"How I Made Sure No Woman Ever Friend-Zoned Me Again"
She calls you when her car breaks down. When she needs help moving. When some guy she's actually dating treats her badly.
You're the listener. The reliable one. The guy who would treat her so much better, if she'd just open her eyes.
She won't. You trained her to see you as the low-effort option — the friend who requires zero risk and zero investment. Every favor dug the hole deeper.
The "22 Rules" break the pattern. You'll stop auditioning for a role she already cast and become the man she chases instead. It starts with Rule 1.
Fun posting ridiculous OLD profile screenshots
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"Nervous Around Beautiful Women? There's a Rule for That"
I could talk to any woman I wasn't attracted to. Charming, funny, relaxed. Then a gorgeous woman looked my way and I'd become a sweating, babbling mess.
The fix took me years to find and ten minutes to learn. Nervousness and excitement are the same physical state — pounding heart, adrenaline, flushed face. Your brain just picks the label. And you can pick a better one.
Rule 16 shows you how. You feel the nerves, relabel them as excitement, and let that energy pour out as enthusiasm. Women notice the guy radiating it. They always do.
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Reading that made my eyes bleed.
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This guy is basically using the SS playbook. Go cheap on the first date, especially OLD since you don't know the if it will go anywhere. She probably expects the full dinner and drinks date, and the guy gets nothing in return, one date and that's it.
A first "date" is a meeting to see if she's worth it and lost cost and investment. If you click then I'll do a meal date, etc. Most suggest coffee or a drink for a first date so ice cream isn't unreasonable at all. Espeically if it's a touristy area like a boardwalk or something like I have down here.
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"Stop Asking Your Friends What to Text Her"
Your buddy Dave has been single for three years and thinks "hey u up" is a valid strategy. Your other buddy Mike just got dumped and told you to "just be yourself."
You showed them her text. You asked them to decode the emoji. You drafted four responses and sent the screenshot to the group chat for a vote.
She's been waiting forty minutes.
Put the phone down. Stop crowdsourcing your love life. Type something that sounds like you. Hit send. Then go do literally anything else with your evening.
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Anyone who spends $200 on a first date is stupid. Maybe $500 on up if it's a nice escort but $200 on a date lol.
I'm sure there is a lot of betas who make 150k a year who spend that on a first date though. First meeting should cost no more than $25 for a coffee, ice cream or a couple cheap drinks. The second meeting I can see spending $80 including tip. I would never go fancy unless in a relationship.
This creates free dinner date women and hurts the rest of us.
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Yes he did. Good job Big Goal!
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And those simps ruin it for all the other guys. A first meeting paying for a full meal and all goes against all the advice on SS.
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No, that wasn't me. That was a post that came across my twitter feed. I'm sure some idiot would be begging her to forgive him and would take her out to a nice steak dinner.
"I just moved here from Florida."
That sentence contains at least five follow-up questions she WANTS you to ask. Where in Florida? What brought you here? How long have you been in the area? What do you miss? How does it compare to here?
She handed them to you on a silver platter. And you said, "Oh cool. I come here every week. I love this band. Ummm... pretty crowded tonight."
She smiled politely. Nodded. And never texted you back.
I was that guy for years. Talking too much. Listening too little. Panicking about my next sentence while she was literally feeding me the answers.
Then I found 22 rules that fixed the whole thing. Rule number one: shut up and listen. She'll tell you exactly what to say.
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Dust 2 Dust
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Ask her how much that one night will cost.
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This is the kind of person to take you on a 4 mile hike just to show you a dog turd.
**Whenever they say "she/her" under their name in their Tinder profile, it's a pro-woman statement. Beware of closet feminists.**
What I suspect is unsaid here is that this woman has the ability to find non-sexual activity to be "erotic". I could be wrong. This is a girl who has had her fun and is still reveling in it.
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I'm noticing this on the old sites too. This pronoun nonsense. Old having a more feminist approach.
Why is old on top of the paywall bs also becoming more woke??
"The Coffee Shop Girl You Never Spoke To"
You've replayed it a hundred times. She stood three feet away, scrolling her phone. You had an opening. You composed the perfect line — after she was gone.
For all you know, she's married now. To some guy who said something. Anything.
Openers are cheap. Almost any sentence works when it's delivered within three seconds. The expensive part is the standing there, drafting and deleting, while the window quietly closes.
The "22 Rules" stripped out my hesitation. What to open with, how to keep it alive, and the one habit that costs guys more women than anything else: waiting for perfect.
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The ones that *don't* have them listed, deserve extra credit imo
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Match Group is prob big enough to be affected by ESG scoring
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Yup your size does matter…Jesus
Murk
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Does this mean no Kumar's? I laughed so hard.
"The Coffee Shop Girl You Never Spoke To"
You've replayed it a hundred times. She stood three feet away, scrolling her phone. You had an opening. You composed the perfect line — after she was gone.
For all you know, she's married now. To some guy who said something. Anything.
Openers are cheap. Almost any sentence works when it's delivered within three seconds. The expensive part is the standing there, drafting and deleting, while the window quietly closes.
The "22 Rules" stripped out my hesitation. What to open with, how to keep it alive, and the one habit that costs guys more women than anything else: waiting for perfect.