Pierce Manhammer
Moderator
That’s almost as good as the “sorry who is this? New phone.” Response.
You asked her if she wanted to grab coffee. Then you asked if the time worked. Then you asked if the place was okay. Then you asked if she'd prefer tea.
Four questions. Four chances for her to say no. Four signals that you're terrified of making a decision.
Plan it. Pick the place. Pick the time. Tell her where to meet you. She'll either show up or she won't.
Either way, you look like a man instead of a scared little boy.
Next Monday you'll feel more confident. After the gym you'll feel more confident. After one more drink you'll feel more confident. After you get a better haircut, a better jacket, a better job.
You've been "getting ready" for two years.
She's standing ten feet away right now. She'll be gone in four minutes. No amount of preparation will manufacture the courage that only comes from moving your feet.
Walk over. Stumble through the first sentence. Let it be clumsy. Let it be imperfect. You will feel more alive in those ten seconds than you have all month.
No it's not petty nor immature because each person has their own story. I'd say this is a very good move.This is good. And you kept her going for six months (at least). Nice!
I've used this variation twice; which I find just as satisfying.
Her: "blah blah blah."
Me: (If she has an iphone, I set my iphone to enable "read status") "This is embarrassing. I cleared some old phone contacts a while back, but it looks like we know each other. May I ask who this is?" This reply in itself is a slap to her ego.
Her: "It's _____ "
Me: No response.
I then set my phone back to "disable read status." The next time they send a text (even if I've read it) their message will appear as "delivered" rather than "read." You will have pleasure of knowing that she'll be revisiting her last message countless times to see if the status changes to "read"... or wondering if you were too busy to reply... or wondering if you somehow over looked her message.... or if you blocked her.
My above action might sound petty and immature to some, but the idea of investing 30 seconds and knowing that I'll be living in their head a *whole* lot longer is rewarding.
You paid for dinner. You drove. You said "whatever you want is fine" every single time. All the effort, no expectations.
And she left anyway — probably for a guy who makes her pick up the pizza.
Painful. Also predictable. Her mind quietly concludes that anything requiring zero effort from her is worth exactly zero. You became a free sample, and free samples get taken for granted.
The 22 Rules flip the dynamic. Small shifts that get her investing effort, money, and time in you — until SHE'S the one afraid of losing YOU.
This completely depends on the situation. When it comes to relationships with women, holding grudges is silly. You gain nothing from doing that except you expend energy on something that means nothing in the end. The relationship is over - move on and don't interact with them.How do you all feel about forgiving people versus holding grudges or just staying angry?
Obviously the easy answer is to say forgive.. however if someone insulted or did something bad to a loved one it's easier said than done.. Also if someone you were close with/trusted does something bad, you take it worse versus some bloke who means nothing to you.
Just want to see how you all draw the line and approach levels of disrespect in terms of forgiveness or continuing to hold resentment.
Forgiving someone doesn't mean to forget it happened. It does mean to let it go though.the idea that someone can wrong you and pretty much say,”Sorry,”, and you’re supposed to just let it go and forget it happened.
Not only do I not forget it - but I also will not forgive it. There are certain things you don't do. And it isn't so much I sit around and let it burn me forever. But this person will never be given a break by me after they have made that choice.I don't think you should ever forget it, even IF you chose to forgive (for yourself NOT for them). Nor do I think you should ever associate with them again.
Forget the cash, the cars, and the chiseled jawlines. Female desire operates on a completely different frequency. Primal. Subconscious. Triggers that bypass her logic and hit her on a gut level. Most guys are totally blind to them.
I know because I was one of them. The overthinking. The paralysis. The silent drive home kicking yourself for freezing up. Watching average guys walk away with the girl while you stood there stuck in your own head.
Then I decoded the psychology behind what actually makes women tick. 22 hard rules. Subtle behavioral shifts that rewired my entire reality. The anxiety evaporated. Women started leaning in. Investing. Chasing.
I would have agreed with you about 10 years ago. What I have come to find as I have gotten older is that some people simply don't deserve forgiveness or a break for their bad behavior. Sometimes, people need to reap what they sow - for good. I tend to give people the benefit of the doubt - but once they clearly show me they aren't deserving of my trust I would say it is done for. Especially in a professional setting.We could go round and round about this, but fair enough.
But to clarify, forgiving does not mean giving the person a break, they don't matter. Or shouldn't. They're irrelevant and shouldn't factor into why you forgive.
You forgive for YOU but I understand what you're saying @Barrister I truly do.
I just know for me, if I didn't choose to "forgive" all the people who have hurt me and wronged me in my life, I might be insane right now, consumed with bitterness.
So I rose above and let it go - forgave (for me).
I will never forget though, never ever and will never associate with them again.
Yeah,as a Catholic,that’s the part of my faith I struggle with the most.And true forgiveness connotes forgetting it happened,”...not just seven times,but seventy seven times.”Forgiving someone doesn't mean to forget it happened. It does mean to let it go though.
In Colossians 3, we're taught to 'forgive as the Lord forgave you.'
We've all gotta learn to let go of our nasty pride too. That's really the hardest thing. I know it is for me.I don’t know,I know I should,but I just feel like they’re getting away with it.
Forget the cash, the cars, and the chiseled jawlines. Female desire operates on a completely different frequency. Primal. Subconscious. Triggers that bypass her logic and hit her on a gut level. Most guys are totally blind to them.
I know because I was one of them. The overthinking. The paralysis. The silent drive home kicking yourself for freezing up. Watching average guys walk away with the girl while you stood there stuck in your own head.
Then I decoded the psychology behind what actually makes women tick. 22 hard rules. Subtle behavioral shifts that rewired my entire reality. The anxiety evaporated. Women started leaning in. Investing. Chasing.
You can, keep in mind that powerful attention can be directed elsewhere. Like making your money or having other success or even fun. Not necessary to have a grudge if you aren't gonna deal with them.I proudly hold grudges.
Grudges don’t require attention. It is simply saying that person is dead to me.You can, keep in mind that powerful attention can be directed elsewhere. Like making your money or having other success or even fun. Not necessary to have a grudge if you aren't gonna deal with them.
The only 'sincere' apology is the one you're given before sh!t hits the fan. Any apology you get is simply that person's desperate attempt to avoid facing any consequences for their actions.So I got to thinking more about this and I'm wondering if you'd feel the same if the person offered you a sincere apology?
Getting honest with myself, if I believed the person who wronged me was sincerely sorry and not just tossing me a bunch of BS
I mean, before they're called out on their poor behavior. Say a coworker disrespects you at work and you tell your boss about it. Your coworker will then come to you and apologize - but it's not a sincere apology. They're just apologizing because your boss told them to, or they're apologizing because they want to avoid punishment.What do you mean "before the shyt hits the fan"?
In any event, I would like to believe people have a conscience and would be sorry, but I suppose that's an idealistic way to think. Sadly I am learning this, that there are many people in this world that truly do not give a shyt.
You made your case like a lawyer. Stable job. Good guy. Ready for something real. All true. All irrelevant.
She weighed your points, nodded along, felt nothing — then fell hard for some tattooed bartender with a motorcycle and a gambling problem.
Logic is where attraction goes to die. The "22 Rules" work a level deeper, on the subconscious switches that decide within minutes whether you register as a MAN or as part of the furniture.
Stop presenting evidence. Start flipping switches.