"So, What Do You Do for Fun?"
She asks it casually, mid-sip. And you feel the floor open up, because the honest answer is work, gym, and a couple shows you're half-watching.
Women rarely say this out loud, but a man with a life is attractive before he says a word. The guy who spent Saturday deep-sea fishing and came back with photos and a story — he walks in already interesting.
The "22 Rules" pushed me to build a life worth talking about. Turns out the fastest way to be interesting to women is to be interested in your own life first.
Fun posting ridiculous OLD profile screenshots
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"How I Made Sure No Woman Ever Friend-Zoned Me Again"
She calls you when her car breaks down. When she needs help moving. When some guy she's actually dating treats her badly.
You're the listener. The reliable one. The guy who would treat her so much better, if she'd just open her eyes.
She won't. You trained her to see you as the low-effort option — the friend who requires zero risk and zero investment. Every favor dug the hole deeper.
The "22 Rules" break the pattern. You'll stop auditioning for a role she already cast and become the man she chases instead. It starts with Rule 1.
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Reading that made my eyes bleed.
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This guy is basically using the SS playbook. Go cheap on the first date, especially OLD since you don't know the if it will go anywhere. She probably expects the full dinner and drinks date, and the guy gets nothing in return, one date and that's it.
A first "date" is a meeting to see if she's worth it and lost cost and investment. If you click then I'll do a meal date, etc. Most suggest coffee or a drink for a first date so ice cream isn't unreasonable at all. Espeically if it's a touristy area like a boardwalk or something like I have down here.
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"She's Out of Your League"
You've said it a hundred times. Maybe a thousand. And every time you say it, you train your brain to freeze the next time she walks into the room.
Leagues are a myth invented by guys who are scared of women.
She's a person. She has bad breath in the morning. She picks songs she can't sing in the shower. She overthinks her own texts.
Walk over. Say something. The league dissolves the second you open your mouth.
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Anyone who spends $200 on a first date is stupid. Maybe $500 on up if it's a nice escort but $200 on a date lol.
I'm sure there is a lot of betas who make 150k a year who spend that on a first date though. First meeting should cost no more than $25 for a coffee, ice cream or a couple cheap drinks. The second meeting I can see spending $80 including tip. I would never go fancy unless in a relationship.
This creates free dinner date women and hurts the rest of us.
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Yes he did. Good job Big Goal!
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And those simps ruin it for all the other guys. A first meeting paying for a full meal and all goes against all the advice on SS.
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No, that wasn't me. That was a post that came across my twitter feed. I'm sure some idiot would be begging her to forgive him and would take her out to a nice steak dinner.
"You Can't Argue a Woman Into Liking You"
You made your case like a lawyer. Stable job. Good guy. Ready for something real. All true. All irrelevant.
She weighed your points, nodded along, felt nothing — then fell hard for some tattooed bartender with a motorcycle and a gambling problem.
Logic is where attraction goes to die. The "22 Rules" work a level deeper, on the subconscious switches that decide within minutes whether you register as a MAN or as part of the furniture.
Stop presenting evidence. Start flipping switches.
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Dust 2 Dust
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Ask her how much that one night will cost.
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This is the kind of person to take you on a 4 mile hike just to show you a dog turd.
**Whenever they say "she/her" under their name in their Tinder profile, it's a pro-woman statement. Beware of closet feminists.**
What I suspect is unsaid here is that this woman has the ability to find non-sexual activity to be "erotic". I could be wrong. This is a girl who has had her fun and is still reveling in it.
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I'm noticing this on the old sites too. This pronoun nonsense. Old having a more feminist approach.
Why is old on top of the paywall bs also becoming more woke??
"She Wants a Man, Not a Boy"
You asked her if she wanted to grab coffee. Then you asked if the time worked. Then you asked if the place was okay. Then you asked if she'd prefer tea.
Four questions. Four chances for her to say no. Four signals that you're terrified of making a decision.
Plan it. Pick the place. Pick the time. Tell her where to meet you. She'll either show up or she won't.
Either way, you look like a man instead of a scared little boy.
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The ones that *don't* have them listed, deserve extra credit imo
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Match Group is prob big enough to be affected by ESG scoring
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Yup your size does matter…Jesus
Murk
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Does this mean no Kumar's? I laughed so hard.
"The Coffee Shop Girl You Never Spoke To"
You've replayed it a hundred times. She stood three feet away, scrolling her phone. You had an opening. You composed the perfect line — after she was gone.
For all you know, she's married now. To some guy who said something. Anything.
Openers are cheap. Almost any sentence works when it's delivered within three seconds. The expensive part is the standing there, drafting and deleting, while the window quietly closes.
The "22 Rules" stripped out my hesitation. What to open with, how to keep it alive, and the one habit that costs guys more women than anything else: waiting for perfect.