, and nothing decays it faster than a man who never moves.
Make the move while she's still inventing reasons to be near you.
fruitopiax
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Not the second one. I mean more along the lines of you and her are somewhere isolated (room or something) and you end up having sex without actually kissing her. Like foreplay without lip kissing.PRMoon said:
PRMoon
Master Don Juan
Well I'm out. Kissing is my keys to the court yard. I'm doubtful that many people on this site will meet those standards without her being an actual prostitute. I do remember one guy who banged a girl without kissing her but he was a complete loser and she told him verbatum "you can do whatever you want to me but you can't kiss me"fruitopiax said:
Kissing provides a sense of intamacy and most girls won't forgo this unless the guy is inferior and they just want d*ck. Unanimously, every girl I've had sex with has wanted me on some level so sex without intamacy has not happened.
Kev07
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I did, not all the way, but I didn't feel like kissing her cause she was a pretty good friend
Popeyes
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She has an ugly face?
Yep, sure have. Met her at a mutual friends party. Got to talking and flirting. Next thing you know I'm feeling her up, strong kino, etc. Then BAM! We're doing each other in an empty room.
Actually it was very lame, and not that fun at all. It may have been crappy sex but at least I can add it to my man-card.
Actually it was very lame, and not that fun at all. It may have been crappy sex but at least I can add it to my man-card.
"Why Women Dump the Guys Who Try the Hardest"
You paid for dinner. You drove. You said "whatever you want is fine" every single time. All the effort, no expectations.
And she left anyway — probably for a guy who makes her pick up the pizza.
Painful. Also predictable. Her mind quietly concludes that anything requiring zero effort from her is worth exactly zero. You became a free sample, and free samples get taken for granted.
The 22 Rules flip the dynamic. Small shifts that get her investing effort, money, and time in you — until SHE'S the one afraid of losing YOU.
kdnash82
Master Don Juan
Absolutely prefer this method if it's a one night stand hit and quit. Who cares about passion?
guywhoneedshelp
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I've done this before. We had already agreed to fvck after sending messages to eachother on MySpace.
fourblueballs
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I have.
It was a friday night.. I was doing something terrible right. Girls where approaching me.. left and right... pinching my bum.... ect. It was the first time.. that I had naturally used passive openers. I was seeing a girl I liked.. so I was TRYING to behave.
So I go down stairs.. and get swooped up by a girl... something just came over me.. it was all animal. Next thing I know.. I am inside of her grinding away.
I never kissed her... I did **** her from behind on the dance floor though.
It was a friday night.. I was doing something terrible right. Girls where approaching me.. left and right... pinching my bum.... ect. It was the first time.. that I had naturally used passive openers. I was seeing a girl I liked.. so I was TRYING to behave.
So I go down stairs.. and get swooped up by a girl... something just came over me.. it was all animal. Next thing I know.. I am inside of her grinding away.
I never kissed her... I did **** her from behind on the dance floor though.
"She Liked You in March. It's October Now."
Attraction runs on a clock.
She flirted for weeks. Touched your arm. Found reasons to be alone with you. And you were careful. Respectful. Waiting for the right moment.
The moment had a shelf life. It expired around month two, and by the time you asked her out, she'd quietly filed you under "little brother."
One of the hardest lessons inside the 22 Rules: women rarely wait. Interest either grows or it decays, and nothing decays it faster than a man who never moves.
Make the move while she's still inventing reasons to be near you.
KarmaSutra
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ER!C L!VE said:About once a week w/ a different girl
Brother Eric is speaking gospel truth.
theunflushables
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Not neccesairly, remember the time ElStud kissed a prostitute and didn't have sex with her? :crackup:DonJuan11 said:
MacAvoy
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I've done it many times and it never took away from the experience. It just wasn't a part of my game / aresenal. You can have passion without touching a girl on her lips. Are you telling me that a women's lips are her only passionate spot?
Man you guys are naive.
Man you guys are naive.
"You Can't Argue a Woman Into Liking You"
You made your case like a lawyer. Stable job. Good guy. Ready for something real. All true. All irrelevant.
She weighed your points, nodded along, felt nothing — then fell hard for some tattooed bartender with a motorcycle and a gambling problem.
Logic is where attraction goes to die. The "22 Rules" work a level deeper, on the subconscious switches that decide within minutes whether you register as a MAN or as part of the furniture.
Stop presenting evidence. Start flipping switches.