"The Kiss of Death Mistake"
You replay the conversation at 2 a.m. She texted back fast yesterday. Today, nothing. Was that smile friendly or flirty? What did the shoulder touch mean?
Every hour you spend decoding her signals drains your confidence and hands her the controls. Women can sense that insecurity from across the room — and it repels them.
One of the "22 Rules" kills the obsession on the spot: assume she likes you, and act accordingly. Sounds too simple. Works anyway.
Her interest tends to rise to meet your expectations. Psychologists call it a self-fulfilling prophecy.
Fun posting ridiculous OLD profile screenshots
- Thread starter Pierce Manhammer
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"You Can't Argue a Woman Into Liking You"
You made your case like a lawyer. Stable job. Good guy. Ready for something real. All true. All irrelevant.
She weighed your points, nodded along, felt nothing — then fell hard for some tattooed bartender with a motorcycle and a gambling problem.
Logic is where attraction goes to die. The "22 Rules" work a level deeper, on the subconscious switches that decide within minutes whether you register as a MAN or as part of the furniture.
Stop presenting evidence. Start flipping switches.
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Reading that made my eyes bleed.
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This guy is basically using the SS playbook. Go cheap on the first date, especially OLD since you don't know the if it will go anywhere. She probably expects the full dinner and drinks date, and the guy gets nothing in return, one date and that's it.
A first "date" is a meeting to see if she's worth it and lost cost and investment. If you click then I'll do a meal date, etc. Most suggest coffee or a drink for a first date so ice cream isn't unreasonable at all. Espeically if it's a touristy area like a boardwalk or something like I have down here.
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"She Wants a Man, Not a Boy"
You asked her if she wanted to grab coffee. Then you asked if the time worked. Then you asked if the place was okay. Then you asked if she'd prefer tea.
Four questions. Four chances for her to say no. Four signals that you're terrified of making a decision.
Plan it. Pick the place. Pick the time. Tell her where to meet you. She'll either show up or she won't.
Either way, you look like a man instead of a scared little boy.
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Anyone who spends $200 on a first date is stupid. Maybe $500 on up if it's a nice escort but $200 on a date lol.
I'm sure there is a lot of betas who make 150k a year who spend that on a first date though. First meeting should cost no more than $25 for a coffee, ice cream or a couple cheap drinks. The second meeting I can see spending $80 including tip. I would never go fancy unless in a relationship.
This creates free dinner date women and hurts the rest of us.
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Yes he did. Good job Big Goal!
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And those simps ruin it for all the other guys. A first meeting paying for a full meal and all goes against all the advice on SS.
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No, that wasn't me. That was a post that came across my twitter feed. I'm sure some idiot would be begging her to forgive him and would take her out to a nice steak dinner.
"Nervous Around Beautiful Women? There's a Rule for That"
I could talk to any woman I wasn't attracted to. Charming, funny, relaxed. Then a gorgeous woman looked my way and I'd become a sweating, babbling mess.
The fix took me years to find and ten minutes to learn. Nervousness and excitement are the same physical state — pounding heart, adrenaline, flushed face. Your brain just picks the label. And you can pick a better one.
Rule 16 shows you how. You feel the nerves, relabel them as excitement, and let that energy pour out as enthusiasm. Women notice the guy radiating it. They always do.
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Dust 2 Dust
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Ask her how much that one night will cost.
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This is the kind of person to take you on a 4 mile hike just to show you a dog turd.
**Whenever they say "she/her" under their name in their Tinder profile, it's a pro-woman statement. Beware of closet feminists.**
What I suspect is unsaid here is that this woman has the ability to find non-sexual activity to be "erotic". I could be wrong. This is a girl who has had her fun and is still reveling in it.
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I'm noticing this on the old sites too. This pronoun nonsense. Old having a more feminist approach.
Why is old on top of the paywall bs also becoming more woke??
"I just moved here from Florida."
That sentence contains at least five follow-up questions she WANTS you to ask. Where in Florida? What brought you here? How long have you been in the area? What do you miss? How does it compare to here?
She handed them to you on a silver platter. And you said, "Oh cool. I come here every week. I love this band. Ummm... pretty crowded tonight."
She smiled politely. Nodded. And never texted you back.
I was that guy for years. Talking too much. Listening too little. Panicking about my next sentence while she was literally feeding me the answers.
Then I found 22 rules that fixed the whole thing. Rule number one: shut up and listen. She'll tell you exactly what to say.
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The ones that *don't* have them listed, deserve extra credit imo
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Match Group is prob big enough to be affected by ESG scoring
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Yup your size does matter…Jesus
Murk
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Does this mean no Kumar's? I laughed so hard.
“The 22 Rules That Flip the Script With Women… And How You Can Use Them Tonight”
Most guys accidentally kill attraction before they even speak. They assume they need a bigger bank account, a better physique, or smoother lines. They miss the point.
Female desire operates on a specific set of psychological triggers. Break them, and you're invisible. Follow them, and you become magnetic.
I learned this the hard way. Years of freezing up. Getting friend-zoned. Watching other guys walk away with the girl I wanted. Then I discovered a set of 22 simple rules that rewired my entire approach.